it is there said headline on all the news bulletins. and the 1st time, as far as i can remember, that, that chinese talk most leaders in a country. and, you know, i saw somebody also has a lot of it actually shows that both sides, china and the rug countries as a strong common ground interest. go in today for which we know there's a lot going on in your career and also your competition going up united states and china cost. there is a great on 70 about future bar this summer in china, aerobics countries, all of our consul, a significant to science really show really want to join hands on to bring some pop goods to both sides. i think that this was great. of course,

the won't come up with i want to enjoy it. it's a be that could be there in berlin, but we're not in an echo chamber. i know that professor, but as you know, the think tanks and g o z a are arguably in echo chambers we've had from the atlantic council bill saying that one shouldn't redo much significance in this. and the other saying this is incredibly significant. the national security council spokesperson in washington said john kirby said we are mindful of the influence the china is trying to grow around the world. and of course this in the context of the fact that us agencies of already labeled china, the number one enemy of the united states. do you think there's a battle in washington that's been one by those who see joiner is an enemy rather than as a partner to cooperate with for a more prosperous wealth. them are some people of course, are you want on a d. c and the united states same china as a. ready number one, a, me or rival,

but now official line of washington, d. c, that china is a most, you know, serious challenger to the u. s. and the u. s. lead in the national order and dante's official line, if that's a challenge or of course, whatever china us either see, a kind of lost the united states because people in washington, d. c. c. the u. s. channel combination has a 0 sum game, which i think is layer on the product that is very common, productive. but of course, the united states of america as people in what in the d p. c, were trying to water down the significance on the summit. but the fact, these are fact i seen is, like i said, just now it has a great significance both in terms of symbolic and saucers, awful or china as they're going our and number 2 power and also number one inch, a trading light on us need a kind of reliable supply of energy which in the us where the golf countries

produce. on the other hand, the gum hunters also need china as a major power tips. establish a new strategic banners in the region. it was awfully a decent. we shall soviet union and us israel alliance there as a owning advantage. i think that's the very reason why there's no stability ever since. of course, even china, joan, in given china's capacity or capability and also china's piece for development, strategizing would be a very positive element in the region and also where, how in mind, in the long ro, stabilize this situation. there economically speaking, of course, channels one by one road in the shave, an effort will also kind of work right into that hand of the countries over there who try to restructure the economy. so the economy would not. so we did an industry but become more diversified and the more more balance in the future as we know,

the saudis already have this and you certify a new study strategy. and you know, of course i, china. so, you know, corporations, china can be very, very productive and the fruitful in this regard. well, ok, hundreds of millions of people from latin america through africa, through se, asia, russia and china may agree with what you are saying. but, you know, in europe and the united states, quite apart from the fact that the saudis, the u. e. the middle east is routinely condemned over human rights issues. china is a routinely on the bbc and cnn, and other a television nerve broadcasters, as a, as a grocer, human rights violator, of them all, with concentration camps. i'm not sure quite how they argue the draws about the fact that the saudi arabia is the guardian of the holy places of his slum. whilst scheiner is supposed simultaneously be anti muslim,

it is the narrative last in europe and the united states. this narrative has 2 parts, number one, and only that is loose, like the people who accuse china and other countries as a human rights violations. it looks like they are perfect. they don't have any problems. they don't have alien violations on the human rights, which is are so rude, non truth not choose if you had a history all at present. those people who are accused china, i mean the people are united states, europe. they have a very bloody history of violation of human rights and the colonialism, slavery system and so on, so forth that human side on the leading people. lackey, now me, america, united states, america and australia and stuff like that is us history and human prison. we see that a lot of discriminations and violence, a lot of equality and the gap between reach and the poor. and so i love of problems there too. i think there's a 1st problem. second problem, of course e,

china lacking react a lack in law, different countries. irrational course, this countries is not covered as a systems not perfect. there are rooms are nice to be improved dollars because thus when we're humanly and finally do, we'll try to do well. so, so a kind of a better future. last not a problem. the problem is we are and we had a certain one that is a dollar standard. you cannot, you know, accused us why yourself says to be perk, this thomas standard son, we're sample credit love y, and that is face and all those p was last coded credibility and then become more and more, ideally, a minority. of course, this thing is unattractive on the look at it on the printer sense of global population on this side. so to some with our, my point is here we as a human being one not perfect over society. and an a republican system. there are crops, needs to be saw, the improvement that we can, you know,

a progress bar. ms. swan is absolutely nonsense. to say that i'm, that was one perfect idle moral high ground. you want me to become an always humor, even worse to apply a standard on those issues that we knew all of us and not in a candle more difficult and was in situations not this law is does. now, you know, the arguments, intellectual arguments used against what you said, usa then g o z, they will say what you're engaged in there is, what about is them? and they're saying, well, we're not perfect. we know, i don't know, they've what overthrown 40 countries around the world in 50 years, their governments and their torturing the british or torturing julian, a sergeant london. we know all that, but it's so worse somehow in the global south that that is their standard response . but isn't china losing the narrative? partly because it seems to be arguing as if there are rational actors arguing with

rational actors as it were. i mean, it is, as you know, they've already said that china is the enemy. number one, they send warships into the south china sea and the they, the, um, let's see. i mean, there, there are continuous remarks from the united states and my 6 in london, china is the single greatest priority very my 6 china seeks to distort public discourse. the api i boss china is the biggest long term threat to our economic and national security. why does china behave so often in europe, in the united states as if they're a, they're going to summer persuade western capitals of their argument. nice linda, this is very, a ironic and also sometimes even lockable for people who stated a china is no more. and of course our lot of people here in washington and in the west in china is a number was said in that regard. and indeed, seems to be

a number and but on the other hand, we say that you, by the persons are by then, sir. just a few weeks ago, united nations assembly, he said that he stays as a nation. that's nasty conflict with china when non kind of info coldwell, which china a state corporation because 3 sees us by the administration, policy goes shine, of course no more is computation. number 2, of course is confrontations and i to a number 3 is a corporation in the areas that they come into common interests. you want him to use the c to so we stand for her to forces fighting against each other in washington dc and the in the west. in general. on the one hand, the china rise as a threat to them, we optimize. and on the other hand, this is a, is a necessity and of course, and also a need to work with china on the kind of challenges with human kinds of facent leg, climate, change, leg, non proliferation of nuclear weapons. and now of course of the global financial

stability and not also one china to our, to mediate or to, to bring an end with his father. ready or you quinn, so it is a kind of self contradictory elements or phenomena, always say in the west, of course, china always carry on this piece for development strategies, not just center, just say that, but china is doing that. i've been doing this for 40 years. he, history, we know that he should never before has a major part. keep rising for 40 years without a single gunshot to be fired outside china. that's amazing. that's a fact. that's the reality. we know that off the code, all of the end of the code will last so many crisis, all along the kosovo crisis, georgia crisis, you credit crisis sooner, crisis or so and so forth. and then also crisis in our street, the crisis in south sanity. the crisis between china and the job, i'm over the army, austin cockle, ireland. one fact,

everybody can see all the crisis will never united states in the west. candy bar will play a major, a new one of them, and not in the war. not a single exception. all those crises were china, lisa, major. oh, no single gunshot has been fired in the past 30 years. professor one, jim, i'll stop you that more from the director, the institute of the u. s. and pacific studies. and the shy international studies university. after this greg ah, ah, to what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation. let it be an arms race is on a very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how

that strategy will be successfully, very difficult time to sit down and talk with only one main thing is important for naziism. internationally speaking, that is, that nation's thoughts are allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mind, the nations who are the slave americans. proc obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law will exist as long as it's serge american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this. danger is boy man that wants to take over the world. that was a culture strategy. says i'm booked as of yet on your own. i know she leashed off teams, zebulon and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we moved east. the reason the

us. hey jim, it is so dangerous. is it the by the sovereignty of all the countries? the exceptionalism that america uses in its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nato, what is founded shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose millions and millions or is business and businesses good. and that is the reality of what, what we're facing, which is fashion with ah,

welcome back to going under ground. i am still here with professor one jing from china's shanghai international studies university. are there not cultural gunshots being fired all the time, making out that china is evil in any case and her china. i know it's had some kind of exercise after nancy pelosi visit to taiwan, which was contrary to actual u. s. foreign policy. in terms of recognition of taiwan as part of gina. gina just thought, well, we'll fire a few guns as a some sort of practice. this wile, 400 military u. s. base is in circle china, just on this trip. um, they're talking about the petro, you $1.00 and pricing oil in not in dollars. the atlantic council, others are trying to say, look, this isn't too big a deal. other countries have done it, of course, when other countries from the global south, $1.00 to price oil in currencies other than the dollar,

more than often not to their leaders have been assassinated. what do you think of the dangers for china and for saudi arabia are for talking openly about pricing. oil in currents is other than the dollar lead to use the to use your suggest not and watch a cell number was a town is your palace a visit to pile wide? china as long as fletcher in a large military operations are exercised. iran, i want the island pie one actually is the largest ever since that vietnam will end it. of course, the 2nd issue is that we're, china is going to use chinese currencies are based on b and to pay for the oil or to as a price that the pay for the oil changed by a foam saudis. the 1st shot, of course, is a very simple fix united states. and here to what they say, one china policy in which they recognize the people's republic of china is that only legal representative he legitimate representative of china. the united states

never, ever really nice. taiwan, a sovereign state, and honoring god the number's 3 person u. s. government speaker. i was a congress, lucy, very little taiwan with a military air pen. thus a very obvious violation of americans, all one china policy and also work that encourages cowling and his forces. i am to challenge shyness. armand, he and her integrity. of course, china has a major partners. we're not tolerate this. so that's why tenure launches. huge military exercise. i thought the town there was no one really cared about that time, you know, and really i really want to use force to attack. so indeed already was, chinese military forces are really enter the so called a 12 miles territory lie. and the closest to my miles and we both at any american military over there. it's kind of strange. so that tells you exactly that china one

piece. now. ready or ask for the on the pay for the full or full. i said, now do you feel the blame the 1st want to play in the united states? struggle with her nice little stars. try and punish others for the most the use your students use some payments. we've tried a sancha against russia if united states trying to use us thomas, which is like local currency, global when we're currently at a womanizer for political purpose. of course, the st. louis sheely message to anyone who use us honest because they could be a link in the next raw live next one, good united states. i use dollars to bonds though. as number one. number cool. we all know that error says whose other name there couldn't be of your honest, never be recovered. after all, yes, united states just keep really now the dollars without any kind of limit. they called q u. c. condo, no mutation. in other words, you last,

united states fire use a for advantage of united star united states dollars, us a u. s. dollars a little currency to, you know, who is roy and other countries, including sony's and others. all of this, of course, paper strong. instead of the number one, we're out the late payment number to, to prevent all $3.00 and be, you know, taking advantage by united states, especially when, when women, that asian dollars, i've become so kind of the responses gave europe united states. and i think that he's truly understandable both on political studied and of course, economic on the v. i mean, as for that military display, wasn't much covered in european capitals anyway, and in the united states. and you think those arguments will be persuasive to antony blinkin. samantha power, that whole edifice of the military industrial complex are when they have $400.00 basis circling china. they have proxies, arguably, in terms of south korea,

japan new zealand, australia, around china. they have warships, routinely britain fans, warships routinely around there. meanwhile, those intellectual arguments are being made that all china is interested is mutual prosperity and progress. i do not see that there will be people in washington who say no, there has to be a red lime here and they won't be able to buy oil in the occurrences other than the dollar from saudi arabia. oh, and not a. it's is a pity that people in washington dc to not leaves or find the choir thing. so this is a star estate. so, so so's china decision made by china. so this is the 2 countries decided they want to have a study exchange and nobody really kind of in and of all this is in the national community that everybody has a park in. it is not a kind of

a wants to listen to the united states on this. yes. a, he's a hedge mom, but to some extent the subject line war and number one and number 2 as in this is also good for the regional stability in terms of economic development and political stability loss goes and, and, and i think that he's now a kind of a action that or under my people's interest for the self interest is, will actually be good for everyone and ask for, you know, the red lines and some for so forth. first, i think that if you, you one have a red line won't prevent us to not across it. you have to define what a red line really is. the problem is that on other issues, united states is a play the game most strategic ambiguity. so that inhibitor, that maximum is of flexibility and minimize the so called commitment fire. if you play the game of strategic ambiguity, of course others have also

a kind of flexibility to player on. i said that's a fair again. but you don't believe that those are governments in the arab world that are doing deals with china or in any danger. sadie, arabia the u. e, where i'm speaking to you from, for trying to enter this multi polar well, because as you know, for decades they have been seen in washington as a compliant states with us policy. yes, of course there is a risk and i think the people, you know, rather countries are leaders, they are now very rational and very wise, once again, again, the proven that the dean making a very rational decisions. i think i fully understand maybe better than you and me about what the risks really are. they have to do this because of those explosion off not a straight one. and 2 essays that united states not only want to dominate, dominate or monopolize in the areas of security and make long of development. the

want. also one who is a dominance in the market. because if you are a line that send energy to your, from russia, then they, you have to, you know, depend on the energy from, from great britain, norway, in the united states, in other one way the united states trying to monopolize the supply and demand, or other energy market, but which of course is very much a fundamental threat. we'll talk about threat of on the minister and to look at the gulf countries because they already agree, said lou, it's good. and then use your money to price my products, the fire. but if you want to determine a dominant wish buyers, combine our oil a wish wish you know which country i can supply my product, but it's a little too much. i think that's a fundamental reason for salaries to, to gave

a co shoulder to job by the want present by them visit. they are because they want to make sure they are the one who make a decision that a lot of the site, you know, which country they want to supply energy at what price they want to supply. and at one time, at the want speed at one volumes, there was not one united states to establish a money. this car is a increasing gap between strategic desire of united states and is a strategic kimberly, this guy is that even bigger also, you know, as a result we see that it was in the united states and this is alice wanted do cannot match our, of all the, you know, to want to see actually able to do. and of course, countries in the iraq countries also see this. this is a weakness that they can take advantage of. and it is exactly this cannot act peter

strategic, desire and strategic ability. dan has, has a low mine the study region and the d. r. i said when they're trying to strengthen orange, expand their corporation, a relationship with china. it's not for you the number of guests, but also to kind of achieve a common political. ready and, and monica stability, which is managed by a united states in the caskets. does it matter that that analysis is not even understood? is a dimension in which to contextualize warden, politics in western media. does it even matter that the, the circle propaganda or on the nation media speaks of the international community being against china, being against russia, being against that famous meeting between children, being and of letting me put in the,

in february where china is willing to work with russia to play a leading role in demonstrating the responsibility of major powers is what she jin being said. minimized that kind of news are arguably in nature, nature, media. but what is being emphasized is china is turning against russia and apparently, joiner is or i don't know, threatening bricks. i supposed to speak, legation, linda, there is some issues in the erosion, the china, regarding this war going on your credit. and i do not see that the 2 countries stand exact on the same page, but other providence can be in the should be saw through communications. and that because a to congress do have a very solid common ground based on number law. they have similar concerns in terms of national security. they also have our economies to economy, so really competency with each other. that's why china is very firmly refused to

join the sanctions against russia. and also china refer. ready to condemn so called russia gratian colon, quote, into you, chris, i will say that i sent china does have some also some common interest in this list . and for this, with the li i tried to demonize shine now same as 3 kind of situations where to distinguish carefully. number one, cause that even laura's, those people may never be to chime over over the fact also have this kind of conscious or subconscious, a prejudice against china or chinese people as a nation. in other words, they need to be educate, as they can kind of course is those who are very has a very, you know, you will with well, again it's janet. they do not see china doing good there. so you shine, as you mentioned that as a me, as us read the one china to go down this and so forth. another. ready the take on very far pollution all attitudes against can i just can i just ask you finally,

of course the pledge to support cor interest seen as ukraine anti one made between be made with put in and she gin ping is seen in the west quite differently. especially with the number increased amount of import sanction of energy resources from russia. from china. do you think the west will so called west? we'll be successful in cleaving apart this alliance between moscow and bay ging using ukraine as a 1st, almost a china and russia never get into a kind of alliance in terms of west our lives. they use a partnership, strategic partnership. of course, he's, which will send him to 2 separate gracia into china use in the context of you quinn . why? because of the 2 countries, like i said, a do have a strong come interest. and also we also know is not only china. other countries,

like south africa, pre sale, and, you know, of course, all those countries refuse to join the sanction consortia. and as a matter fact, the economy, if you're one of them only about 40 countries join the century british roger, which means this minority. so i say that your groom ball is a tragedy which try to bring it into a peaceful the of course, by no means all those countries have 2 sided with united states in west against washer. because there is a reason for this will, i think, from china on the view, the fundamental reason for this was our cold or mentality and the cold war behavior . us lost a lot, this kind of total mentality and behavior. we're going to have more trouble on the restaurant, ging, thank you. and that's it for the show will be back next week with another brand new episode. but until then, you can still keep in touch by law social media if it's not centered in your country, but you can always head to our channel going on the grantee on rebel dot com to watch you handle that sense of going on to grantee very soon

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