why does the u. s. government view him as a dangerous prisoner? it's because he initiated a computer denial of service attack on a hospital in boston after the hospital had forcibly taken a sick young girl from her parents. and falsely accused them of abuse. the government's poxy is incredible. here. dana, welcome to the show. you the to see you. thank you for having me. good to see you. dana dana, i've known you for a long time and we've talked about marty's case many, many times. even given my familiarity with his case, i'm just still as shocked now as i was when i 1st learned that marty was in a c. m. u. and i'm baffled over the bureau of prisons decision to try and silence him and people like him. marty was just recently transferred from the c, m u in marion, back to the countries other c m u in terra haute, indiana. that's the prison that also houses the federal death row. i want to begin by having you described to our viewers what daily life is like for marty in a c, m,

u i a c. m u is different than the rest of the bureau of prisons. in that it linux his ability to speak with attorneys and limits like right now his attorney can even get legal calls with him. now a significantly delayed he can't get many phone calls in the future. ready to 15 minute call that week i think a lot of it is just keeping them can in a small unit of about 70 people in the larger jail for him. and he's a jailhouse lawyer, so i think he's busy with the time. right. i can certainly understand the need for a cmu for let's say terrorists, you want one terrorists to be on the phone, coordinating other terrorist attacks with, you know, other terrorists, but as often as not that's not who's in the c amuse. many of the prisoners are

people like marty or drug whistleblower daniel hale or victor boot. it's meant as yet an additional layer of punishment for people whom the government just doesn't like. marty has fought his placement in a cmu for years. tell us about that struggle and how it's played out so far. in your introduction you've talked about just been a case and it wasn't just the protest again. bad condition. there was a rope life on the line and he in a way that didn't harm any patients that the jury found. i was able to return her to her family after about 13 months. horrible treatment qualify as tortured under the. ready when convention is the thing in the hospital, the boston childrens hospital is part of the harvard network. it receives the most federal funding of any pediatric teaching hospital. and so when you anger harvard

in boston, and i think it goes down. marty is a senior systems engineer, he's never had any trouble with the law. and then to put him in a c, m u when they're like real bad people in regular jails is actually crazy. there have to be a designation from i think i forget the some kind of the director in the b o. p has to sign off on it. they don't give any reasons and you can challenge it a lot with with complain and it doesn't really go anywhere. why is he in the cm you? that's an excellent question. this is just guessing they don't. they don't tell you, but marty has not has not let their obese and their mis treatment of prisoners and disrespect for the law go unnoticed. he's published scathing articles in the intercept

r. t rub stayed and a number of others. i think that this is a way to violence people. i think that you see a lot of politically sensitive cases like daniel hale and schafer, cox than dog reynolds. this is the cmu is, is like a blast site is where the government will put people that they want to silence. and it's actually crazy that it even exist. you would think bite and would have wanted to do right by the american citizen reno after the rally. hard again. truck but trump actually put in the 1st step act. and now the 1st step act is not being honored, is not being respected. marty. okay. yeah, no, i'm agreeing with you. the 1st step back hasn't been respected. we've not seen reforms coming out of the biden administration, and i'll tell you something else that just happened. it happened in the,

in the very 1st week of december. and that is the warden of the women's prison at dublin, california was convicted on 13 different counts of, of raping female prisoners. well that's someone who's too dangerous to live among the public. if someone is too dangerous to be on the street, he's not in a c, m u, he's perfectly free to walk around his prison and go outside and exercise and talk to the media and talk to his lawyers and talk to his family and do anything he wants so really i think your point is well taken. if they want to silence you, if they want to punish you, if they want to make your time in prison, more difficult because they have what you did or who you are. that's when they put you in a c. m. you yeah, i wanted to mention that marty's judge, judge,

nathaniel important is, is tied in with the adoption agency that would work on getting just donated into another family home. i know there's financial ties from the judge to the case and even when he was asked or excuse, he still wouldn't do it. so there's definitely animosity between the judge towards marty. i know you're absolutely right and we've spoken about this, the number of times going through the criminal justice system up close has been one of the biggest rude awakening that you can imagine in terms of, you know, a lot of things turn out to just be cardboard and there's nothing behind in terms of you know, you go to groups and look, there is an legal system. and you say like here's the case, am i right? or am i wrong? and it just turns out the being right doesn't matter. the way that i found the

things work are with social pressure and with media attention. it is way more powerful than with the law is going to do for you. and we see that i think many, many times it's been a hard pill to swallow. good day when i was in prison after i blew the whistle on the ca torture program, i was placed in something called a modified c, a c m u. this was after i wrote an open letter that was picked up by almost every media outlet in the united states. i later did a freedom of information act request on myself with a bureau of prisons and in return i received a document that the prison warden had sent to all jail staff the week before i arrived in very large letters. it said caution. inmate has access to the media. as a result of all my ridiculous, right? all my phone calls were monitored as they took place. my incoming and outgoing

emails were monitored and were subject to a 5 day delay. and even my incoming and outgoing mail was opened and photocopied before either being given to me or being sent out. what marty and victor boot, and daniel hale and others are going through is even worse than that. tell us about the limits of contact that marty has and what he's done to hold the bureau of prisons accountable for its actions. yeah, great question. sorry to hear that that happened to you that is afraid. modified the the cmu taking place outside of the see those are all things that sound familiar. i mean marty's attorneys literally can't reach him. they will. the bureau of prisons will not allow him to have attorney calls. they say, unless there's an impending court deadline, but it's none of their business. if

a lawyer and i didn't want to speak about the case and next steps regardless, ending that immediate deadline. there's other people like donald rental who doesn't get through to congressman she and marty as well to the media. it's just blocked. everything like you said is calls i listen to in real time. all mail is saved. there's, you know, when you go into general, you don't lose your right. that's right. and it seems like you do, unfortunately it's, it's tough, you know, in september 2021 r t r t wrote an article about him. and i shared a clip of media call, i have it in, in a q, marty, of trying to conspire to violated

a 3rd party or which means i guess a 3rd party you can't be involved actually with this. and you can have a 3rd party on the call, so it can only be me and him, it can't be 2 people and him. and they ended up taking away his phone and his email from september 2021 to august 2020. you know, and they had him in solitary confinement for a lot of the 1st few months. it's, it's, it's like, it's just one of those things like, you know, obviously we're happy that he's taking action with foreign prisoners. but like, what about the people at home like weird cancer were giving the thing thing that the penal colony 3rd, i hate to say it, but it's it's just a really scary situation and seen it feel so unfair and i feel very different

franchise, you know, just as an aside, dana after victor boot was, was sent back to russia, and brittany griner was brought back to the united states. there were articles in the u. s. press, talking about the so called penal colony that, that britney griner had been sent to. and they were saying, oh my god, it's so terrible they make her work for almost nothing and the food is terrible and there's no medical care. and i wrote an article, i dashed it off. and i said clearly, none of these american journalists have ever seen me inside of an american prison. because what they're describing is an american prison. we have no right to complain about prisons anywhere else when ours don't even meet the most basic level of human

rights. that's just me, people and people go out last, it should not throw down and i can't agree with you more or throw the stones 6 or glass. how 1st? yes, exactly. do you know? yes, spoken to 2 countless attorneys activists elected officials. has anybody been able to explain to you how the bureau of prisons has gotten away with using these c m use as a weapon to silence high profile prisoners? how is the b o p able to use these units so unethically? without there being any fall out. yeah, that's a great question. i mean there's been a number of hearings in front of congress by the director of the b o. p. go, they make a show that they do a little recording that they can put online. but the b p 's played by controversy just horrible thing after horrible thing and nothing ever really seems to change. i

don't know if it's that it's hard to explain. i mean, this is something i've been re watching the congressional hearings on the troubled teen industry, which is a pro not necessarily affiliated, but there are programs across the country that try to help which tough love trouble use. so it's like right, so treatment facilities like that. and, and one of the scenes, the head of the geo, the government accountability office, gregory, one of the congress, people asked them like, why are these people in general like for what they're doing as i don't know. and i think it ties back to what we were saying before and that like it's the wild west out here like rules laws. it just doesn't matter. like and you any would

in no way. you really wouldn't know it until you've gone through it. i do not think that the media that just your, your everyday experience with let you know, you know, when i feed people saying like you have your day in court as in like that's, that's enough to prove whether you're innocent or guilty. it's like, oh my god, that is the most simplified version when i 1st graders it's, it's so different than you think it is. it right and wrong becomes meaningless. it becomes what the effective and what's not this we are speaking with dana, god is spelled about conditions inside the u. s. bureau of prisons, notorious communications management units. we're going to take a short break and come right back with more. so stay tune ah . 2 2

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with what i'm in my chair. this is laura doesn't want that asthma, it affects them, but i know it's up a minute hole i. 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry. aku we're speaking with dana. god has felt the wife of whistleblower marty. got his spelled about conditions inside the notorious communications management unit at the u. s. penitentiary in marion illinois. this is the prison where russian prisoner, victor boot was held for years. dana's husband marty also was incarcerated there and was recently moved to an even worse prison at terre haute indiana. dana, thanks again for being with us. oh, john, i'm uncle. tell you that's a beautiful nice that you have. thank you. i rather like it. i think they've done

a great job here. yeah, thank you. yeah, dana, i know how hard it is for prisoners inside his cm, you to communicate with one another. and when i've communicated with marty, i've always been very careful not to say tell daniel hale that i said hello or tell somebody else that i said hello. has marty said anything to you over the last year or so about victor boot and his conditions inside the marion cmu. yeah. marty has spoken about victor boot. he hasn't referenced him by name. but when he's the phrase figuration. theater was pretty quick, things pick up. i'm in the britney griner. steph, yeah, actually at the time that marty was telling me about this, when they were considering doing the prisoner swap,

marty mentioned that victor had a really bad rash on his body and also a problem with his eye. and he was being denied medical care and marty was wondering if that was biden's way of putting pressure on the situation to force the swap, right? i, i think eventually it is rash cleared up. i'm actually not totally there, but i do remember the largest after me a couple of months ago. i've heard from friends who have served times. i'm sorry, go right ahead, please. no, i brought that to the attention of numerous media people, but nobody oh that's so that's, that's a story in and of itself that here in the u. s. know that happens all the time. yeah. that's just like that. wow. friends of mine who have serve time in c. m. use say that the cells are very, very small. 2 by 3 meters. everything's made of either concrete or steel,

including the bed. the beds are made of concrete, and the prisoners are kept there either $23.00 or 24 hours a day, a couple times a week. they are allowed to exercise for one hour, essentially just walking in circles in a cage that happens to be outside. they're allowed one or 2 short showers a week all while a guard is watching them. and marty has a terrible experience with that. they're rarely allowed to speak to loved ones and attorneys. tell us about all that. how often can you speak with marty and have you actually seen him since he was incarcerated? i'll start with that last question. the last time i saw mar. ready was january 2019 the day at the sentencing. and after that shortly after that he was transferred to the ship,

which is stands for an segregated housing unit. just calling for follow cherry at m c. c new york for a couple of months. and then he went to the cmu and the care home in terra haute, indiana, and then to us marion marion illinois. back out to herd indiana. i have not seen him. i just didn't call no visit. and before that, i had seen him for 5 days during this trial, and i would go up to new york to visit him at m. c. c, new york. on the weekend. a lot of the work, i don't know if you recognize names, but a lot of these are profile jails. help they help unit bomber the sci terra haute is willing, there's always yeah, a lot of the conditions that you described just now. definitely sound like the like

the segregated housing unit like solitary at the, at the care of her. you know, not only that, but the heater and if they don't have proper ventilation during the summer, they call it the burrito cooker because you can travel, breathe on the floor and cook it. it's so punitive it's, it's so terrible and not to mention the bugs and wrote in the infestation. and perhaps most importantly, the water, the water is non foldable or rough. the toilet like it was things like, it's not stuff that you should be doing. and they put it in there for now long just the amount of time that he spent in solitary and so concerning, you know, like in for me why one of

one of the things that really finally landed on me in the troubled teen industry, that it's not how bad it is is when we saw, we watched the video call to watching the kids, and they describe one of the fathers described being helped a little room with just a bucket and just scraping things into the walls. and for me, solitary has always been really scary. and that way, like one of my biggest fears and have to like face to face with some of the parents can't stop carrying about that. it is really scary, especially when it's for months at a time and and especially for helping a girl like justine appellate for penalty was based on penalty was based on the amount that they had to pay to happy. i come back on mine right now in the whole thing is just so frustrating in the amount of people that this is

happening to you is is unbelievable. it makes me feel like, like, should i stay like, should i do i stay and fight or do i just leave the country because it's not worth it anymore. right. and i think everybody answer that question for themselves, but on and i can't believe we're treating people like this. thank you to our guest, dana. god is spelled and the best of luck to her husband. marty got his felt and thank you to our viewers for joining us today. try to keep in mind that we all have a role to play in situations like this. the true measure of our own character is how we treat the poor, the disavowed the accused, the incarcerated, and the condemned. we're all implicated when we allow other people to be mistreated . let's make sure that our friends and families all understand that. i'm john kerry . aku thanks for joining us for another edition of the whistleblowers. we'll see

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