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i am sky know hughes in on this edition at 360 view. and more countries are joining a global course to take a government action for the climate change in bubble warming. we're seeing massive heat waves and farmers protesting all over the world. what does the global community think about time a change in the policies being implemented? to counteract that global warming? is it even real? or is this all we can fight it to start a government buyback at the farm land? let's get start. by the year 2050 the world population is expected to grow. thomas a 10000000000 residence. that's almost 3400000000, more mouths to feed, causing between at 59 to 98 percent. more of a global demand for food. and with this on the horizon, you would think those who produce our food would be given the same place in society

. a celebrities are, are, at the very least, their jobs would be made as easy as possible to provide the proper nutrition needed agriculture around the world will have to increase their yield instead of production. however, those who make their living off of the land are now seeing restrictions by their governments all under the umbrella of climate change. the advocates for these rules say higher temperatures, drought, extreme weather, sea level rising, increase level of carbon dioxide or result of man made climate change and ultimately jeopardize the quality of the food produced. therefore, these restrictions being put in place by various governments or to the benefit of future crops. however, many farmers don't agree. one of those farmers joined us now is sharon, at van men in the dutch dairy farmers association. sharon, thank you for joining us. i have to ask, do you feel present day agriculture policy is being based on quality,

scientific data and research are more being influenced by a political agenda? yes, definitely. i would say the last thing, you know, it's more based on some wishful thinking. then it's based on just so i have to ask, what did a bigger threat to our food supply, climate change or government policies in the, the government, the things you know, i not only and them but you see it all over, you know, and it's only not only 5 years also and you know, and you guys, if you read rises, that garage is all over the place and, you know, well, and there's an old saying, and i'll never bite the hand to reach you. and that's actually what they're doing. so someone to pay the bill and i think, you know, this is quite a big producer of foods. we have quite a big export of food also and that's probably not the 1st ones to see what's happening. but there's

a lot of people all over the girl who are depending on foods we should produce on other places as well as a lot more people will start from under. that's sure. and the critical people are wanting for that for, for a year already. but nobody seems to listen so well, you should ask the question if there are some sort of why who, who was the star for a lot of people? i don't know. it's actually, it's ridiculous and i think it's, it's a shame. you know, as a farmer you, that you're all live producing food, you know, because of the 2 percent which are farmers which uses the other 89 percent 98 percent of the citizens and do the job which they want to do. always need to do, actually get rid of farmers. you know, you create a big problem for the other people. now they're at home, i have to ask, how is the fight going in the netherlands and what is it going to take for you to

succeed and return to some sort of autonomy to the farmers of your nation? well, actually defied. yeah, that's also a question. how long as the 5 still go and, you know, these last protest i still are going from for 2 years already started the 1st of october 2090. but when you lived before that, you know, actually all nitrogen stuff where, what the problem should be, that's already going around for, for 30 years already, you know, and then 99 and the boss. we had a problem with acid, right? and now we're talking about ammonia and other nitrogen on major problems. one of the big a big sure is, and i think that's not only at all, but it's probably all around the world. there's some sort of thinking that we have to save the planet, or we have to save the environment against the people. and, and actually, you know, nobody can be again said,

but what it's turning out right now is, and there's a few people planning all the other people what to do or what to restrict or what, what belief. and it's ridiculous, you know, where you have to save the planet, you don't stop killing promise, you know, or kelly. and probably we can be so bought out of the issue are part of the cause of the problem. but for sure, we are always part of the solution. so when that when this problem with the environment, always emissions. so whatever farmers could be the solution and then a problem. so, and the, and the only thing what will happen is get rid of promise, you know, you, you get rid of production value and some, some sort of production needs to be moved far away on other places of the globe which is used low, lower standards. then then we do right there, you know,

farmers in the netherlands are not harvesting all of their crops because honestly, they can't afford the cost of electricity to either grow or even store their vegetables in their harvest. this will have an effect on all areas of agriculture and food production. you know, it almost seems like the people pushing these policies almost want there to be a worse food shortage. yet there is a food shortage either occurring or on the horizon. and most areas of the world, does this even make sense to you? who said this a difficult question, i can only agree what everything you say it's it's. but again, it's, i think it's coming back on the 1st question. leave off. it's by go incidents. this is all happening, or is it on purpose? well, the why no nose as you say it, i don't know. you can only see it, and it's not only and all that is not only and not again, it's not only because of russia, and it's not only because of energy, but that's

a lot of things coming together. and every part of the, every piece of the puzzle is making the price is bigger. you know, it's price of energy go up, the price of gas go up. production of fertilizer is going down. well, one thing is to sure, you know, we are able to see the world because fertilizer and, and, and that doesn't say fertilizer is good all over the place. but we raise production by a, by a great amount in the boss. so well, when does not know fertilize it for the next, that will be probably for the for the next season and all of the season now is almost gone for this year as well. that will make the end of the of the story. yeah. even worse, you know, the crop for, for next year will be way less then it will be this year. so yeah, normal citizens should, should. i don't know what they should, but for sure they have to to, to look in the future

a how they will fill their pace. do you think this is a bell, whether fight for the rest of the world? i mean, the netherlands is one of the top food ex borders and few people know this because it is a relatively small country. if the farmers in the netherlands lose, do you think other nations even stand a chance now? well, that's a good thing and you know, what i, what i've seen for years already is certain lines or certain policies all over the planet. you know, in boss environmental rules and all would always be higher than for the rest of the world. and that was some sort of common sense, you know, we were very intensive country and there's a lot of people living here. so that would be more rules on environmental issues that people fall down was normal and in the boss already fama say i have been emigrated to america,

kind of that or whatever for just farming and don't have problems, this environment alignment. but what you see right now is it's a global say, you know, you in america have the same actually as it's probably a cold different, but it's the same line. like i said before, it's the thinking we need to protect the climate odd years against the people. and i don't know if it's actually ridiculous because what you see in the, in the big of the pollution it's go on, you know, big industries or whatever and that's, that's still going on. and you know, i don't know, it all. i just can say they need to land, they want the land one place to build houses and they want to get rid of the promise. that's this one thing. sure. you know, something that i've just been shaking my head about sharon is, you know, this a narrative that is being posed all by the opposition is that you and your fellow

farmers are polluting the environment. you know, i have to, as going to personal, how do farmers feel when they are told they are anti climate change and anti environment? when you actually make your living off of the land it's, it's, i feel everything you know where you ask the question. i just got taken in it made me feel sad and make me feel very angry and it's, it's ridiculous still, you know what you mentioned. we are living in, in the measure and actually it's called your land, but it's still major biological processes. and when we are polluting the environment, we are losing our future. you know, it's the same as throwing boys in your, your water. well it's, it's ok your cell, so you will never do it. and yes, in the past we did for practice, is we know now could be, could do better. so we're doing them better right now. you know, using, i love less fertilizer be using. i love last chemicals to protect the crops and

stand this i going up for, for, for, for energy of years i would say so when people are blaming agriculture for producing foods or the way we do it, it's just ridiculous. you know, they're blaming ash up with the food on their plate. so it's, and that's actually what's happened all over the planet. i would say in the last decades the distance between people and nature is getting bigger and bigger. and some sort of, i think, political ideal to get that big, you know, to get people away from their routes, you know, where we are all come down from, from our religion and but, but sometimes looks like we got a new job and it's called the climate judge, you know, it's, it's very so thinking we have to protect the earth against people. well, what will be the end of the, sorry, we have to kill a few 1000 or a few 1000000000 people to protect this. i don't know, but then i would say fives is all, you know, and sometimes when there's been

a balance which is not going good nature also where, you know, retakes itself or resource is restoring the balance or i don't know it's, but it's ridiculous and it's, it's every farmer, very bad and very angry and very sad feeling that people are blaming it's by the end of each you. so let's talk about if these policies that the government proposing are actually implemented. what does this mean for your specific farm? it's, well, i don't know for sure yet because there's been some maps from the government, they're all on divided in different regions. and then if you regions need to cut down their mission by 12 percent of the region by 46 percent. and then there's regions for 75 and 95 percent. and the same time all the innovations on emissions, the nitrogen are not,

you're ready to go test that are legally so on. it's about the same as capitalize it on the, on the car. you know, it's also reducing your emission, but you should see it like this capitalized it's working, but it's not legally attested. so when you come in for court, judge will say this system is not allowed because use it. so when you have to cut down your emissions by 10 percent or 40 percent or 90 percent, the only way to do it is to cut down your hurt by the same percentage and grow percent on this region so far. well, probably it could be possible, but you know, when you make kind of cows and you have to sell 12 cows that sell percent of your net income and the margins are this low on the moment that percent less could be enough to where to get out of business, i don't know, you know i, i will try it the last day but some day where you can pay your bills and then the bank or you're just coming and they want that money. thank you, sharon,

for joining us today and we wish you the best in your fight. thanks very much. after the break, we've heard the perspective from a farmer being affected by government regulations. now we will talk with a lead environmental scientists and why he feels like these regulations are needed to preserve our food supply in the future. huh. ah ah ah, it is, it is a fact that the minced process has failed. and i can't make any judgment about who has be responsible for the failure of denise process. but if them is the process and the subsequent the implementation, it was successful then it would probably not be in

a position like that. okay. but once that them is process has failed. and once that has been a proceed as a kind of a tech perception or by the russian side, then it probably should try to find a remedy it sooner any visits and to rehabilitate them. his courses and the solution should not be a kind of community, a solution need dialogue with hello, welcome back. i've given you a perspective from the agriculture community regarding how government regulations

are affecting them. now let's take a look at this from the scientific perspective. when vanderpool as the head of the department of terrestrial ecology at the netherlands institute of ecology and joins us now. thanks for joining us. you know, when you are an established and respected scientist. so i want to look at this from a scientific standpoint. can the scientific community in regards to agriculture actually do anything to combat or can or the changes going on within the climate or within the climate? so yes, and i think that within the, within the climate you mean the temperature changed and so there can do a lot. so a lot of the climate controlled by soil m. so we do a lot of wiggle, soil and soil health and brush during more carbonate soil. you can help in mitigating climate change control. so it's helped adapting to climate change.

because if you store a carbon source to source, would become more capable of collecting water. and keeping water and dishes, something which is really important on the climate change is the impact agriculture is having on the climate change new to the scientific community or have we known for a while and just ignored. yeah, this is known for decades in fact. but recently, since, especially after the parish meeting 2015, when it was really become evident that the climate is changing faster than we expected. we tried to come up as old possibilities to combat climate change and so one has them. one of them is to store more carbon than soil and actually than you ever in life which cuts from both sides because you, you reduce as she would to levels and yet must fear, which is one of the causes of climate change. a major cause for climate change effect, and you also make this world more fertile,

more self sustaining. i want to look at the future and will not harvesting the crop this year, as many farmers are saying they cannot due to high electricity prices. and these regulations will that have an effect on the future crops and harvest of the saying in which the supers not eaten us, hawkins, is, is serv. so the farmers will have to crocks costello lose your lot of money. but if the crops would be, would remain on the land, then those crops would end up in the soil as carbon show for the shortage is good. the only thing is for you will get in touch to get diseases which do thoughts on these crops and that may affect crops next year, but no doubt to farmers will harvester course actually they are, they are harvesting the groups right now. are you seeing these same at problems and other countries and our scientists is sharing their research across borders. yes. was a lively interaction among researchers and h t m. so in, in the promo,

the former's community here. so we're still doubts being expressed about the correctness of the scientific conclusions. but actually all scientists agree and maybe accept good, very, very small minority of people who just simply don't want to listen to this look to the effects of actually designed to secrete. it's re evident, gotta take place and we know that an industrialized countries are in the industrialized areas, for example, northwestern europe, but also parts of italy, but also em gots in asia. hm. and, and throw sample entered in mid best in the united states. those have broad score agriculture is carried out in a really, i intensive way that we see that this high intensity agriculture is just polluting the environment by reducing all these nutrients into the environment. the evidence

is just really very solid. so am i, i wonder? what do you actually tell the farmers who say these new policies being put in place are going to make them have to close their farm? we have a global food shortage. isn't this the time for farmers to maximize production rather than close shop? yes, grow. am the 1st thing is the question is if the farms need to be close, they need to produce in a different way. if you see how much the farms have grown. so in one generation they have grown almost tenfold. so if they, if we grow back and if they would produce food air of more value, then it with less production, they would just go on the same income that is wanting. the other thing is m, we have an increasing amount of people who hold her. but a lot of land,

most of our best land is just used for producing feet for cash and food picks and we're chicken. so if, as a society we decides that we change her off good intake. and that doesn't mean that people have to become for, it's pretty serious. but if we just, it's a little bit less meet. then we can just save the planet by just making space for m . o score, producing food for of green of people. the 3rd thing is a look of the food that we produce is being wasted. but 30 to 40 percent of holes with this produced is being wasted. so if we reduced food waste, then we can just easily split the world. now the climate has changed office the beginning of time. so how have civilizations in the past and able to adapt their food supply versus today? well, there's 2 things. one is about climate change. in general,

the climate has never changed as fast as it is changing. now, so if you see, for example m, the did the last half of the previous century, we had one try year. now this century we have the ready for a 5 exceptionally try years. so the climate is really changing very fast. if you see the glaciers melting, if issued the highs on the goals melting, it things are going so fast that the living world cannot adapt to these changes and then going back to the past. so to have been a local population is like, for example, the my us and they went extinct and, and food short that should cause a major who effect or i can see things in driving. the extension is healthy, sir. all 2 populations and, and the fruit crashes, there was also due to a trunk, short dose worn natural roach. but also you cannot exclude that's in charge. were

caused by misuse of over the length. now some of the policies which are hurting modern day farmers. and while the limiting nitrogen emissions are from agriculture products, but isn't nitrogen essential to plant growth? yes, nitrogen is essential to plant growth, but it's just like with us humans. if you eat, if you get enough ducts that's good for your health. but if you eat too much, then you get fluffy and you can't move anymore because you and the same is happening with plants. so if blankets in north nitrogen, take your well, they're strong to produce m good for us. but if be good too much nitrogen on these trans than they go crew fluffy, they collapse, and they become diseased. and moreover, another problem with nitrogen is took, there are different forms of nitrogen. so when nitrogen goes into the air as colonia and done,

angel been nature reserves don't stretch bluetooth nature reserves, and his nature reserves don't like nitrogen at all. that is current at the expense o gland diversity and our diverse, she'd like african search and bridge. thank you, him for sharing your research with us now. thinks, 01974, u. s. secretary of state, henry kissinger said, who controls the food supply controls the people. sadly, this was a suggestion of using the control of food as a weapon and whether this was to induce population reduction or to punish those who did not go alongside and agreed upon. agenda. we can only speculate. but what we do know is countries around the world are either dealing with or facing of famine in the near future. and throughout history, those in power never saw the lack of food as a problem until their own table was found bare. maria antoinette, famous,

they said during the french revolution, let them eat cake. when our own subjects could not find bread. and his callous remark caused the queen to become such a hated symbol of how out of touch, the powerful were. she eventually lost her head several years later. that's a powerful have a wise stop and not to brazen in their words. they sugar coat their intentions, thinking it will make it easier for society to swallow. climate change is an issue which should be addressed and careful. our planet is a responsibility we all have. however, pardon me if i have serious doubts about the honest intentions of those who are actually crafting policies, which would be hard working farmers and jeopardy all in the name of climate change . especially when they are crafting these policies at summit being held and 5 star resorts, which they flew to their c o 2 u emitting private jess. this is been your 360 view of the issue on sky. no. hughes

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