to raise some po koonce to most all science. i think that this was great. of course the one i was interested in that could be there in the berlin, but we're not in an echo chamber. i know that professor, but that as you know, the think tanks and g o z a are arguably in echo chambers we've had from the atlantic council bill saying that one shouldn't redo much significance in this. and the others saying this is incredibly significant. the national security council spokesperson in washington that said that john kirby said we are mindful of the influence the china is trying to grow around the world. and of course this in the context of the fact that us agencies of already labeled china the number one enemy of the united states. or do you think her, there's a battle in washington that's been won by those who see, joiner is an enemy rather than as a partner to cooperate with for

a more prosperous wealth. them are some people of course, are you want on a d. c and the united states same china as a. ready number one, a, me or rival, but the official line of washington d. c, that china is a most, you know, serious challenger to the u. s. and the u. s. lead in the national order and danny's our facial line. if that's a challenge or of course, whatever china us either see, a kind of lost the united states because people in washington, d. c. c, the us, china competition has a 0 sum game, which i think is where on the product that is very common, productive. but of course, the united states of america as people in washington d. c, were trying to water down the significance of the summit. but the fact, these are fact i seen is, like i said just now it has a greater significance both in terms of symbolic and the saucers awful or china as they're going power and number 2 power and also number one and

a trading light on those need a kind of reliable supply of energy which in the us where like off countries produced on the other hand, the ghost hunters also need china as a major power tips. establish a new strategic banners in the region. it was awfully a decent and we shall soviet union and us israel alliance. they are as a owning advantage. i think that's the very reason why there's no stability ever since. of course, even china, joan, in given china's capacity or capability and also china's piece for development, strategizing would be a very positive element in the region and also where, how in my, in the long ro stabilize this situation. there economically speaking, of course channels one by one road in the shave, an effort will also kind of work right into left hand of the countries over there. we'll try to restructure the economy. so that is economy would not so be to alleged

industry, but become more diversified, and the more more balance in the future, as we know, the saudis already have this 20. so to find a new study strategy could devour and of course, china. so, you know, a corporations, china could be very, very productive and the fruitful in this regard. well, ok, hundreds of millions of people from latin america through africa, through se, asia, russia and china may agree with what you are saying. but, you know, in europe and the united states, quite apart from the fact that the saudis, the u. e. the middle east is routinely condemned over human rights issues. china is a routinely on the bbc and cnn, and other a television, no broadcasters, as a, as the growth for human rights violator, of them all, with concentration camps. i'm not sure quite how they argue the draws about the fact that the saudi arabia is the guardian of the holy places of his slum. whilst

scheiner is supposed to simultaneously be anti muslim. it is the narrative last in europe and the united states lis 90 miles to part number one. and only that is loose like that. people who accused china and other countries as the human rights violations loose lack val perfect. they don't have any problems that are 80 mile nations on human rights, which is, are slowly land shoot, not shoes. if you had a history all at present, those people who are accused china, i mean the people are united states or europe. they have a very bloody history of violation of human rights and the colonialism slim re system, and so on, so forth. the junior side, on the leading people lacking army america, united states, america and australia and stuff like that, that history and human prison. we see a lot of discriminations along wireless, a lot of e quality and the gap between region a poor and so as long as columns they are 2,

i is a 1st problem. second problem, of course you china, like in reality, a lack in law, different countries. iraq, of course this countries is not covered as a systems not perfect. there are rooms and needs to be improved dollars because thus we're, we're humanly trying to do. we'll try to you, we're also so a common been a future that's not a problem. the problem is we are, we have the 3rd one that is a dollar standard. you cannot, you not accuse us why you are south says to be per this thomas standard sandwich sample credit last y. and that is phase analysis p was last curly quarterly and become more and more ideally a minority. of course, this is unattractive on the look at it, only 10 percent of colonial population on this side. so to some with our, my point is here. we as a human being one not perfect aim your society. on the

a republican system, there are cross nice to me, saw that on that. that will come, you know, a progress bar. it is wrong. yes, absolutely. nonsense. to say that i'm was one person. i have the moral high ground young one for me to become then and also use even even worse to apply a kind of double standard on those issues that are waiting all of us and not in a candle more difficult and worse in situations not is not is, does now, you know, the argument, intellectual argument used against what you said, usa then g o, they will say what you're engaged in. there is, what about is them? and they're saying, well, we're not perfect. we know, i don't know, they've what overthrown 40 countries around the world in 50 years, their governments and their torturing the british or torturing julian, a sergeant london. we know all that, but it's worth somehow in the global south that that is their standard response.

but isn't china losing the narrative? partly because it seems to be arguing as if there are rational actors arguing with rational actors as it were. i mean, as, as you know, they've already said that china is the enemy. number one, they send warships into the south china sea and they, we em, let's see. i mean, that there, there are continuous remarks from the united states. and my 6 in london, china is the single greatest priority very my 6 china seeks to distort public discourse. the efie i boss china is the biggest long term threat to our economic and national security. why does china behave so often in europe, in the united states, as if they're a, they're going to summer persuade. western capitals of their argument. nice in that is very a ironic and also sometimes even lockable for people who stated a gun. china is no more ending. of course are longer people here in washington and

in the west in china is a number was said in that regard and indeed seems to be a number. and but on the other hand, we say that you by the persons are by then, sir. just a few weeks ago, united nations assembly is that when that is phase, as a nation, does nasty conflict with china when non kind of in a cold war, which china, a se corporation, because 3 sees by them. institution policy goes, china, of course, no more is computation. number 2, of course is confrontations and i to a number 3 is a corporation in the areas as they come into come interests. you wanted to use the c to so we sent for her to forces fighting against each other in washington dc and the in the west in general. on the one hand, the china rise as a threat to them, we optimize. and on the other hand, this is a, it's a necessity. and of course, i also need to work with china on the kind of challenges or human kinds of

facent leg, climate, change, leg, non proliferation of nuclear weapons. and now of course, of the global financial stability and not also on china to out, to mediate or to, to bring an end with his father, will you grin? so it is that kind of self contradictory elements or phenomena always say in the west, of course, china always carry on this piece for development strategies, not just channel, just say that, but china is doing that. i've been doing this for 40 years in history. we know that haitian never before has a major heart keep rising for 40 years without a single gunshot, be fired outside china. that's amazing. that's a fact. that's a reality. we know that all the code, all of the code, all that so many crisis, all along the kosovo crisis, georgia crisis, your current crisis sooner, crisis or so and so forth. and then also crisis in the street,

the crisis in spanish channels the, the crisis between china and japan over the army, austin cockle, ireland. one fact everybody can see all the crisis will never united states in the west, every bar where major every one of them. and not in the war, not a single exception. all those crisis where china play some major role, no single gunshot has been fired in the past 30 years, professor one jim, i'll stop you that more from the director, the institute of the u. s. and pacific studies, and the shy international studies university after this break. ah ah ah,

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welcome back to going on the ground. i am still here with professor one jing from china's shanghai international studies university. are there not cultural gunshots being fired all the time, making out that china is evil in any case and her china. i know it's had some kind of exercise after nancy pelosi visit to taiwan, which was contrary to actual u. s. foreign policy. in terms of recognition of taiwan as part of china jain, i just thought, well, we'll fire a few guns as a some sort of practice this wile 400 military u. s. base. it's in circle china, just on this trip, and they're talking about the petro, you $1.00 and pricing oil in not in dollars. the atlantic council, others, us trying to say, look, this isn't too big a deal. other countries have done it. of course, when other countries from the global south want to price oil in currencies other than the dollar more than often not to their leaders have been assassinated. what

do you think of the dangers for china and for saudi arabia? for talking openly about pricing oil in currencies other than the dollar lead to use that to you is your suggest not to watch a cell number was a town, is your palace a visit to pile our white china as long as you are in a large military operations or exercise a run i want the island pie one actually is the largest ever since that vietnam will end it. of course, the 2nd issue is that we're chinese good. currently use chinese currency that is on me and to pay for the oil or to as a price that the pay for the oil changed by a from saudis. the 1st is your course is a very simple fix united states. and here to what they say, one china policy in which they recognize the people's republic of china is that only legal representative. he legitimate representative of a home china, a united states. never, ever really nice. taiwan, a sovereign state, a nunnery,

god, the number's 3 person, u. s. government speaker. i was a congress, lucy with taiwan, with a military air pen. thus a very obvious violation. armor has all one china policy and also work that encourages cowling in the forces. i am to challenge shyness. armand, he and her integrity. of course, china has a major partners. we're not tolerate this. so that's why 10 launches huge military exercise as detailed. there was no one really cared about that time, you know, and really going on. you really want to use force to attack only need already lose chinese military forces are really enter the so called a 12 miles territory lie and the close as the my miles and we don't see any american military over there. it's kind of strange. so that tells you exactly latch on the one piece. now. ready or ask for the on the pay for the full or full. i said,

now do you feel the blame, the 1st one to play in the united states trying to with a nice little stars try and punish ourselves for the all the use your stance. use of payments. we've tried a sancha against russia if united states trying to use us dollars, which is like local currency grove. ok. we're currently at a womanizer for political purpose. of course, the st. louis sheely message to anyone could use us dollars because they could be a link in the next raw live next one, good united states. i use dollars to bonds though. as number one number cool. we all know that error says whose other name, liquidity, of your honest never been recovered. after all, yes, united states just keep really now the dollars with our e can the limit they called q u. c. conduct no limitation. in other words, you notice united states fire use a full advantage of united star united states,

us a little currency to, you know, who is roy and other countries, including sony's and others. all of this, of course, a very strong. instead of the number one out, the lady payment number to, to prevent all $3.00 and be you know, taking advantage by united states, especially when, when, when there's a shock dollars i've become so kind of the responses gave europe united states. and i think that he's truly understandable both on political started and of course, economic one of you, i mean, as for that military display, wasn't much covered in european capitals anyway, and in the united states. and you think those arguments will be persuasive to antony blinkin. samantha power, that whole edifice of the military industrial complex are when they have $400.00 basis circling china. they have proxies, arguably, in terms of south korea,

japan new zealand, australia, around china. they have warships, routinely britain fans, warships routinely around there. meanwhile, those intellectual arguments are being made that all joiner is interested is mutual prosperity and progress. i do not see that there will be people in washington who say no, there has to be a red lime here and they won't be able to buy oil in the occurrences other than the dollar from saudi arabia. oh and now it, it is a pity that people in washington dc. it will not make a final quiet thing. so this is a thursday so, so so's chinese decision made by china. so this is the 2 countries decided they want to have a study exchange and nobody really kind of in and awful, or this is in the national community that everybody has a park in it. it is not a kind of a wants to listen to the united states on this. yes. a, he's a hedge mom,

but her to some extent the subject line one and number one. and number 2, i said this is also good for the regional stability in total soft economic development and political stability last goes and, and, and i think that he's not a kind of a actually, and i go under my people's interest for the self interest is, will actually be good for everyone and ask for, you know, the alliance and so for so forth. first, i think that if you, you one have a red line won't prevent others to not across it. you have to define what your red line really is. the problem is that on other issues, united states is a play the game most strategic ambiguity so that it can hotter the maximum is of flexibility and minimize the so called commitment fire. if you play the game of strategic ambiguity, of course, others have also a kind of flexibility to play or on. i said, that's

a fair again. but you don't believe that those are governments in the arab world that are doing deals with china or in any danger. sadie arabia the u. e. where i was speaking to you from for trying to add to this multi polar well, because as you know, for decades they have been seen in washington as compliant states with us policy. yes, of course, there is a risk and i think the people, you know, rather countries are leaders, they are now very rational and they are wise, once again, again to prove in the dean, making a very rational decisions as things are fully understand, maybe better than you and me about what the risks really are. they have to do this because of those explosion off know a straight one. and 2 is saying that united states not only want to dominate, dominate or monopolize in the areas of security and economic development. the one

also one who is a dominance in the energy market, because if you are a line that send energy to your, from russia, then they, you have to, you know, depend on the energy from, from great britain, norway, in the united states, in other one way the united states trying to monopolize the supply and demand or other energy market, which of course, is very much a fundamental threat. we'll talk about threat of on the minister and to look at the gulf countries because they are really agree, say lou is good and then use your money to price my products. that's fine. but if you want to determine a dominant wish buyers, combine our oil a wish wish you know which country i can supply my product money is a little too much. i think that's a fundamental reason for salaries to, to gave

a co shoulder to job by the wind prison by don't visit there because they want to make sure they are the one who make a decision. then allow the site, you know, which country they want to supply energy at what price they want to supply. and at one time, at what speed, at one volumes it was, they didn't number one united states to establish a money. this is a increasing gap between strategic desire of united states and is a strategy kimberly the scanner is that even bigger as you know, as a result, we see that it was in the united states and this is alice wanted do cannot match our of all the you know, to want to see actually able to do. and of course, the countries in the iraq countries also see this. this is a weakness that they can take advantage of. and it is exactly this cannot act peter strategy, desire and strategy accountability. dan has, has alo,

mind the stanley region, and the d r. i said when they're trying to strengthen all the standards, their corporation, a relationship with china is larger for, you know, gas but also to kind of achieve a common political. ready and, and monica stability, which is managed by a united states in the class. the kids does it matter that that analysis is not even understood as a dimension in which to contextualize walden politics in western media? does it even matter that the, the circle propaganda or on the nation media speaks of the international community being against china, being against russia, being against that famous meeting between children, being and of letting me put in the, in february where china is willing to work with russia to play

a leading role in demonstrating the responsibility of major powers is what she agent being said, minimized. that kind of news are arguably in nature, nature, media. but what is being emphasized is china is turning against russia and her apparently, joiner is or i don't know, threatening bricks, i suppose to speak location. linda is some issues in the erosion, the china, regarding this war going on your credit. and i don't now see that the 2 countries stand exact on the same page, but other problems can be in the shouldn't be saw. so communications. and because a to congress do have a very solid common ground based on number law. they have a similar concerns in terms of national security. they also have our economies to economy, so really competency with each other. that's why china is very firmly refused to join the sanctions against russia. and also china refer. ready to condemn so called

russia gratian colon into you, chris, i will say that i sent china does have some also some common interest in this list . and for this, with the me, i tried to demonize shine now same as 3 kind of situations where i could distinguish carefully. number one, cause that even laura's, those people may never be to chime over all the facts also have this kind of conscious or subconscious. a prejudice against china or chinese people as a nation. in other words, they need to be educate, as they can kind of course, is those who are very has a very, you know, you will wait well against janet they, they do not see china doing good. there so you shine, as you mentioned that as a me, as i said, the one china to go down this and so forth. another. ready the take, i'm very far a pollution or attitude against can i just can i just ask you finally,

of course the pledge to support cor interest seen as ukraine anti one made between be made with put in and she gin ping is seen in the west. quite differently, especially with the number increased amount of import sation of energy resources from russia, from china. do you think lee, west will so called west will be successful in cleaving apart this alliance between moscow and bay ging using ukraine as a 1st and foremost a china. the rogers never get into a kind of elias in terms of west our lives. they use a partnership, strategic partnership, of course he's which will send him to, to, to a center in russia and china years in the context of new when will i because of the 2 countries, like i said, a do have were a strong come anxious, and also we also know is not only china, other countries like south africa, brazil, and union. of course,

all countries refused to join the sanction and structure. and i remember finding a condo, every one of them, only among the 40 countries, joined the century british roger, which misses minority. so i say that the, your groom bull is a tragedy which finally, rear end were peacefully. of course, by the past. no mean. all those countries had to sign with united states in west against washer because there is a reason for this will, i think, from china on the view. the fundamental reason for this was a cold or mentality and the cold war behavior, a lawsuit and a state of knowledge as nakeema. this cannot codle mentality and behavior where we're going to have more trouble on the ras one ging. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back next week with another brand new episode. but until then, you can still keep in touch by law social media if it's not centered in your country, but you can always head to our channel going on the grantee on rebel dot com to watch new and older thirds of going undergrads. he very soon

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