you know, we might be physically strong, but you know, are we emotionally weak? mustang are incarcerated here. and alarm will. my biggest fear was and he goes back into a d. had on the board about memory minor. my says gray phrases charles policy. and he said, your son used to say he wish he'd come to prison just so he can be with you. in that moment i said, this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to, to do. they say, you said if you are thinking you is dead, you never too old to find out peace with your children, which yourself. mm

hm. this prison is with me and to more like to always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if a given opportunity. mm. ah. everybody's watching everything they do. everywhere they go everywhere they gather. they have to really, really, really b up or to make this happen. they have to worry about being put in the whole they have to worry about being moved to another prison depending on how hard they pushed . they don't wanna be too vocal because they don't want to be signaled out as a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn . they can move them at any time. they could be take, you know, just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's

nothing i can say or do about it. i'm pretty sure they steal down all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can argue. cameras in every classroom, by soon as we got a class, when cameras are coming up with them because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening, but as good. not only put a camera in here, you can come and sit in our classroom and you can learn to with maturity, you think passively tooth, once intelligence without the guidance of another well cat is conveyed is that no one, not even a monarch, government can impede enlightenment of the public eye. okay. okay. i, i thought it was, i thought it was difficult read. i thought it was,

there were korea, i mean that's what i graph of from it. you know, i'm not enough. i'm right or wrong. this is my so and it's not about right or wrong about interpretation. no one can say of your interpretation is one. we don't have a manual can here to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars, will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because there's a lot of people here who are under idea that you are kind of exceeded our boundaries as chris emerge. if somebody is lying to you, if somebody is a guy, i'm always been so scared about how i've looked on the paper the death of corey, how him being a young college kid and me being just, you know,

some hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become or my manager has something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody was ever give me a chance. ah, washington state does not have pool waiting up a role in the early ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant sensors. in other words, i'm going to send to you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced, doesn't matter what you do in prison. that's your sense. washington has started to figure out that system is not very jobs, but it doesn't work. and so they started to bring parole back. actually brought

girl back for sex offences and the other group is juvenile. it's commodity had committed the crime. $61.00 days earlier each 2 months passed his 18th birthday, he would have been a juvenile, can he be eligible for parole to the problem with punishment? the problem with setting a life without parole sentence for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years. ah, it was never really something that i was intending to have while i just got curious i because there was a lot of people who actually going home to crunch the 1st thing i did is i kind of started writing letters to some attorneys. busy about what was possible and then a week, you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call he said that doing my clements. he will be something he will be willing to do. ready today we filed

a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodity sense, asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go. the different family members that have been to prison and seen him even some that went and spoke with him. different people would tell me he's changing. he's trying to be a better person, but their plan wasn't ready to accept then. ah, i had thought about reaching out to him. i start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably, maybe 6 or 7 times. and then i just said, okay,

forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, kimani send me a message. i read it. me read it a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled in as a spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his message that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago, i didn't, i'm not gonna forget what happened at the but i forgave you. as i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive, you said not only am i for giving you for what you did,

i have to forgive you to allow myself to move on and to heal. ooh, while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the tools to be a mother. she grew out in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was in lavin. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love art. she didn't have, she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter today and i'll always miss the nyah and i would be 23 years old now that i want her to have a 2nd chance. you know?

because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in la via fighting for this bill. i mean, i was a mother trying to fight for her son and i for people to get out on parole. but all these victims came in and i thought, you know, will after the victim to, you know, and i thought, you know what, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill. where they got to say, i'm a victim and i am against this bill. i'm going to be, i'm a victim. and i'm for this bill. when we are in this dichotomous, either victim or you're a perpetrator, it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we have them, we're all victims of the sister. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice meant and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had it with the black prisons caucus over 20

years. i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically will be contextualize when is happen so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior to each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people can atone for their actions. and where handed forgiveness can be accomplished something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more

in terms of race relations in prison. and anybody who had ever worked at that prison that included professional staff. ah, we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. merritt teen a change in his sentence. i think that is more about them being able to see the command that i've become and not the commander that i watch. so i think that they deny me as because they haven't got past that point me a call, you will not be charged for this. call. this call is from an inmate at a correction center. what's calls will be recorded and monitored, and he was to brock anything because of this nature dial 7. now, to accept this call, press 5. now to decline this call. hey,

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oh, i don't mean like no, no changes. i do not. i don't know for worse myself in prison. i better worse myself. i don't want to lose faith. elinor continued more along. what you dorn, because you're helping the next person get out of jail and continue to stay out of jo to be about a father. saw brother, personal society ah, the cyber shadow, only you locked up which of

my interest is in people like commodity who've worked on rehabilitation and who've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison. it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will. because i believe that somebody like community makes our community a better community. ah, this is that they're all on the same just in different stages of right so. so this only works yes. so that one's really, really right. and there are some that turned proposal just different variety. i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th.

during that time i worked went to school and now i am still on monetary community, gusty and i live with my family. i'm dis tried to. ah, you now. ah, 3 wills, it's all free or is not equitable. so if you have the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources to have to open to me, how free am i to really choose? and as long as society davies up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are fool society. the

state, the government institutions, all these words that we're, that are big an amorphous that, that we're trying to trying to make this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us with our tuesday about is we're right. we get to the about just is right. what is justice? i'm with

what council mind when we hear the word justice person, would you say more on call room with her okay. was oh corruption co roma person from a friend operation. oh and i don't wanna veil but you guys are being a little bit negative right? because justice is related to all the bad the there has has happened was right. so yeah, of course we, can we go with the negative, right? because of all of these there. i mean, go room, well being in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do

a justice system. yeah. okay. so, so let me, let me make gonna rephrase that. when i, when i think up just is our dba, this plasma by year and in teach by, in general, with all the class is doing it. if door nature, justice i at some point in life there was something that was missing from marcell opportunity that we never had. right? so by i was going to 13 the chairs, something new, something that can empower. i think he's doing the church just. mm hm. justice is the penalty or reward for one's actions as i penalty or reward because justice can be serving a good way or so. i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me, some shape or form. and that to me is justice. the good things that i do, we've actually come back to me in a go and,

and bad things. i do actually come back to me in a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always watching justice isn't. is in a thing disliking now if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice, but just this is even bigger than that just as she controlled it. things that you'd normally nobody else is watch an awesome justice has to be individualized. justice has to ask, how is the community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? one is just that's a tough one. i'm not certain oliver. no what justices. justice . i'm not sure if i ever thought about that much just to our part in the system and

in the next part, how to do their part the the lawyers on both sides in the judges. but i would still feel good about the bar. i did a this is not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's a trip because we got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison, could have the answers to our problems. ah, we do not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge to have the answers to their reality. ah,

because we have people with ph. d and master's degrees, who then have been certified to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a, in a system where we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan. they just change a name and it's gang. those brothers, no gang. so for all of the classes that we offer to some, we can't wait just for people in prison. aaron's children have the solutions to our problems. and what we will do it 10 years. if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some mom. i will put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. don't think it's natural ah, because they got the deal. see the deal. t lo bed were the chechen center, the juvenile system. everybody's in the business, ah,

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