about forgiveness i heard about forgiveness, but had no idea how it works. when you get to experience something like this and you get to feel all your rage and then realize that unless you find in it, you to work through it and the right way to get used to it in the end and get the same energy that can help you be happy in any needs to be channeled the right way, so that doesn't destroy you in situations when you're so full of it. and it's looking for a way out. what were the most scary, most terrifying things you got to experience them? made you angry? was the law? i was angry. what were the most scary things? i'm sorry for making you relive it. but what was the hardest thing to you? is hard to say now what was the hardest, probably the hardest thing was being unable to talk to my family for a long time. i had one call per month. they were hard times with the lawyers too, but not getting enough time or friends and family is the hardest thing that ever happened to me. he spent quite a lot of time in solitary confinement. is that right? yes. about 3 years. how is that even possible? what helped you get through that?

it was the hardest thing for me. i spend in solitary, only 4 months. you know, maria, i got my hands on a book once that had this interesting idea that the environment is actually neutral . and it's only up to us to view it in a very negative all very positive light. there is an english saying it's either tormentor or your mental is up to us to learn to say the environment is completely neutral for you, sir. how did you survive in the solitary bush? i'll tell you, no problem. but you know, they brought me to the cell and lock me up. you know, i do with or coach and i still remember the sound of that door knocking up. and then the ringing silence and the blinding fluorescent light. for example, in m. c. c, new york. so called 10 south ward, that only has 6 cells that they even the tiniest of window sealed. so that you can't see anything. it's much more than just sensory deprivation. that color, they paint everything inside the off white. i think they call it. i think we called it white nights in russian is pretty grey and they make it all bleak on purpose.

because do you know who created the u. s. prison systems, nazis delivered it to america as part of the operation paperclip. it was them who said, that's how you break people and make them do what you want, based on their experience. and when the door closed, boom, and then silence, i panicked, it was tough. so what now i thought them and the only way out was to say ok, what would change if i panic? am i going to bang my head on the door scream at the top of my voice trying to prove i'm innocent. this won't help. and we have something in our dna, our blood tradition. i don't know how, but just came to me. i just let my heart do what it wanted. i didn't crawl into bed . do you know how i started my every day? i laughed for the 1st 5 minutes after i woke up. first i was hysterical. he was so hard to make myself laugh under those circumstances and then i started to understand what was going on. first, it warms you up, then it works as hormonal stimulation, that just won't let you feel depressed for the rest of the day. and when you start each day with 5 minutes of laughter, laughing at yourself at the situation you are in,

you start to realize that life is again, is an old hindu and buddhist idea. when you treat it like that, it changes everything. and when you have visitors, you're smiling, you're laughing, and they hate to see that you don't pull your hair out, scratch your face are right on the walls with your own blood. you know how it is in prisons, you're polite, even though they sometimes keep the lights on in your cell or leave you hungry for a day and then the lieutenant comes to open your cell. can you imagine he's the only one with a key? gods cannot even give you food without him that he's busy. so you, staff and then at night they bring you all 3 meals shoving 3 dishes through that whole with their apologies. and i wish i could call that food again. it's from the nazi playbook. it's called calculated everything is done on purpose. they're maria, it's all by design. will food, did they get p, the menu? a standard at the b o. p. and it didn't change. can you imagine for almost 12 years i'd spent there. it stayed almost the same on wednesdays. we had hamburg, we fries burned to christmas on 1st 8 chicken, what you call it. bush legs,

giant unmatched chicken legs. absolutely. they smell like well, i won't say this on camera. i talked to prison managers and they didn't understand what was the matter. have you ever tasted it? i asked them, well, what's wrong with that food? they asked me in return. it's inedible, it's in human. i had to spend 2 years in, ty, prison, and despite it being horrible dirty and overcrowded, they allowed any food you can order that. my wife asked me what i wanted and had it delivered that to me while in the us, maria. just imagine what it feels like to never taste garlic in 10 years, or fennel, parsley, or strawberries, and it all adds up when i was in solitary confinement, i lost interest in food for a while. i began to rapidly lose weight. you lose appetite when you're treated like this. i had to force myself to eat. can you imagine? i knew i would have ended up malnourished. if i didn't, it almost lost a lot of weight. my muscles had been shrinking. why did you force yourself to eat? but though i realized i just had to do it otherwise terrible. what fool? sorry, what fool, what was your purpose? worry not desperate. i did not despair. you as i had to do it because in my mom i

need i could not come home and just faint in her doorstep of malnutrition, the same. here's what i told myself. if i'm sick a week or broken down is not going to help anyone. my monkey crying for the 1st couple of years. whenever i called her on the phone, we cannot even have a proper conversation. she would just start crying. so i realized that the only option was to be a man. you want yourself to be imitation. what work just be yourself. surprisingly, there were times when i didn't have enough time for everything really. i had my entire existence mapped out. i did this and that and read books. i took to languages. they were great textbooks and i was able to use my time for good purpose . but laddie gallano, i used to learn languages. teary. let's talk about your case. what did the u. s. won't from you? why did they said it a love? it's a challenging question. my thought a lot about it while the circus. that's what an ordinary person would think. the truth of the matter was that there was no substance to their accusations. is one thing if i ever involved in some schemes, but even the judge says,

i've not seen any evidence victim. he's normal business men, and many businessmen do the same, though is not done anything really illegal, but our conspiracy laws do not allow me to convict him of that. but sir, you had a legal business and you shipped good with the all the necessary documents right. with them, a flights would take off from europe in cities where the goods would have been checked by the police and the costumes and land in an african country where the local authorities would inspect the goods as well. is the same as trying to arrest all taxi drivers accusing them of giving lift to drug smugglers. while the patrick stands there was no reason. here is why maria, what happened to me is happening to our country right now. i was like a guinea pig in a lab that they wanted to use as a testing ground. back in 2016, the russian news in the common sat cited the u. s. department of state is saying that bout would serve his full sentence because he proved to be too stubborn and did not agree to a plea deal. his case would be a start warning to all other russians who again to capture so that they would

quickly agree to a plea deal before the court. what was the plea deal about the off at 30 years instead of a life sentence? 30 years 30 years asked what did he want from me? although i rejected it straight away, i was initially assigned a court appointed attorney, who is well known in the circles whenever she came to visit me. she was start to kind of shuffling her breasts, trying to establish some rapport, make you buy into this play dale. at some point i realized we had to replace the lawyer and we are ready to announce it to the court. so that woman brought an interpreter and in the hold room before the proceeding, she told me my wife ella asked me not to make that statement to the judge. and yet you say they're not just lying through their teeth than no lines. they won't cross . i know there is the great game. there were political games, and even i have respect for those agency, arrested me. you tried to tell me, fix a is nothing person was just business. i can understand. everyone has their klein type is tell what everyone has a cline, have their clients, but then you at least,

but that crossed all the lines, you know when and she told me, vick said, don't make any statements. they told me that they found a solution. they've reached an agreement, everything's going to be fine. like, don't find me an anal looks at me in court like what's going on. and i was like what? and then we found out that she was just, you know, manipulating me like that. and can you trust this system when even the lawyers who represent you stop working against you? you said what happened to you is what is happening till a country now? you fight the needs, right? of course, look, i've been under sanctions since 2000. so you are a trailblazer. yes they did it ultimate, they banned money transfer, shut down all my companies and tried to arrest me before that. i mean, i went through all of this and over the last 30 years for at least 22 years, i was under the functions, you know, so there's nothing new and what's happening to us now. and the undeclared war that they've started on may my family, you know, they went on and on with it slowly but surely. and finally, in 2014, they saw this spreading it to the whole country to all the russian people. in 2014,

as you correctly pointed out, sanctions were imposed. and now russia began special military operation. what is your take on that? like any russian to be honest, i couldn't understand why we didn't do it earlier. why in 2014, you know, take how cough people were protesting there. i saw it on c, n, n and fox news. people were carrying a huge russian flag chanting, russia, russia, russia, dumbasses, desa, you know, i understand, we weren't ready just yet. we weren't ready. well, i fully supported if there was way i would certainly and if i had the skills i would have joined as a volunteer. when there was a jury trial, you knew you were going to be convicted, didn't she? well yeah. oh, and i can't ask you how it was, but he probably knew that you were going to spend many, many years behind boss, or there was no such feeling. you know, was there help? you know, i thought there's no turning back. you know what i mean? the only way out to break out is to change. that was my work to do something i could work on within myself. i mean, i couldn't, for example,

you see i could have banged my head against the wall. i could have cracked my head opened or acted like a fool trying to exploit it. but i realized this is not who we are. we have to present something completely different. and i wanted to be who i was, who i felt i was, what was your relationship with the other prisoners like, 1st of all, who serves the time there? what nations races i don't know, is there any? the interesting thing is that my case stood out. so, so i was with the general public money for a very short period from october 2016 to january 2020. you know, i mean, i basically hadn't seen a real prison before that i was either in the 10 south in the mc c, which is considered as they say themselves, the 80 x on steroids, 80 x i. what fat 80 x dansville administrative maximum security in colorado. springs, what does it look lacking? bear you said in a cell all day. they take you out for a walk and you don't get to see other people. you never see anyone. you're allowed a phone call home once a month, once a month, right?

again, only the lieutenant has the key to open this hatch to serve you food. when they take you somewhere, they don't just handcuff you. they put you in leg irons, put a chain on you and then tied altogether. and there's a big red sign above yourself. 3 men hold, so when they take you somewhere, 3 people hold you like some rabbit dog. i used to jokingly say thanks for not using a color with a pole. you know that tell us about the short periods when you were in contact with other inmates. how did he treat ye? who wore they, in my case, they were mainly african american who were your fellow inmates of black, latino in my facility and marian, they were all kinds of inmates, but mainly african american. there were a lot of latino in may to fewer but still and there were very few caucasian men. i mean, white americans who even had some indigenous people there. but since the prison has a special status is mainly used for sex offenders or those who were transferred from other facilities because it wasn't safe to keep them there. i'm talking about those. you ratted out other inmates, you know, snitching on others is

a national sport in the u. s. is what everyone does. came up with a new name for their country. i told them they should change it to snitch a stan. everyone snitches on others, not only inmates, but also prison guards. they're all snitches all rats. i he talking about roof 35 spectrum, your friend and get your sentence ready? right? they all into it. how did he treat you? did they say your name correctly or did he get it wrong? at least the 1st, the often mispronounced it at 1st, but i carefully corrected them every time. and after a while they started saying it the right way boot instead of bout. was it a sign of respect? i wouldn't call it exactly a sign of respect. it's more of your habits. when someone mispronounced your name, you can't help wanting to point out their mistake in a polite manner. you don't push an offer while everyone in the facility said my name correctly. if i heard it mispronounced, i knew it was a new inmate, but you know, they kept correcting. whoever made that mistake, you may have noticed that after some time, even the c and and, and other media stop mispronouncing, my name is z. and man,

i assume you had the opportunity to watch the nice. yes, you undoubtedly an expert in africa and you can see to date, the confrontation between the east and west as returning to africa. can you give me your assessment of this situation? it's a very interesting situation, but i think this particular topic calls for a 2nd interview. i have lots of thoughts, remarks, and observations to share. i made sure to read everything of interest that i could have delivered to the prison. some very nice people help me with that and sent me books for free. can you imagine i had around 400 books in my cell at one time while i was only allowed to have 5 over 4, i know i know many people who were sending books to you. ah, your wife ala, started a campaign to collect big school. you little rights and i got the books, not any from russia, where i had some funds from other countries to total one person sent me 30024000 books all in all. can you imagine? now i understand why you say you didn't have time to read them all. was there

anything about african those books? there was so much information about everything. what is your vision? is there really going to be a new round of confrontation between the u. s. and russian africa, the weight was between the u. s. and the soviet union. i don't think there will be a confrontation between russia and the u. s. there. we see africa waking up today and trying to take the lead. we no longer offer them also follow it, no longer tell them what they should do were here just to listen to them now and try to help. it's clear that what's happening in the west is the suicide of civilization. and if we don't stop this suicide, at least outside of the west, in the territories and are not controlled by the anglo saxons, the entire planet will eventually commit suicide. you see, and i gather the same, is happening in all areas of life. is the spread of drugs, l g b t q plus you don't know the russian for that anti bt. each of them can you imagine that 1st year school kids in the u. s. a taught that they were 72 genders. were talking about 6 to 7 year olds here. not just gazes straight people, but 72 genders. it's in their school curriculums to educate small kids on this.

they tell that even if you're a boy, you can still be a go. just put on a dress. can you do that in prism to transition to enough gender? i mean, how about i give you an example. there was an inmate who was serving a life sentence for a quote, drupal homicide. 68 years old. teeth knocked out belly and he had tattoos all over the man murdered for people. can you imagine? before that he served in vietnam, a tough guy. then one day he shows up as a woman, he's got a hair clip over his remaining hair makeup on his face. and some permanent makeup lipstick abroad under his shirt. so i say to him, jeff, what's up with that? and he's like, don't call me jeff anymore from now on. my name is jessica also when i 1st saw him like that, i thought it was some kind of a prank. but that was just the beginning of one day. i go to the prison shop and then the list of available items. i see that we can now buy ladies panties, women's risk watches, all sorts of makeup lipstick. i shadows, can you imagine, and the gods there is this confused look on their faces. now, why does this happen?

the moment you jump on the bandwagon immediately, there's an entire community supporting you. they start sending you money calling you, you get visits. i mean, you know how it works in america, right. they put behind bars and 3 or 4 years later, you've got no family, no home and no friends. there were 1200 people in all prison and for about a 100 of them. their life depended on whenever they could get a job that pays peanuts is essentially slave labor. the for the did you work? yes, i did in the occupational health and safety office that i bought for different reason for that. and what did you there? no, it's a small department and it deals with labor safety that includes handing out various protected equipment and disinfectants, making sure everything has proper paperwork, doing all sorts of checks, fire extinguisher inspections, et cetera. i like the job because there was a separate office with all kinds of documents. so you could read a lot and figure out how everything works. this was truly a unique experience. what about the pay was about $40.00 a month, but to me, the important part was that i could work several hours a day. it was

a fascinating job, very educational. in a way to me it was an opportunity to see the entire prison once a month you had to go through the whole facility, including restricted areas and inspect all the fire extinguishes. for example, i like that a lot. were there any accidents? well, this wasn't your standard prison. there were hardly any fights, and the ones that did happen were a way to check in as they call it, to get to a special housing unit. have you ever been in solitary confinement? thankfully, no. somehow i was always able to anticipate the situation and avoid it. although on occasion i did get punished for making my mushroom take, for example, they took away my leisure time and my phone calls for 45 days. the call that receiving a shop right? yes, in fact, his whole prison terminology is fascinating to me. you know, i had a black friend who used to serve in the army one day in a conversation. he told me that the whole prison slang tradition goes back to elementary school. he used the same turns shakedown, locked down, short call,

et cetera. i couldn't believe it at 1st. well sir, he told me that american schools prisons and the military all have hamburgers, chicken, et cetera, served on the same days. curious, isn't it? i'm believable. you will take the locker system as they call it, americans all have their small lockers. so you put your things inside to make sure you lock it with your tiny cake. at that one, at the charges against you, that the american media lots to bring up even today are your alleged ties with italy by? were there any? no, no ties whatsoever. in fact, when our guys made their escape from kandahar a heroic escape, they were brilliant. those guys have been my role models ever since. as for the taliban, they put a boundary on my head after that's how can any one claim that i had ties with the taliban? that's just ridiculous. and yet the american media keeps talking about he having some connections and shipping weapons for toppling regimes and finding terrorists as if the usa doesn't ship weapons any way to topple regimes. they went as far as accusing me of supplying 200 to 90. thanks to the taliban shipping,

200 tanks takes 200 cargo planes flying through afghanistan's air space. so whereas any proof of that is clearly the case of just trumping up some charges and in throwing it under the carpet, the american made it no longer has any regard for its own audience. you see, i grew up in the soviet union and i'm proud of it. and that's because i know that even the hard core, soviet propagandist knew that they can't go too far, that they have to tell people the truth. although they can leave some things out. do you think they went too far in your taste? but nasa, imagine that's a my ward out of 35 inmates. not a single one believes what they say on the scene and another channels. not on the subject to the crane or the presidential election. everyone knows it's all been rigdon fake and not buying it. even in prisons. though. prisons in retirement. i'm so the main audience foreseeing. and because if you look at all the ads they run on scene and all day, they're all about diapers and catheters, assisted living facilities, home care. and it's very clear who that audience all that i just must aski by

dinner trump, which one was like, i'd say, no, i don't. russia has only 2 reliable friends and allies, the russian army and the russian navy. what's what sir taken by g in general. and by his policies versus prompts, are they just the same or is there some real struggle with you see, as i always said, i'll give you an example as the diet pepsi cola and the coke 0. i was the difference. none at all for russia. any move and that about sums it up. we need to stop worrying and hole in russia about who said what we pay too much attention to the american politicians. guys, we need to focus on our internal affairs and we have to report on america. we need to report on its real problems such as drug abuse, this such a huge amount of drug circulating and prisons, especially the cannabis oil light k 2. and they smuggled the name. while this drug is not detectable, it doesn't come up on any test. what they do is they use something to light it up a battery or wire. they inhale the smoking, it knocks them out for 15 minutes. so they just pass out or phrase or start

screaming like i've never heard before in my life screaming for help like someone is killing them. and when it stops working this shaking all over and saying, oh goddess i waffle, i can't do this any more. and then they get high again, 50 minutes later, you see, and that's in prison. so what people can do have free look at what's going on. now in san francisco, chicago or new york city, the crime is on the rise. and when i tell people that in russia, one can be safe in any part of the city or town, unless you start to trouble yourself, they find it unbelievable. it was that theory, the lucian in the usa says a 40, i don't think there will be a revolution over the past 30 years. they've managed, say, well, to, you know, even this drug epidemic in the country is part of a big plan. you know, why? because as soon as the young generation gets on drugs, they will never make a revolution. no, it won't be on their mind. while fat people don't protest, no, not that they just become zombies. and even hollywood as the propaganda mouthpiece of washington d. c. when it mass produces movies about zombies and mad max of so on,

it is programming the future. they show you pretty pictures and he just settles down your brains, neurolinguistic programming works. and you see the american nation is perhaps even to a large extent, the victim of its own regime than any other nation. and the most worrisome thing is what's going on in the recent years. just look at what they've done to those who took part in the so called capital attack. they've imprisoned from 12021300 people just like that. and for what they just those people didn't kill anybody. and he threw a few punches before they didn't said anything on fire. just run the bish cack, they burned down their parliament several times over and nobody's gotten to prison there. but in the u. s. solely arrests ones will be charged with 15 to 20 years. minimum, have you seen a lot of wall move? i have come. do you think your holly that's victim does that? you know, during the hearings the judge as one of the agents who arrested me. what did you know about victor boots? and he said, i've watched the movie and read the book about him. and then she also, do you have russian translators on your team?

no, we only had spanish translators. that was enough that the level of preparation, but that's not the most amusing thing. my mother who visited me at the m. c. c. was late to remove from the list under the pretext she was not my mother. how come miles? well, we have a report here that says your parents are the am of oars. come again, i'm a voice. oh, right. that's from the lord of wall. you mean by ticket? from the movie in my prison garcia, my parents still quoted as a, from the lord of wall. that's how professional the agents who carried out the investigation were, who all had the evidence in you the truth. what are you planning to do next? what do you want now? you know, for now i'm just enjoying being home with my loved ones. family. hi. i'm enjoying the snow in the air, freedom in the us. now life is like racism in reverse. to be a normal white man who wants love a family, kids is not easy there. and is that, oh you will hear what that's what i want every victor. i wish you to recover and your family will certainly happy with that. but of course, there's certain issues i must address,

but overall i'm extremely happy. i'm feeling well even though i needs medical attention. i need dentists help, for example. i missing 6 teeth. the only ripped them out there, even if there is any a small hole. we had a really good dr sometime, but she was fired quickly for treating teeth instead of pulling them out. speaking of greiner, had he heard there was an exchange on the table? have you heard anything about her? i heard rumors and when the news of her rest came in a cell mate, my companion in misery trap me on the back saying that's my ticket to freedom by. he didn't know anything about her otherwise all. i knew she was a basketball player. i read something in the rosy sky gazette. did you have a feeling? the exchange was about to happen? again, my life and this experience taught me not to expect anything. when you don't have expectations, every happy occurrence is a gift. and when your expectations don't come true, you failed. pardon my french disappointed. yes, disappointed. and that's not fun. so i decided for myself to get rid of expectations to live in the moment and tough it out with

a counselor. did they treat you badly during the relief? it is an amazing story. when the u. s. marshal came, he was very considerate. true, they put me in handcuffs in a car and i had to sit with the hands behind my back. but they told me to wait a bit and promised they would recall me. 50 minutes later they re cuffed me so that my hands would be in the front and we started talking. i asked them if i could go to the bathroom. sure. they told me his water. if you're thirsty, we waited for the flight from maryland to dallas airport in d. c. we got on the flight. we landed at dallas that they put me in a room where they lock up criminals, but they did not lock me. they just put me on a chair and the agent sat down and started reading because he didn't address me by my 1st name, victor. before my release, they did not give me my belongings. the same as with the irish anchor. although the marshal told me to bring everything along, oversee the prison official, got a different order, so i left everything behind including the photos. and we're now trying to get my things from them. but i had some newspapers with me and my favorite magazine, regina, or homeland. i read a to the got,

it helps me spend those 3 hours in the calm way up and they said they were very polite, mr. walker. moreover, when we got to the gulf stream plane and they told me everything, the asian uncover me, the agent was sitting close and that's it. the fetish shows ye walking really close to breaking, greiner did you exchange a few words with her? i wish her luck and she even extended a hand to me despite everything our tradition is to wish everyone good luck and happiness. but she respond. sorry, did she say anything back? yes, i could feel her positive attitude. is it true that he capitan's portrait in your sal? absolutely, it was there all the time. why, why not? i'm proud that underbrush and citizen and put in is our president. and when they challenge me, exciting some stuff like that alleged palace that novalis showed in his video, i just told those people, you simply do not know who put in is one my personal trust when his process is in 2001 began to materialize. step by step, that's true for every statement he's made and history is our best guide. who gets

the credit for your relief? i guess it's every one. very fitting heresy. all of russia, all those who supported me, those who love me though she sent me letters. i'd received so many letters from across the country. these were letters from complete strangers from my old classmates, even from germany. they uh, rates hang on and stay strong. they sent me postcards, some were complete strangers. i got letters from ukraine whenever i had a chance to reply. i did. in any case, i would like to thank those who sent me letters. i got so many letters from russians who live in the u. s. some people from canada bought books for me and offered any other assistance. i'm proud that i am russian deep down in my heart. i know we will prevail and everything will be fine. we have been waiting for he for so long. i would like to thank our audience, i am sure there will be many more interviews about politics like it, most importantly, wish the booth family. to get back to norma, i am positive that with so much energy and won't take long. thank he.

oh, then no money in my land money with my ya

with those are for the all new business and you will clean a b e w that was chosen. yeah, americans, a new just got to really just touching up critical to now ceiling for when you was just touching. sure. in was names of the different student info, which of course, you know, you use your own the with them the problem. you're still more with choice, you the rules you're here is i want to check your history as as you talk to you as we are both in the study skills doesn't that was the cleaning for choice for me to on, on all kinds of to that which you which no longer interested in useful, not political push to to stream remote because or least new or your course load useful. of course,

i don't know who you got to know for the don't know a subpoena for losses come up with a with . mm welcome to wells, a part of the conflict in ukraine has manifested any security at paradox in europe . many in the west contend until russia is fully democratic, whatever that means. ukraine will need western security guarantees and it's active military support for 8.