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and farmers, so testing all over the world, what does the global community think about climate change and the policies being implemented to counteract global warming? is it even real? or is this all being invited to start a government buyback of a farm land? let's get started. ah, by the year 2050 the world population is expected to grow thomas 10000000000 residence. that's almost 3400000000 more miles to feed cars in between 59 to 98 percent more of a global demand for food. and with this on the horizon, you would think those who produce our food would be given the same place in society as celebrities are, are at the very least their jobs would be made as easy as possible to provide the proper nutrition needed agriculture around the world. will have to increase their yield instead of production. however, those who make their living off of the land are now seeing restrictions by their governments all under the umbrella of climate change. the advocates for these rules
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say higher temperatures, drought, extreme weather, sea level rising, increase level of carbon dioxide or result of man made climate change and ultimately jeopardize the quality of the food produced. therefore, these restrictions being put in place by various governments or to the benefit of future crops. however, many farmers don't agree. one of those farmers joined us now is sharon, at van men in the dutch dairy farmers association. sharon, thank you for joining us. i have to ask, do you feel present day agriculture policy is being based on quality, scientific data and research are more being influenced by a political agenda? yes, definitely. i would say the last thing, you know, it's more based on some wishful thinking. then it's based on just so i have to ask, what is a bigger threat to our food supply,
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climate change or government policies in the government, the things you know and not only and them but you see it all over, you know, and it's only not only 5 years also and you know, and you guys, if you read rises, that's garages all over the place. and yeah, well, and there's an old saying and i'll never bite the hand to reach you. and that's actually what they're doing. so someone to pay the bill and i think, you know, this is a, quite a big producer of foods. we are quite a big export of food also and that's probably not the 1st ones to see what's happening. but there's a lot of people all over the go who are depending on, on foods which is produced on other places as well as a lot more people will solve for me under this is sure. and the critical people are warning for that for, for a year. already, but nobody seem to listen so well,
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you should ask the question if there's some sort of why, who, who was the star for a lot of people? i don't know. it's actually, it's ridiculous and i think it's, it's a shame. you know, as a farmer you, that you're all live producing food, you know, because of the 2 percent which are farmers which uses the other 89 percent 98 percent of the citizens and do the job which they want to do. always need to do, actually get rid of farmers. you know, you create a big problem for the other people. now they're at home, i have to ask, how is the fight going in the netherlands and what is it going to take for you to succeed and return to some sort of autonomy to the farmers of your nation? well, actually define, yeah, that's also a question how long as if i still go and, you know, these last protest i still are going from for years already started the 1st of
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october 2019. but when you lived before that, you know, actually all the, all nitrogen stuff where, what the problem should be, that's already going around for, for 30 years already, you know, and then 99 d and the boss. we had a problem with acid, right? and now we're talking about ammonia and other nitrogen on major problems. well, what the big a base here is. and i think that's not only at all, but it's probably all around the world. that's some sort of thinking that we have to say. ready planet, we have to save the environment against the people and, and actually, you know, nobody can be again said, but what it's turning out right now is, and as there's a few people planning all the other people what to do or what to restrict or what, what belief and it's ridiculous, you know, where you have to save the planet, you don't start killing farmers, you know,
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or kelly. and probably we can be so bought out of the issue are part of the cause of the problem. but for sure, we are always part of the solution. so when, when this problem with the environment though is mission. so whatever promise can be done the solution and then a problem. so and the, and the only thing what will happen is get rid of promise. you know, you, you get rid of production value and some, some sort of production needs to be moved far away on other places of the globe, which is used on my lot, lot lower standards than me do. right there. you know, farmers in the netherlands are not harvesting all of their crops because honestly, they can't afford the cost of electricity to either grow or even store their vegetables in their harvest. this will have an effect on all areas of agriculture and food production. you know, it almost seems like the people pushing these policies almost want there to be
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a worse food shortage. yet there's a food shortage either occurring or on the horizon and most areas of the world. does this even make sense to you? who said this a difficult question i, i can only agree what everything you say it's it's but again, it's i think it's coming back on the 1st question. leave off. it's by go incidents, this is all happening, or is it on purpose? well, the why no nose, as you say it, i don't know, you can only see it and it's not only and all that is not only and not, not only because of russia, and it's not only goes with energy, but there's a lot of things coming together and every part of the, every piece of the puzzle is making the price is bigger. you know, it's the price of energy go up, the price of gas go up. production of fertilizer is going down. one thing is sure,
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you know, we are able to see the world because fertilizer and, and that doesn't say for live is good all over the place. but we raise production by a, by a great amount in the boss. so well, when does not know fertilizer for the next, that will be probably for the for the next season. and i'm the see. and now it's almost gone for this year as well. that might be the end of the, of the story. yeah. even worse, you know, the crop for, for next year will be way less then it will be this year. so yeah, normal citizens should, should. i don't know what they should, but for sure they have to to, to look in the future how they will fill that base. do you think this is a bell whether fight for the rest of the world? i mean, the netherlands is one of the top food ex borders and few people know this because it is a relatively small country. if the farmers in the netherlands lose,
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you think other nations even stand a chance? yeah, well, that's a good thing and you know what i, what i've seen for years already. it's certain lines or certain policies all over the planet. you know, in boss environmental rules and all would always be higher than for the rest of the world. and that was some sort of common sense, you know, we were a very intensive country and there's a lot of people living here. so that, that there will be more rules on environmental issues that people followed that was normal. and in the boss already fama say i have been emigrated to america kind of that or whatever for just farming and don't have problems, the bar environment alignment. but what you see right now is it's a global thing. you know, you in america have the same actually as it's probably a cold different, but it's the same line. like i said before,
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it's is the thinking we need to protect the climate audio earth against the people . and i don't know, it's actually ridiculous because what you see in the, in the big of the pollution it's go on, you know, big industries or whatever and it's still going on and you know, i don't know, it all. i just can say they need to land, they want the land one place to build houses and they want to get rid of the promise. that's one thing. sure. you know, something that i've just been shaking my head about sharon is, you know, this a narrative that is being posed all by the opposition is that you and your fellow farmers are polluting the environment. you know, i have to, as going to personal, how do farmers feel when they are told they are anti climate change and anti environment? when you actually make your living off of the land it's, it's, i feel everything you know where you ask the question. i just got taken in it made
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me feel sad and make me feel very angry and it's, it's ridiculous. do you know what you mentioned? we are living in in the measure and actually it's cultural and, but it's still major biological processes. and when we are polluting the environment, we are losing our future. you know, it's the same as throwing boys in your, your, what are well it's, it's will kill yourself so you will never do it. and yes, in the boss we did for practice is we know now could be, could do better. so we're doing them better right now, you know, using at, i love less fertilize of using i love last. gamma goes to protect crops and stand. this are going up for, for, for, for energy of years i would say, so when people are blaming agriculture for producing foods or the way we do it, it's just ridiculous. you know, they're blaming ash up with the food on their plates. so it's,
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and that's actually what happened all over the planet, i would say in the last decades. and the distance between people and major is getting bigger and bigger. and it's some sort of, i think, political ideal to get that big or, you know, to get people away from their routes. you know, where we are all come down from, from our religion, the judge and, but sometimes looks like we got a new years and it's called a collab. it's just, you know, it's, it's racial thinking. we have to protect the earth against people. well, what will be the end of the, sorry, we have to kill a few 1000 or a few 1000000000 people to protect this. i don't know, but then i would say fives is all you know, and sometimes when there's been a balance which is not going good. nature also where the redated cell or east is restoring the balance or i don't know it's, but it's ridiculous and it's, it gives every farmer very bad and very angry and very sad feeling that people are
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blaming it's by the end of you. so let's talk about if these policies that the government proposing are actually implemented, what does this mean for your specific farm? it's, well, i don't know for sure yet because there's been some maps from the government where all of this divided in different regions. and then a few regions need to cut down their mission by 12 percent of a region by 46 percent. and then those regions for 75 and 95 percent. and the same time all the innovations on emissions the night again are not. you're ready to go test it are legally so on. it's about the same as a capitalize it on the, on the car. you know, it's also reducing your emission, but you should see it like this. the capitalized it's working, but it's not legally attested. so when you're coming for court,
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judge will say this system is not allowed because use it. so when you have to cut down your emissions by 10 percent or 40 percent or 90 percent, the only way to do it is to cut down your hurt by the same percentage and grow percent on this region so far. well, probably it could be possible, but you know, when you know kind of cows and what you have to sell 12 cows that sell percent of your net income and the margins are farming. are this low moment that percent less could be enough to where to get out of business. i don't know. you know, i, i will try to allow bay but some day where you can pay your bills and then the bank, or you're just coming and they want the money. use your own for join us and we wish you the best in your fight. thanks very much. after the break, we've heard the perspective from a farmer being affected by government regulations. now we will talk with a lead environmental scientists and why he feels like these regulations are needed
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ah, welcome back. i've given you a perspective from the agriculture community regarding how government regulations are affecting them. now let's take a look at this from the scientific perspective when vanderpool as the head of the department of terrestrial ecology at the netherlands institute of ecology and joins us now. thanks for joining us. you know, when you are an established and respected scientist. so i want to look at this from a scientific standpoint. can the scientific community in regards to agriculture actually do anything to combat or can or the changes going on within the climate with in the climate? so yes, and i think that within the, within the climate you mean the temperature changes and so they can do a lot. and so a lot of the climate is controlled by soil. and so we do a lot of wiggle, soil and soil health. and by storing more carbon in soil,
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you can help in mitigating climate change control. so it's helped adapting to climate change. because if you store a carbon source to source, would become more capable of collecting water and keeping water and dishes, something which is really important. and the climate change is the impact agriculture as having on the climate change new to the scientific community, or have we known for a while and just ignored. yeah, this is known for decades effect. but recently since m, especially after the parish meeting in 2015, when it was really becoming evident that the climate is changing faster than we expected. we tried to come up with all possibilities to combat climate change and so one has them. one of them is to store more carbon than soil and actually than you ever in life which cuts from both sides because you, you reduce as she would to levels and yet much freer,
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which is one of the causes of climate change. a major cause for climate change effect, and you also make this world more fertile, more self sustaining. i want look at the future and will not harvesting the crop this year, as many farmers are saying they cannot due to high electricity prices. and these regulations will that have an effect on the future crops and harvest of the other seeing and that the supers not eat miss hawkins is, is served. so the farmers will have to crocks hospital lucia, lot of money. but if the crops would be, would remain on the land, then those crops would end up in the soil as carbon. so for the source, it is good. the only thing is for you will get, is stu good diseases which dissolved on these crops. and that may affect the crops next year, but no doubt, to farmer's will harvester course actually they are, they are harvesting the groups right now. now are you seeing these same problems and other countries and our scientists is sharing their research across borders.
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yes, is a life interaction among researchers and h t m. so in, in the promo, the form was community here. so we're still doubts being expressed about the correctness of the scientific conclusions. but actually, all scientists agree and maybe accept a very, very small minority of people who just simply don't want to listen to the with look to the effects of actually designed to secrete. it's really evident what is take place. and we know that an industrialized countries are in the industrialized areas, for example, northwestern europe, but also brought to italy, but also em brought in asia. hm. and, and for example, ended in mid best in the united states. those approach were agriculture is carried out in a really, i intensive way that we see that this high intensity agriculture is just polluting
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the environment by reducing all these nutrients into the environment. and the evidence is just really very solid. so am i have, i wonder, what do you actually tell the farmers who say these new policies being put in place are going to make them have to close their farm? we have a global food shortage. isn't this the time for farmers to maximize production rather than close shop? yes, grow. am the 1st thing is the question is if the farms need to be close, they need to produce in a different way. if you see how much the farms have grown. so in one generation they have grown almost tenfold. so if they, if we grow beck and if they would produce food or of more value, then it with less production, they would just go on the same income that is wanting. the other thing is m,
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we have an increasing amount of people who hold her, but a lot of land, most of our best land is just used for producing feet for cash, and food picks for chicken. so if, as a society, we decide that we changed her off, we didn't take her and that doesn't mean that people have to become for, it's pretty serious. but if we just eat a little bit less meat, then we can just save the planet by just making space for m. o score producing food for of green off people. the 3rd thing is a look of the food that we produce is spin, wasted, but 30 to 40 percent of all the food that is produced is being wasted. so if we reduced food waste, then we can just easily speed the world. now the climate has changed office the beginning of time. so how have civilizations in the past and able to
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adapt their food supply versus today? well, the do things. one is a god climate change in general. the climate has never changed as fast as it is changing now. so if you see, for example, i did the last half of the previous century. we had one try year. now this century we had already 4 or 5 exceptionally try years. so the climate is really changing very fast if you see the glaciers melting, if you see the eyes on the poles melting, it things are going so fast that the living world cannot adapt to these changes and then going back to the past. so there have been a lot of populations like crucial pool the my us and they went extinct and, and food short that should cause major who effect or i can see things in driving. the extension is healthy, sir. all 2 populations and in the foot garage,
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there was also due to a trunk, short dose worn natural roach. but also you cannot exclude that's in charge for caused by misuse of to help the lent. now some of the policies which are hurting modern day farmers, and while the limiting nitrogen emissions are from agriculture products. but isn't nitrogen essential to plant growth? yes, nitrogen is essential to plant booth, but it's just like with us humans. if you eat, if you eat enough ducks, that's good for your health. but if you eat too much, then you get fluffy and you can't move anymore. you because joe and the same is happening with plants. sure. if blankets in north nitrogen, they dro, well, they're strong to produce and to scoot for us. but if be good too much nitrogen on these trans done, they go. crew fluffy, they collapse, and they become diseased. and moreover, another problem with nitrogen stood there are different forms of not would you. so
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when nitrogen goes into the air as ammonia and done and open nature reserves, don't struts, bluetooth nature reserves. and his nature reserves don't like nitrogen at all. that is current at the expense. oh, gland diversity and our garage sheet like african section bridge. thank you. m for sharing your research with us. nothings 01974, u. s. secretary of state, henry kissinger said, who controls the food supply controls the people. sadly, this was a suggestion of using the control of food as a weapon and whether this was to induce population reduction or to punish those who did not go alongside and agreed upon. agenda. we can only speculate. but what we do know is countries around the world are either dealing with or facing of famine in the near future. and throughout history,
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those in power never saw the lack of food as a problem until their own table was found bear. maria antoinette famously said during the french revolution, let them eat cake when our own subjects could not find bread. and his callous remark caused the queen to become such a hated symbol of how out of touch, the powerful were. she eventually lost her head several years later. that's a powerful have a why stop and not to brazen in their words. they sugar coat their intentions, thinking it will make it easier for society to swallow. climate change is an issue which should be addressed and care for our planet is a responsibility we all have. however, pardon me, if i have serious doubts about the honest intentions of those who are actually crafting policies, which would be hardworking farmers and jeopardy all in the name of climate change. especially when they're crafting these policies. as summits being held in 5 star
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resorts, which they flew to their c o. 2 you emitting private jess. this is been your 360 view of the issue on sky. no. hughes. thank you for watching. huh. news. oh it is. it is a fact that the mince process has failed, and i can't make any judgment about who has been responsible for the failure of the news process. but if them is the process and the subsequent implementation, it was successful then it would probably not be in a position like that day. but once that the missed process has failed. and once that has been, proceed as a kind of a tech perception by the russian side,
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