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ah hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on people about what is the possibility of a negotiated end of the conflict in ukraine? there are some indications. nato has shifted its position from total victory on the battlefield to the need of negotiations. at this point, this is unclear. the biggest barrier of course, is the lack of trust, ah, politics in the 4th industrial revolution. and here in moscow, we have dmitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor, and he knows me internet media project. originally across stock rolls and back, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, so with glen in oslo. glenn, you know, with the overly last week couple of weeks here with getting a lot of mixed signals out of nato to the point it seems to me looking at their

discourse, is that it's turning into a modicum of panic. um, worrying about escalation and the them were the need for negotiation on the rhetoric that ukraine is, winning seems to be fading away. so read the tea leaves for me. what do you, where we are, where are we right now? go ahead. well, in any conflict it's, it's not easy, but it's possible to foresee when each party will be inclined towards negotiating. so for example, when both sides believe they can win this little chance of negotiation. obviously, nano has been quite optimistic that they could, that they could win, which is why a lot of the rhetoric has been very, very wallace aggressive. so russia will be defeated on the battlefield as forest. johnson said, you know, bad piece will not be accepted there. so essentially, nothing short of

a full victory would be acceptable. some even talked about it taking back crimea and you know, so it was very extreme. but now of course, we said that when some change to some extent done that the great an army a suffered vary greatly on the battlefield. now, much of the manpower and the equipment has been exhausted. the ability to supply them is also reduced significantly. ready the weapon store just across to west are being depleted. also the economic impact on this is causing much concern, especially in europe. and as a result, you'll see the political will and to continue this war, also declining. so, so there is a possibility to and that this more willingness now to negotiate. and this is what we've seen in the rhetoric. however, and i would add this, however, it's worth noting that only a few weeks ago you have the newspapers like the washington post, arguing that because the public's becoming more war, where it's important to give the image that we are trying to push it

a piece. so it's never really clear because and then no more, you have such a huge amount to focus on information warfare. so it is quite possible that this is simply, you know, to give an image stuff. you know, we're not preparing yet. or i both can be true at the same time. also. ok, that is true because the west is not one uniform voice even within each country. there are like competing voices, even in the united states in washington. some want to come to this now, before the wind now start to, you know, blowing most of those direction or muscles to great victories while others see this us, you know, an opportunity to bleed russia in the long run, you know, deem it very interesting. uh, who talks about quite a frequently with media and public organizations about what's going on in ukraine. and he may, he made it clear that it could be, this could be a long effort. he's not hiding the fact. ok, but at the same time you saying everything is on course,

i think one of the things that the, that makes it very difficult to conceptualize this conflict is that the 2 different sides have very different goals. rush, his goal is to demilitarized ukraine. that's very different than victory or regime change. it's the militarization and that is, as glenn is already explained to us, that's happening and pasted the, the kremlin seems to be comfortable with. so the difference there, because there's different perception we go to from different perceptions here, is in this add to the guy, you know, what ending this conflict that would be, go ahead. what was the last likes to talk about russia? it's class, it's all this. they say that there are special meter ration will start once every $24.00 course would. you did not foresee that there would be the battle,

or there would be this long. protracted may be the question is, what does the west work? i mean, it's a even less clear about it. just take their last week how many contradictory messages, and they're not quite sure that the west is not speaking with one voice. there is a very bad voice that dominates. let me give you an example. present marker on just said that russia, security concerns should be considered as the negotiations that we will have at some point when you grade. well, basically it can be chrome, the positional force. and you know, so many people washed out at mach rules, and no one defended. well, it's clear that walk around the hypocrite. he speaks with man, your voice us today. he says that you watch or would you, tomorrow she calls russian you with buyer. so basically it is not serious. so our,

our look like our views to think he's a peacemaker. yeah, but i mean, it's, you know, at this point here, sorry, but why would someone like vladimir putin take mc, groans, telephone call, but what could he possibly say? i mean, well, i mean because because the point is let me go to glen here because it's, it's washington that matter. it's not berlin, it's not paris. it's not london, it's washington. ok. and i want to talk about the interview with weakness. merkel gave to the media. that'll back up my thesis here. so i mean, you know, glen, why should anybody in the crumbling pick up the phone? i mean, what, what are these people saying? what have they said for the last 10 months that would be meaningful? well i guess we can draw experience from in december and january and those claims that there, that most go didn't really care much what you had to say didn't really care what the secretary general murray had to say. the name on caller was worth taking was the one from washington because that the end of the day,

that's where the decisions will be made. so so much on this. well, he often placed there all of the great, you know, the great leader and capable of doing this. you know, here we go. but he said all of this for many years and did decide in a rush as a part of europe. you know, it has to be included in this for 30 years now. so i wouldn't, i think when it really came down to it and russia ask, okay, the sentiments converting into actual security guarantee for us. nothing ever came from across. so, and it's again, it's not saying it's a just thing is only we also hinder, towards the end of having to support from the american not been necessarily from the rest of the p. c. there. so then from france, isn't that powerful? they can't swing in the whole west, they don't, they don't speak for europe. so it is. it's a positive sign,

at least we're talking about how to negotiate because for so long now, negotiations was a multi word one shouldn't say was the current on the appeasement. so the fact that you know, you have people like on the us side which is more mystic general amelia, who was suggested now is the time to negotiate. i don't think we can get more out of this war than the older have and, and also, and of course, you know, because i think to a large extent he speaks on behalf of washington as well. and he also had a very aggressive rhetoric suggesting the only accepted piece was full victory on the, on the, on the natal ukraine and signed. and now course is arguing that the diplomacy has to be a solar list. i'm glad you brought it up because i have a quote from him and then throw it to dean. right now. this is still been burned in the last new cycle here. but we have to but we have to pay a much higher price if our freedom in peace are threatened through pollutant winning in ukraine. again, this is, this is

a symmetrical here. what is he talking of? freedom in peace rush is talking about security in that's when that's what these negotiation should be about or deed huh. we can just go back to december 17th of last year as a starting point. ok, we didn't have to go through all of this. if, if what nato in washington had taken russian security demands seriously deem well in my israel war, well, you know, what is peace, freedom of slavery and as drawn rolling go recently, a phase transgender, the guy who gave you. so basically, it's all absurd and the, and know some end of this to russia, micro food, you get, who calls you saying that he's a, negotiate that sense artillery pieces you hope to do your grades

a piece for basically what i want to say is that this voice mails you the west, is it always a just to remind you it prevailed the journey? well, now russia made the suggestions and what, and what from the west for just fall off of my we are a peaceful defense and why you have no reason to worry. yes, we can reason. unfortunately, the same story with the other, you know, suggestion. so patients, just recently there were signals from the, from the united states that they were not quite happy with you, that they were not happy with the model or. and then today, or, you know, the last week we actually get messages over all the time and need to go to american officials and they want to do so. same thing. and i just gave green white grade to strike at the target's jeep inside using goals. so the evil waste is always the last one,

they always reveal it and they almost all who are the lowest for the nitrous and i and this is a very dangerous situation because we don't know where it will go. you know, even when would make sense, years is that if it's going to be a test of escalation, russia can escalate nato 6 ways to sunday. i mean it's, it's not, it can't work. ok. and that when that, that is the dilemma. because when nato is doing is it has a political agenda and it has a military one in there, not necessarily aligned go ahead one. when i was talking to reason of their minds, nato and russia fundamental difference view in terms of what creates security. so for nato, they tend to subscribe to the concept of liberal hedge money in which, you know, the world is divided between democracy and authoritarian. in other words, good between good and evil. so the more power decided, good us, that it's

a russia, the more peace you will have, which is why, you know, the customer is always so we need to negotiate from positional strengths. in other words, dictate because this is how to create peace when the good guys have all the power. and this is very different from power rush used to world which focuses more on the security, the level that you have competing centers of power. and they have to find ways of harmonizing their security interest. obviously, if you think there was divided between good and evil, then harmonizing. we're finding a common piece with russia. it's very well that that's what we used to work, appeasement. because any time even there antithetical you can't do that. ok, i mean it a purpose perversion of its own logic. if i gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with ah ah!

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ah go back to de la. here in moscow, a demon in emma merkel gave a very curious interview in the last couple of days. and i think it can be interpreted in a number of different ways in which obviously she was criticized by basically um, pulling the veil back in saying that meant the mens process was a, was really not real. um, it was buying time for ukraine and for nato to build up ukraine's on defensive and offensive capacities. here. i'm not really sure. i, i necessarily believe her rendition f post fact and like this because i think she's trying to justify her policy esentially failed. but if you look at it from the russian side, well then obviously these people were not serious. the germans weren't serious,

the french weren't serious. and why would they be serious now if they want negotiations? i think merkle really damaged any kind of the glimmer of hope that there could be talks in the immediate future, go ahead name or. well, it was always a mystery for me. why? and we rushed. then to excuse problem. i mean, there's the mist in russia. that's how she was good. actually was just pretended to be bad. just to get a fax. okay, look at digitally. so you don't believe use papers, you know, merkel needs gap coverage in nevada. but in builds yahoo, what we use is right, it absolutely go right to, oh, the sign in all day sensation agreement with that with the european you get that. what does the roller say we expect the more we expected more. and then there

you stopped in which 38 police were jill and hundreds name because they want to watch and from article should watch it. you know, i think we're down to them there. and then you know, they bring a government down. all the people voted for you want to defend their own in the east of the target, but he's down basically what, what is the east? so she, she rules the meaning reaction all the great in government that they get defeated their retreating and then she stuff. yes, why am time gaining actually more time because they didn't see that she just said the defeat, but they could get bought then you have 8 years after that because they didn't retain far enough. so i think the reason why so many people in the world are deceived is because you gave my theory is that the president has to be, she has, could you call some of the people, you know,

but that doesn't mean our breath. the site should, should be as before because he's he was safe, be weak and save the crew. she was a why she was very what was kind of what she best enormous responsibility for the crash or the relations with the russian in the last 16 years . yes, that is absolutely agree with you completely, glenn. but this brings up this credibility issue here. i mean, i mean i like to once. why wouldn't your interlock richard high to you again? i mean, we don't even have a basic playing field right now to even start starting talks to start talks, if you know what i mean, that was. and it's an amazing revelation of coming from a anglo miracle. like i said, i think she could be playing monday morning, co quarterback, now. ok. and then i think there is an element of that there. but for the russians,

the element of trust is about 0 right now. that's why i said on this program repeatedly, this conflict will come to an end. when russia says it's over, ok, and it achieves it's goal because it's not going to get a cheap. those goals to negotiation is going to get those goals. those goals unilaterally, through the use of force level water in the mar, referring to this huge lack of trust, which is necessary to have that trust if you're going to have an actual negotiation and a compromise in a political settlement. obviously, the mutual trust is quite broken on both sides. so for us, they looked at russia and especially after the nation of the annexation of this new for region start. this was a huge bridge. of course, russia christmas arguing is, has his own reasons to be doubtful. i mean, why, why, why would they trust this now? and it's worth going back, how far agreements have been broken? because why would the signed something? now the reason why, from russia's perspective,

this war now is because there was never honored to means agreement to sabotage did for 7 years. this is not just my medical course, ankle is largely accepted. also the american side has been attached. and the reason why we have them in stock agreement, this may cause a war broke out who, why do the war broke out? because after the western governments helps support this regime change in camp. and in fact, if you remember during the regime change that we have, there was also an agreement was supposed to be unity government to germans, being one of the guarantee guarantors for having you to government, which and then abandon the following day instead gave all the legitimacy the could to the new government to power into school. and then again, if you can go so far back to it because it always, since the end of the cold war has just been broken agreements one after another. keep in mind that in, you know, in $1090.00, we signed the agreements and i did for them, we're going to have a common europe without dividing less. then we broke it by expanding nato. and,

and then even the ear signed agreements with russia in 2005 saying this. and when i was going to, if you're going to engage with common a boot countries like ukraine, we're going to harmonize. it's not one that's one that want to integrate at the expense of the other. well obviously you broke that that's why wind up in the mind on the source it's just been, is one break, i reach agreement after another. so, and the problem is, is there a difficult place to where sit here in the west? nobody is willing to put themselves into shoes of russia to understand how kind of we, we with the trade, all the agreements we have with them. they are there because then you become a put in a rush apologist overnight and you know, wash the council so so it is a difficult the ability to see the other side is very much diminished, which means there's a foundation for trust. there's no recognition of mutual interest, and if there is no recognition of mutual interest, you tend to fall into this narrative, some good versus evil. and again, there's no,

there's no foundation for compromise or trust them. you know, it's very interesting. i really like how gland is phrased it there, because the, when i call the global majority, we play the global south and it's a really our, the global majority. they actually do not see it the way the west does. they actually are far more sympathetic to rushes interpret ation and dealing with the west because the global south has had issues dealing with the west over the centuries. so there's a lot more sympathy there on the, on the part of the global south when it comes to russia's interpretation to this conflict. where is the western breast stay all we can achieve? as a result? now sweden and finland wanted to join nato and the name to unite that more than ever. well, there was also another result from direction. and now china wants to buy oil from

saudi arabia for chinese. see ok. now india wants to buy well pro ration right now. everyone is talking about the way from the goal, ask the universe. so exchange cards, which is a huge threat states. russia didn't want the child that was, it was the stage, the product itself by this world, sanction, because everyone in the east didn't get okay. they basically grows 3000000000 russian money. they can do it tomorrow. the last they can do it every, you know, if they don't like all we can do is already threatening him with all cutting off of all kinds so that they don't sell the whole story and there are many other men is absolutely right. there was a breach of their sites. they have their own narrative, they say, oh rush, you know, respect the chocolate europe,

which we basically find with more about your bank. it's, i'm sorry, it was for think all this job, europe, it was like something are in the gauge. mobile. honda go ok. you know, we're all for you and i had the problem was how do we get it? so they, they have their own narrative beach and agreements, and it is very well developed to these group. the problem is that if the west continues to rehabilitate s as in i guess the last week if they continue to resubmit it, if you're kind of excusing them for any kind of orbit they can and the grade math was there will be no negotiation. oh, i remember how all present and 15 per polo, you know, when he was in power and the and boy was very directional ready. he made their courageous. she came for also and there was a girl standing next to there. i think. what is your story just delivered a loud yet in full time for star on you here,

it's poem here. it's not russia. you want to kill them by the next. the next, the move of some of the people interested you or they don't want to go. she sure, and if you want to be your host where you wish they position, you are never one or one to have permanent will the exactly, glen because that and these people that do not want to have negotiations, defacto do not want to have a, any kind of mutual agreed upon security arrangement in europe. that is, that is them the worst possible outcome? i mean it, if it's all, it's all or nothing my way or the highway, then we're not going to see the security in europe. now this is all the main problem we have the are being, are quite divided on this issue though. i mean him, i mentioned that, you know, whole united no,

but i think that was initially because of the shock concerned. taken by surprise as russia i need it, but i think the longer this goes home, you're going to do going to see more more, more divisions also within, within europe. but of course, destinations can, can also them obstructs any any piece on negotiations. but again, i think of a day or pm eastern europeans think. i don't think it matters as much as one washing once it is quite possible that a compromise can be reached. i mean, and even so, in the me speculate perhaps in a rush, i was at some point even be willing to negotiate, you know, giving updates. well, it's called newly acquired territories on, on the western bank, underneath the river. i mean, it's the western bank and, but it's not. but again, it's not certain. and again, i mean,

the main challenge for russia now is what we're in the peace agreement look like, because you would have to, like the americans wouldn't. it wouldn't allow for, for example, recognizing any in your corner territory, but the russia, it would need a final piece because suggested if you didn't get any guarantees, then this piece agreement will just be a temporary cease fire. you know, we recognize that topic for a future additional time. we have them when i think my get some flow and here in moscow and i want to think our viewers for watching us here are tc next time. remember cross top roles. ah ah oh visa, she had went to sweden, steve, oh god, oh, he's fun down washington: photo sean house please be fun. claudia

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