to him, which is why a lot of the rhetoric has been very, very well a scholar aggressive so and russia will be defeated on the battlefield as forest. johnson said, you know, dad, peace will not be accepted. and so essentially nothing short of it will victory. would be acceptable. some even talked about taking back crimea and you know, so it was very extreme. but now of course we see the winds have changed. to some extent the army has suffered vary greatly on the battlefield. now, much of the manpower and the equipment has been exhausted and to be with them to supply them is also reduced significantly as weapon store just across the west on being depleted. also, the economic impact on this is causing much concern, especially in europe. as a result of the political will and to continue this war and also declining. so. so there's a possibility that the, and this more willingness now to negotiate. indeed this is what we've seen in the

rhetoric. however, and without this however, it's worth noting that the only a few weeks ago you have the newspapers like the washington post, arguing that they because the public's becoming more war, where it's important to give the image we are trying to negotiate a piece. so it's never really clear because no more you have such a huge amount of folks on information warfare. so it is quite possible that this is simply, you know, to give an image that we're not preparing yet the most or both can be true at the same time. also. okay. that's true because the west is not one uniform voice even within each country. there are competing voices, even in the united states in washington. some want a quick end to this. now, before the wind now start to blow in moscow direction or, you know, must go start to have great victories while others see this us, you know, an opportunity to lead russia long, you know, demon,

it's very interesting that i couldn't talk. so i'm quite a frequently with media and public organizations about what's going on in ukraine. and he may, he made it clear that it could be, this could be a long effort. he's not hiding the fact. ok, but at the same time saying everything is on course. i think one of the things that the, that makes it very difficult to conceptualize this conflict is that the 2 different sides have very different goals. rush, his goal is to demilitarized ukraine. that's very different than victory or regime chain. it's d militarization and that is as glenn is already explained to us, that's happening at a pace to do the the kremlin seems to be comfortable with. so the difference because there's different perception we going to do on this and different perceptions here is in this adds to the guy, you know, what ending this conflict that would be, go ahead. oh,

the west likes to talk about russia not feeling well. it's class, it's all this. they say that there are special media generational stars every $24.00 course which did not foresee that there would be the better. or there would be this long, protracted by it may be. the question is, what does the west, i mean it's a even less clear about it. just take there last week. how many contradictory messages are and they're not quite sure that the west is not speaking with one voice. there is a very bad voice that dominates, let me give you an example. present marker on just said that russia, security concerns should be conceded as the negotiations that we will have at some point when you grade. well, basically can speak to positional force and you know, so people wish out does macros and no one defend it. well,

it's clear that rock road the super creek. he speaks with many voices. today he says that you want to poke, would you? tomorrow she calls russian you with buyer. so basically it, sir, he's not serious. so are look like are used to think he's a peacemaker. yeah, but i mean, it's, you know, at this point here. sorry, but why would someone like. 6 your prudent take mc groans, telephone call. what look, could he possibly say, i mean, well, because, because the point is, let me go to glen here because it's, it's washington that matter. it's not berlin, it's not paris, it's not london, it's washington. ok, and i want to talk about the interview with week mid. merkel gave to the media. that'll back up my thesis here. so i mean, you know, glenn, who, why should anybody in the kremlin pick up the phone? i mean, what, what are these people who same and what have they said for the last 10 months that would be meaningful? well, i guess we can draw experience from in december and january. and those claims that

moscow didn't really care much what the you had to say didn't really care what the secretary general install. murray had to say the main on called on worth taking was the one from washington because that end of the day, that's where the decisions will be made. so. so much on this. well, he often placed there all of the great, great leader and capable of doing this, you know, hitch go. but he sent all of this for many years and david defined in a rush as part of europe. you know, it has to be included in this for 30 years now. so i wouldn't, i think when it really came down to it and russia ask, okay, the symptoms converting into actual security guarantee for us. nothing ever came from across. so, and it's again, it's not saying it's just,

it's only we also hinder towards the doesn't have the support from the americans, not necessarily from the rest of their p and either so then from france, isn't that powerful? they can't swing into whole west. they don't, they don't speak for europe, so it is, it's a positive sign, at least we're talking about how to negotiate because for so long negotiations was a multi word one shouldn't say was the current on the appeasement. so in the fact that, you know, you have people like you on the us side, which is mark mystic general amelia who was suggested now is the time to negotiate . i don't think we can get more out of this war than the older have and, and also, and of course you installed the costs, i think, to a large extent, he speaks on behalf of washington as well. and he also had a very aggressive rhetoric suggesting the only accepted piece was full victory on the, on the, on the nato ukraine inside the now course is arguing that the diplomacy has to be

the less, i'm glad you brought it up because i have a quote from him and throw it to deem right now, this is still been burned in the last new cycle here, but we have to but we have to pay a much higher price if our freedom in peace are threatened through pollutant winning in ukraine. again, this is that this is a symmetrical here. what is he talking about? freedom in peace. rush is talking about security in that's when that's what these negotiation should be about or deed huh. we can just go back to that december 17th of last year as a starting point. ok, we didn't have to go through all of this. if, if what nato in washington had taken russia's security demands seriously deem, well, we do miles mill warwell, you know, these freedom with slavery. and as dawn rolling job greece and paid for the guy who re usable. so basically,

it's all absurd. and you know, some end of this phone call you saying that he's in good shape and their friends are hope to do your grades. he was a pro fee of a kid. basically what i want to say is that this was the males in the west. is it always just to remind you it's prevailed in january? russia made the suggestions and what, and what from the west or just for the office like we are a peaceful defense alliance. we have no reason to worry. yes, we've had reasons bar watching the same story with the other, you know, suggestions or recourse asians just recently. there were signals from the, from the united states that they were not quite happy with, you know, they were not happy with the model. and then today, or, you know, the last week we actually get messages from the science and political, quote,

american officials, people say, in the united states, good reason why it's great to strike at the targets jeep and cyber using goals so that you will, what is all was the last day or is that and the was, it was the what was it was immediately this is a very dangerous situation. was, will know where it will still be me. when would makes dangerous? is that if, if it's going to be a, a test of escalation, russia can out escalate nato 6 ways to sunday. i mean, it's not, it can't work. okay. and that when that, that is the dilemma when what nato is doing is it has a political agenda and it has a military one and they're not necessarily aligned go ahead gland well in, i would osa, part of the reason that the mind, nato and russia is

a fundamental difference view in terms of what creates security. so for nato, they tend to subscribe to the concept of liberal hedge money in which you know, the world is divided between democracy and authoritarians. in other words, good between good and evil. so the more power decided, good huss, that is scenario with me is a russia, the more peace you will have, which is why, you know, the, the cost race is always all we need to negotiate from position of strength. in other words, dictate because this is hybrid piece, where the good guys have all the power. and now this is very different from how it rushes he's to world, which focuses more on the secure, to the level that you have competing centers of power. and they have to find ways of harmonizing their security interest. obviously, if you think there was divided between good and evil, then harmonizing. we're finding a common piece with russia. it's very well that us when we used to word appeasement . because any time even there antithetical you can't do that. okay, i mean it, it is a perfect perversion of its own logic. if i gentlemen,

i'm gonna jump in here, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break will continue our discussion on some real estate with article ah ah, a deal law exposure to real, real honest with project with

school a little money and done love to your school with a woman with i'm willing it a so booty toya know cranium, g doin soon enough id. she ship duck lean that ship with control. you put you on board, so we ship, she'll go. diddy. tgm awarded aleki system rarely premium. did not sing

the anthem lucy, leah with a chance. actually it's streams of dark room dish with buffalo and then oh, crazed, he's not to where you store lot of the my subway, but just dory. yes or no, it's i live ship elise, get us, but we ship them. so yes, a gift or should look like, you know what of them. i need a new plane schools for that for a while. i'm on the each the over the course and you can actually reach who couldn't. she'll not to let you to go to work. it doesn't feel good to break global. i'm saying years about how she took on a job. these to broadview enough room for a few quick to take a picture, go double play. you have to go so good on that.

oh, need to come to the russian state. little narrative. i've started as i'm phoning northland stevenson. i'm not getting all sunset for a week within the 55 when. okay, so i need to bargain speeding when else calls with will ban in the european union, the kremlin community up machine. the state aren't russia today and spoke ortiz spoke neck, given our video agency, roughly all band on youtube with, with

welcome back across stock. were all things are considered on peter bell? this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, let's go back to the la here in moscow. deem of the anglo merkel gave a very curious interview on the last couple of days. and i think it can be interpreted in a number of different ways in which obviously she was criticized by basically um, pulling the bail back and saying that mid the mens process was was really about real. and it was buying time for ukraine and for nato to build up ukraine's a defensive and offensive capacities. here. i'm not really sure. i, i necessarily believe her rendition app. post factors like this because i think

she's trying to justify her policy, but essentially failed. but if you look at it from the russian side, well then obviously these people were not serious. the germans weren't serious. the french weren't serious. and why would they be serious now if they want negotiations, i think merkel really damaged any kind of the glimmer of hope that there could be talks in the immediate future. go ahead neighbor. well, it was, it was a mystery for me. why? and we rush. it's 10 to, excuse america. i mean, there's this miss in russia. that's how she was cool. it actually was just pretended to be bad. not just fast. okay. look at doing if you don't believe newspapers, you know, merkel needs got what each in, but in builds yada what we used to the right. absolutely. right to. oh,

the sign in all day sensation agreement with that with the european you get that. what does the roller say we expect the more we expected more. and then there you stop in which $38.00 policemen were killed and hundreds made. they want to watch and from medical should watch it, you know, i think was down there. and then, you know, they bring a government down, all the people voted for young and wanted to defend their own in the east of the target. but he's down the road basically what, what is the east? so she, she approves the military action. all the korean government that they get defeated their retreating and then she start. yes, my entire game actually started because they didn't see the new terror. she just said the defeat, but they could get your boss and you have for 8 years after that because they

didn't retain far enough. so i think the reason why so many people in the world that you see, because you gave my theory is that the president has to be, she has you follow some people, you know, but that doesn't mean our breast site should, should be as the format because he's, he was safe, peace, wake up, save the crew. she was why she was a very was kind of what she bears enormous responsibility or the crash or the relationship with the russian group in the last 16 years is absolutely agree with you completely, glenn. but this brings up this credibility issue here. i mean, i mean, like to once, why wouldn't your in to lock it your line to again, i mean, we don't even have a basic playing field right now to even start starting talks to start talks. if you

know what i mean, that was, and it's an amazing revelation. i'm coming from england merkel. like i said, i think she could be playing a monday morning, co quarterback, now. ok. and then that i think there is an element of that there. but for, for the russians, the element of trust is about 0 right now. that's why i am sent on this program repeatedly. this conflict will come to an end when russia says it's over. ok, and it achieves it's goal because it's not going to get a cheap those goals to negotiation is going to get those goals. those goals unilaterally, through the use of course, let water in the mar, referring to is, is huge, lack of trust, which is necessary to have that trust if you're going to have an actual negotiation and a compromise in a political settlement. obviously, the mutual trust is quite broken on both sides, so for when they look across and especially after the invasion of the annexation of this new for region start. this was a huge bridge. of course,

russia christmas arguing is, has his own reasons to be doubtful. i mean, why, why, why would they trust this now? and it's worth going back, how far agreements have been broken? because one would design something. now the reason why, from russia's perspective, this war now is because there was never honored to minsk agreement to somebody hosted for 7 years. this is not just on medical or sample is largely accepted. also, the american side has been attached and know the reason had them in sc agreement. this may cause a war broke out why didn't work out because after that was the government's helps to support this regime change in jim. and in fact, if you remember during the regime change, we have the there was also an agreement was supposed to be unit to government to germans. being one of the guarantee guarantors for having you to government, which and then abandon the following day, instead gave all the legitimacy the could to the new government to power into school. and then again,

if you can go so far back to it because it always since the end of the cold war is just been broken agreements that one after another. keep in mind that in, you know, in $1090.00, we signed agreements and $94.00 that we're going to have a common europe without dividing less. then we broke it by expanding nato and, and then even the ears signed the agreements with russia in 2005 saying this, and we're not going to if we're going to engage with common age group countries like ukraine, we're going to harmonize. it's not one x, one not want to integrate at the expense of the other. well, obviously you broke that that's why wind up in the mind on the schools has just been is one break a breach agreement after another. so, and the problem is, is there a difficult place to where sit here in the west? nobody is willing to put themselves into shoes of russia to understand how kind of we, we with the trade all the agreements we have with them a year after. because then you become a put in a rush apologist overnight and lush the council. so that is

a very difficult at the ability to see it from the other side is very much diminished, which means this call in a foundation for trust. there's no recognition of mutual interest, and if there is no recognition of mutual interest, you tend to fall into this narrative, some good versus evil. and again, there's no, there's no foundation for compromise or trust them. you know, it's very interesting. i really like how glen does phrased it there, because the, what i call the global majority, we play the global south and it's really are the global majority. they actually do not see it the way the west does. they actually are far more sympathetic to russia's interpretation and dealing with the west, because the global south has had issues dealing with the west over the centuries. so there's a lot more sympathy there on the, on the part of the global south when it comes to russia's interpretation to this conflict. where is the western press to stay all who did achieved the

opposite result in sweden and finland wanted to join nato. and the name to unite that more than ever. well, there was also another result for direction. and now china wants to buy oil from saudi arabia for chinese. see ok. now india wants to buy well pro ration right now. everyone talking about the way from the goal asked the universe, so exchange cards, which is a huge threat for the night states. russia didn't want the child. that was, it was the stage, the product itself by this world. because everyone in the east didn't get okay. they basically grows 300000000000 russian money. they can do it tomorrow, the last they can do it the primary, you know, if they don't like or well enough, they can, you is already threatening him with all cutting off of all kinds so that they don't

sell the whole story. as you know, there are many other men is absolutely right. there was a breach on their side. they have their own narrative. they say, oh rush, you know, respect the chocolate europe, which we basically find with more biofuel bank. it's, i'm sorry, it was at least for think you can all this job europe, it was like something are in the gauge. mobile. honda go ok, you know, we're all for you and i had the problem was how do we get that? so they, they have their own narrative, beach and agreements, and it is very well developed. it is to grew up. the problem is that if the west continues to rehabilitate the s as in, i guess the last week if they continue to resubmit it. if you're kind of excusing them for any kind of orbit they can, and the grade math was there will be no negotiation. oh, i remember how all present and 15 per polo. you know,

when he was in power and the and boy was very directional. ready. he made their courageous, she came for also, and there was a crowd standing next to there. i think. what is your story just delivered a loud yet in full time for star on you. here it's pulling here. it's not russia. you want to kill them by the next. the next, the move of some of the people interested you or they don't want to go. she sure. and if you want to be in your home, when you wish they position, you are never one or one to have permanent will the exactly, glen because that and these people that do not want to have negotiations, defacto, do not want to have a, any kind of mutual agreed upon security arrangement in europe. that is that, that is them the worst possible outcome. i mean it, if it's all, if it's all or nothing my way or the highway, then we're not going to see the security in europe. no,

then this is all the, the main problem we have, but they are being, are quite divided on this issue though. i mean, i mentioned, you know natal so united. no, but i think that was initially because of the shock m concerned and, you know, taken by surprise. s. russia and they did, but i think the longer this goes on you're going to. so you're going to see more, more, more divisions also within, within europe. but of course, this dimensions are, can, can also them obstructs any and peaceful negotiations. but again, i think at the end of day there was a european, eastern europeans things. i don't think it matters this much. what, what washing wants. i it, it is quite possible that a compromise can be reached. i mean, i even saw it on me spilling. perhaps, after, you know, russia with, at some point even be willing to negotiate, you know, giving updates. well,

it's called newly acquired territories on the western bank on the river. i mean, it started the western bank on that, but it's not good. but again, it's not certain. and again, i mean, the main challenge for russia now is what, what in the peace agreement look like? because he would have to, like the americans wouldn't, wouldn't allow for, for example, recognizing any in your corner territory. but for russia, it would be the final piece because i suggested if, if they don't get any guarantees, that is this piece agreement will just be a temporary cease fire. you know, i think we ought to recognize a big topic for a future. addition of that, i guess the time we have that i want to thank my guest are slow and here in moscow, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are the scene next time, remember? ah, ah.

a money a money. it gets me a my money in my name with it.

does these are the fee i don't to sweden eve. oh god, most nice mission funder also for that are shown on please be fun. claudia, put a maintenance issue in this means when you get, when you come to live with our teacher, you should teach to go get a new owner of sheila deal is get a minute. looks that imo, to remind you those on board with our mission is to get a minute. those new william we stole grease ga. gov to other, but i should. characters should thank teachers until we have a wooden bab and also bushing dick tier 2 doors on to assist. t says i'm so lazy.

finish in the fan to the so long as all you could do a dead sandra had his bills and so by it i don't know, will police, let me look on east ones when i spawns and dawson with ah, this was, i have a question for american partners tell us which legal act you and christina respect, named at least one therapy as leader islam being self declared republic of kosovo and its western backers over a border escalation with special forces, reportedly deployed on both sides. also ahead in the program. these rocket systems, the backbone of the russian artillery here, every crew, like this one daily gets a list of target dozens of crude they're operating here every day on our tea crew reports. busy from a flash point area and that done by.