well, copper cuts are officials, i to a tend to leave the world cup. what does it signify because there's been relatively little press attention in nature, nation media, where is the global south? has it, is there that headline on all and use bulletins. oh, very significant is the 1st time as far as i can remember that chinese talk mostly in a country and you know, i saw symbolic also has losses in that it actually shows that both sides, china and other countries as a strong common ground common interest go in today for which we know there's a lot going on your career and also compensation to united states and china cost. there is a create uncertainty about future bar this summer in china, aerobics countries, all the car council,

a science really show really want to join hands and to bring some pop goods to both sides. i think that this was great. of course, the one i want to enjoy it enjoys it. it's a be that can be there in berlin, but we're not in an echo chamber. i know that professor, but as you know, the think tanks and g o z a are arguably in echo chambers. we've had from the atlantic council bill saying that one shouldn't redo much significance in this. and the other saying this is incredibly significant. the national security council spokesperson in washington said john kirby said we are mindful of the influence. the china is trying to grow around the world. and of course this, in the context of the fact that us agencies have already labeled china, the number one enemy of the united states. do you think there's a battle in washington that being one by those you see joiner is an enemy rather

than as a partner to cooperate with for a more prosperous world. them or some people of course are you want on the d. c and the united states same china as a. ready number one, a, me or rival, but now official line of washington, d. c, that china is a most, you know, serious challenger to the u. s. and the u. s. lead in the national order and dante's official line, if that's a challenge or of course, whatever china us either see, a kind of lost the united states because people in washington, d. c. c, a u. s. channel combination has a 0 sum game, which i think is there on the product that is very common, productive. but of course the united states of america as people in what in the dtc were trying to water down the significance of the summit. but the fact the, the fact i seen is, like i said, just now, it has a great, a significant exposing themselves and buying, and the saucers article,

or china as they're going, how're a number to power. and also number one inch, a trading light on those need a kind of reliable supply of energy which in the us where like off countries produce on the other hand, the gum hunters also need china as a major polyps, establish a new strategic banners in the region it was awfully a decent. we shall soviet union and us israel alliance there. i saw over william in advantage. i think that's the very reason why there's no stability ever since. of course, even china, joan, in given china's capacity or compatibility and also china's piece for development. strategizing will be a very positive element in the region and also where how in mind in the long run, stabilize this situation. there economically speaking, of course, channels one bed, one rolled, initiate an effort will also kind of work right into the hands of the countries

over there who try to restructure the economy. so the economy would not. so you get an industry, but become more diversified and the more more balance in the future, also known as saudis already have this tonya certify a new study strategy with juvenile. and, of course, our china, sir. you know, corporations, china can be very, very productive. and the fruitful and in this regard, well, ok, hundreds of millions of people from latin america through africa, through se, asia, russia and china may agree with what you are saying. but, you know, in europe and the united states, quite apart from the fact that the saudis, the u. e. the middle east is routinely condemned over human rights issues. china is routinely on the bbc and cnn, and other television nerve broadcasters, as a, as a grow. so human rights violator, of them all,

with concentration camps. i'm not sure quite how they argue the choice about the fact that the saudi arabia is the guardian of the holy places of his slum. whilst scheiner is supposed simultaneously be anti muslim, it is the narrative. last in europe and the united states list 19 has 3 pounds, number one, and only that is loose like the people who accused china and other countries as the human rights violations loose lack of down the perfect. we don't have any problems that i am 80. my lease is on human rights, which is our slowly land shoot nachos. if you had history all at present. those people who are accused china, i mean the people are united states or europe. they have a very blunt history of violation of human rights and the colonialism slim re system and so on. so force that human side on the leading people lacking army american, united states, america and australia and stuff like that is us history and human prison. we see that a lot of discriminations along wireless, a lot of

e quality and the gap between region a poor and so as long columns they are too i. that is a 1st problem. second problem, of course you china lack in reality, a lack in law, different countries. irrational, of course this countries is not covered as a systems not perfect. there are rooms are nice to be improved dollars because thus we're, we're humanly and finally do, will travel you process. so account with been a future last not a problem. the problem is we are, we had a certain one that is a dollar standard. you cannot, you know, accused us why you are south says to be perk, this thomas standard song, we're sample credit last y, and that is phase analysis p was last curly quarterly and become more and more ideally, a minority. of course, this is our only talking about the look at it only 10 percent of colonial population on this side. so to some with our,

my point is here. we are a human being one, not perfect aim your society. on the a republican system, there are cross needs to be saw that on that that will come, you know, a progress bar. it is wrong. yes, absolutely. nonsense. to say that i'm was one perfect. i have the moral high ground young the one for me to become then and also use even even worse to apply a kind of double standard on those issues that we make all of us and not in a kind of more difficult and worse in situations. not this is not, is does now out, you know, the arguments, intellectual arguments used against what you said, usa then g o, they will say what you're engaged in there is, what about is them? and they're saying, well, we're not perfect. we know. i don't know, they've what overthrown 40 countries around the world in 50 years, their governments and their torturing the british or torturing julian, a sergeant london. we know all that,

but it's worth somehow in the global south that that is their standard response. but isn't china losing the narrative? partly because it seems to be arguing as if there are rational actors arguing with rational actors as it were. i mean, as, as you know, they've already said that china is the enemy. number one, they send warships into the south china sea and they, the, um, let's see, i mean, that there, there are continuous remarks from the united states and my 6 in london, china is the single greatest priority very my 6 china seeks to distort public discourse. the efie i boss china is the biggest long term threat to our economic and national security. why does china behave so often in europe, in the united states, as if they're a, they're going to summer persuade western capitals of their argument. nice linda, this is very, a ironic and also of sometimes even lockable for people who stated

a gun shyness no more. and of course our lot of people here in washington and in the west in china is a number was read or in that regard. and indeed, seems to be a number and but on the other hand, we say that you, by the persons are, by than just a few weeks ago, united nations assembly. he said that he stays as a nation. that's nasty conflict with china when non canada or cold war which china a state corporation because 3 sees us by them. institution policy goals, china, of course no more is computation. number 2, of course is confrontations and i to a number 3 is a corporation in the areas that say coming into come interest. you wanted to use the c to so we sent for her to forces fighting against each other in washington dc . and the in the west, in general, on the one hand, the shyness rise as a threat to them, we are from life. and on the other hand, this is the necessity. and of course,

i also need to work with china on the kind of challenges with human kinds of facent leg, climate, change, leg, non proliferation of nuclear weapons. and now of course of the global financial stability and not also one china to our, to mediate or to, to bring an end with his father. ready or you quinn. so if he's that kind of self contradictory elements or phenomena was say in the west, of course, china always carry on this piece for development strategies. not just trying to just say that, but china is doing that. i've been doing this for 40 years in history. we know that he should never before has a major heart keep rising for 40 years without a single gunshot, be fired outside china. that's amazing. that's a fact. that's the reality. we know that all the code, all of the end of the code, all as so many crisis, all along the kosovo crisis,

georgia crisis. you quin crisis sooner. crisis or, or san so forth or also crisis in our street. the crisis in south china city, the crisis between china and japan over the army, austin cockle, ireland. by one fact, everybody can see all the crisis will never united states in the west. any bar will play a major. i mean one of them and not in the war, not a single exception, but for all those crisis where china play some major role, no single gunshot has been fired in the past 30 years, professor one jim, i'll stop you that more from the director, the institute of the u. s. and pacific studies. and the shy international studies university. after this greg ah, ah, ah, eileen city,

when the temporary attorneys pre degree higher already from the neighboring town, would you know, right? because the other townships haven't shopped of the trees, but in tucker in the name of development, then in our 1st ship to become a captain like single or we are all going for our nation. discovering all the breeds with gumby. so when you distract nature, it takes a really just, ah ben. hello, mary lou, lou,

melina lyn. money with hey, hey ah, welcome back to going under ground. i am still here with professor wang ging from china's shanghai international studies university. are there not cultural gunshots being fired all the time, making out that china is evil in any case and china. i know it's had some kind of

exercise after nancy pelosi visit to taiwan, which was contrary to actual u. s. foreign policy. in terms of recognition of taiwan as part of china. jane, i just thought, well, we'll fire a few guns as a, some sort of practice this while 400 military u. s. base is in circle china, just on this trip. um, they're talking about the petro, you $1.00 and pricing oil in not in dollars. the atlantic council, others, us trying to say, look, this isn't too big a deal. other countries have done it. of course, when other countries from the global south, $1.00 to price oil in currencies other than the dollar more than often not to their leaders have been assassinated. what do you think of the dangers for china and for saudi arabia? for talking openly about pricing oil in currents is other than the dollar lead to use the to you issues to just not watch a cell number was a family is your palace

a visit to pile wide china as long as fletcher in the large military operations are exercised iran, i want the island pie one actually is the largest ever since that vietnam will end it. of course, the 2nd issue is that we're, china is going to use chinese currencies are based on b and to pay for oil or to as a price that the pay for the oil changed by a phone. saudis, the 1st is your cost is a very simple fix united states. and here to what they say, one china policy in which they recognize the people's republic of china is that only legal representative, legitimate representative of a home china, the united states. never, ever really nice. taiwan a sovereign state and is honoring god the number's 3 person us government speaker of the congress. lucy, very little taiwan with a military airplane. thus a very obvious violation of farmers all one china policy and also work

that encourages cowling in those forces. i am to challenge shyness. armand, he and her integrity. of course, china has a major partners. we're not tolerate this. so that's why 10 launches huge military exercise as a deterrent. there was no one really cared about in our time. no one really i really want to use force to attack. so indeed already was, chinese military forces are really and earth, the so called a 12 miles territory lie and the close as the my miles and we both 80 america military over there. it's kind of strange. so that tells you exactly that china one piece. now. ready or a full on the pay for the full or full. i said, not easy on the blame the 1st much to play in the united states. struggle with her nice little stars. try and punish ourselves for the all the use your science use of

payments. we've tried a censure against russia if united states trying to use us thomas, which is like local currency, global when we're currently at a womanizer for political purposes. of course, the st. louis sheely message to anyone who use us honest because they could be a link in the next rar list. list one, united states. i use dollars to bonds though. as number one. number 2, we all know that error says 2008 liquidity of your honest never be recovered. or yes, united states just keep really not a limit. they call them q sees conduct no limitation. in other words, you last, united states fire use a for advantage of united star united states dollars, us a little currency to, you know, who is roy and other countries, including sony's and others. all of this, of course, a very strong instantly number one out the lady payment number to,

to prevent all $3.00 and be you know, taking advantage by united states, especially when, when women that asian dollars i've become so kind of the responsible, gave europe united states and i think that he's truly understandable on political studied and of course, economic under you. i mean, as for that military display wasn't much covered in european capitals anyway, and in the united states. and you think those arguments will be persuasive to antony, blinking samantha power. that whole edifice of the military industrial complex, when they have $400.00 basis circling china, they have proxies, arguably, in terms of south korea, japan new zealand, australia, around china. they have warships, routinely, britain fans, warships routinely around there. meanwhile, those intellectual arguments are being made that all joiner is interested is mutual prosperity and progress. i do not see that there will be people in washington who

say no, there has to be a red line here, and they won't be able to buy oil in currencies other than the dollar from saudi arabia. oh, i'm sorry. i said not a. it's is a piggyback people in washington dc. it will not make a final choir in some of these days or sorry, stay so, so, so it's china, it's a decision made by china. so these are the 2 countries decided they want to have a study exchange and nobody really kind of in and awful, or this is in the national community that everybody has a park in. it is now a kind of a wants to listen to the united states on this year. so he's an edge mom, but for some extend the subject line war and number one and number 2, i said this is also good for the regional stability in terms of economic development and political stability, thus goes and. and i think that he's not

a kind of a action that or under my people's interest for the self interest is, will actually be good for everyone and ask for, you know, the rent alliance and some for so forth. first, i think that if you, you one have a red line won't prevent us to not across it. you have to define what a red line really is. the problem is that on other issues, united states is a play the game or strategic ambiguity. so that in the higher the maximum is of flexibility and minimize the so called commitment fire. if you play the game of strategy and beauty, of course, others have also a kind of flexibility to player on. i said that's a fair game. but you don't believe that those are governments in the arab world that are doing deals with china or in any danger. sadie arabia the u. e, where i was speaking to you from, for trying to enter this multi polar. well,

because as you know, for decades they have been seen in washington as a compliant states with us policy. yes, of course, there is a risk and i think the people, you know, rather countries are leaders, they are now very rational and very wise, once again, again, the proven that the dean making a very rational decisions i think, is a fully understand maybe better than you and me about what the risks really are they have to do this because after that you know, the closing off know. busy a street $1.00 and $2.00 is safe, that united states not only want to dominate, dominate or monopolize in the areas of security and economic development. the one also wanted to establish a dominance in the energy market. because if you a. ready line that send energy to europe from russia, then they, you have to, you know, depend on the energy from, from great britain,

norway, in the united states. in other words, await the united states, trying to monopolize the supply and demand or energy market. but which of course is very much a fundamental threat. we talk about threat of on the minister and to look up the gulf countries because they are really agree, said lou is good and then use your money to price my products, the fire bar, if you want to determine a dominant wish by years, combine our oil a wish wish you know which country i can supply my product, that is a little too much. i think that's a fundamental reason for salaries to, to gave alco shuler to gym by launch present by don't visit there because they wanna make sure they are the one who make a decision lock of the site. you'll know which countries they want to supply the energy at what price they want to supply. and at one time, at the, at one volumes,

there was not one united states to establish a no take money. this because they say increasing gap between strategic desire of united states and is a strategic kimberly, the scar isn't even bigger. as you know, as a result, we see that it was in the united states. and this is alice wanted to cannot matter of, of, you know, to want to see actually able to do. and of course, the countries in the iraq countries also see that there's still weakness now that they can take advantage of. and it is exactly this cannot act, peter strategy, desire, and strategy come ability. dan, dan has, has under mine the study, you know, region and the b r i sin, when they're trying to strengthen orange, expand at their corporation. a relationship with china. it's not

a fully non against but also to kind of as a come on a political and economic stability which is managed by the 90 states in the past. the case does it matter that that analysis is not even understood as a dimension in which to contextualize warden politics in western media? does it even matter that the, the so called propaganda or on nato nation media speaks of the international community being against china being against russia, being against that famous meeting between gigi and bing, and of letting me put in the, in february where china is willing to work with russia to play a leading role in demonstrating the responsibility of major powers is what she jin being said. minimized. that kind of news are arguably in nature, nature, media. but what is being emphasized is china is turning against russia and there,

apparently, joiner is or i don't know, threatening bricks, i suppose is the location. linda, there is some issues in the erosion, the china, regarding this war going on your credit. and i do not say that the 2 countries stand exact on the same page, but other problems can be in the shouldn't be saw. so communications and that because a to congress do have a very solid common ground based on number law. they have similar concerns in terms of national security. they also have our economies to economy, so really compensate with each other. that's why china is very firmly refused to join the sanctions against russia and also china. ready refers to condemn, so called russia, russian colon quote, into ukraine. i will say that i sent china does have some also some common interest in his west and for this with the media trying to demonize shine. now,

same as 3 kinds of situations where to distinguish carefully. number one, cause ideally, morris, those people may never be to chime over over the fact also have this kind of conscious or subconscious, a prejudice against china or chinese people as a nation. in other words, they need to be educated, as they can kind of course is those who are very has a very, you know, you will with well, against china. they, they do not see china doing good there. see china. you mentioned that as a me, as i said, the one china to go down this and so forth. another. ready the take on very far pollution or attitude against can i just can i just ask you finally, of course the pledge to support cor interest seen as ukraine anti one made between be made with put in and she gin ping is seen in the west quite differently.

especially with the number increased amount of import sation of energy resources from russia. from china. do you think the west will so called west? we'll be successful in cleaving apart this alliance between moscow and bay ging using ukraine as a 1st little most a china, the rogers never get into a kind of a lice in terms of west our lives. use a partnership, strategic partnership. of course it, he's wish was thinking to, to, to separate russia into china use in the context of you, quinn wyatt because of the 2 countries. like i said, a do have, were a strong come interest. and also we also know is not only china, other countries like south africa, brazil, and you know, of course, all those countries refused to join the sanction guns. russia and i've met her family, come every one of them. only among the 40 countries joined the century. british roger which misses minority. so i say that the you groom bull is

a tragedy which frightened bria and were peacefully of course by no means all those countries had 2 sided with united states in west against washing because there is a reason for this war. i think from china on the view, the fundamental reason of all this was our cold woman ality and the cold war behavior. a lawsuit and a state of knowledge. but nakeema, this cannot codle mentality and behavior. we're, we're going to have more traveled on their ras one ging. thank you, and that's it for the show. will be back next week with another brand new episode. but until then you can still keep in touch by law social media. if it's not centered in your country, but you can always head to our channel going on the grantee on rebel dot com to what you handle that shirts of going under grants. he very soon. ah ah

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