alarm will, my biggest fear was and he goes back in with d, had on the board about memory. money must says gray phrases transparency. and he said, your son used to say he wish he could come to prison just so he can be with you. in the moon with i said, this is what you've left your child in this woman and your family to to do they say, you said if you were thinking you is dead, you never too old to find that peace. which of children which yourself. mm hm. this prison is me into more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are

a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if give an opportunity. mm. ah, everybody's watch and everything they do. everywhere they go everywhere they gather, they have to really, really, really b up or to make this happen. they have to worry about being put in the whole. they have to worry about being moved to another prison, depending on how hard a push they don't wanna be too vocal, because they don't want to be signal out as a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn . they can move them at any time they could be take, you know, just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. i'm pretty sure they still, doubtless,

all the way up to this point, but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can't argue. cameras in every classroom, by soon as we got a classroom camera start coming up in because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what happened. but as good. not only put a camera here, you can come and sit in our classroom. when you learn to maturity incapacity tooth ones intelligence without the guidance of another. well, cat is conveying is that no one, not even a monarch or making impede enlightenment of the public eye. okay. okay. um, i thought it was, i thought it was difficult read, pull. i thought it was the record. i mean that's what i graph of from it. you know, i'm not enough. i'm right or wrong. this is my so and it's not about right or wrong

is about interpretation. no one can say if your interpretation is wrong, we don't have a manual, can't hear to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars, will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because there's a lot of people here who are under. i see that that when you are kind of expanding our boundaries as prisoners, if somebody is lying to you and somebody is a guy, i've always been so scared about how i've looked on the death of corey, how him being a young college kid and me being just, you know, some hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become or my manager

has something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody would really ever give me a chance. ah, washington state does not have pool to wake up a role in the early ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant sentences. in other words, i'm going to send you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced, doesn't matter what you do in prison. that's your sense. washington has started to figure out that system is not very jobs, but it doesn't work. and so they've started to bring parole back, actually brought parole back for sex offences. and the other group is juvenile is kemati, had committed the crime. $61.00 days earlier, each 2 months passed his 18th birthday. he would have been

a juvenile. can he be eligible for parole today? problem with punishment. the problem with setting a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time and the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years. ah, it was never really something that i was intending to have while i just got curious because there was a lot of people who are actually going home to crunch. the 1st thing i did is i kind of started writing letters to some attorneys about what was the possible and within a week, you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call. he said that doing my clements. it will be something that he will be willing to do. today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodities sent,

asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go the in a different family members that have been to person and seen him even some that went and spoke with him, different people would tell me he's changing, he's trying to be a better person. but their plan wasn't ready to accept then ah, i had thought about reaching out to him. i'm start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably. maybe 6 or 7 times and then i just said, okay, forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, kimani send me

a message. i read it. i waited a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled in as a spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his message that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago, i am not going to forget what happened. and so, but i forgave you. as i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive, you said not only am i for giving you for what you did at to forgive you to allow myself to lavon into heal. ooh.

while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the tools to be a mother. she grew out in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was in lavin. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love art. she didn't have, she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter to day and i'll always miss in iowa. and i would be 23 years old now that i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in olympia fighting for this bill. i was

a mother trying to fight for her son and i for people to get out of pearl. but all these victims came in the 2nd year, and i thought we know well after the victims who you know, and i thought, you know what, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill where they go up and say, i'm a victim and i am a guest, is bill i'm going to be, i'm a victim and i'm for this bill. now, we are in this dichotomous, either victim or you're a perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we understand we're all victims of the sister. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice meant and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had with the black prisons caucus over 20 years . ringback i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically,

we contextualize what has happened. so that if not just i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior to each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people can atone for their actions and where the hand of forgiveness can be extended. the prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison. that every once in a while, prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplish something that

deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison. and anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff. ah, we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. merit team a change in his sentence. i think that is more about them being able to see the commodity that i've become and not the commodity that i was. so, you know, i think that they deny me as because they haven't got past that point me a call you will not be charged for this. call. this call is from an inmate at

correction center what's called will be recorded and monitored. and he was to brought anything to the cause of this nature. dial 7 now to accept this call, press 5. now to decline this call. hey, thank you. i leave the la city where the temporary attorneys, pre hire already from the neighboring town. you know, right? because the other townships haven't shopped of the trees, but in type got in the name of development. any of our 1st ship to become a captain like singapore. we are all going for i believe they should. i just covering all the grades we've gone. so when you distract nature, it takes every range of ah,

i've actually found safety and embraces naziism as a job. all of a sudden you're placed in a position where i can defend myself. now, i don't have to be afraid anymore. on one hand, i'm terrifying that they're going to find out a jewish, but on the other, i think it's so far away. i distinctly remember my mom sitting me down one night and her st. johns are going to hurt. one guy hunch me, find my ear, and aren't somebody shelf now in the rest of the punch was restored to fly and somebody shouted out, died, you boy died. and at that point i knew they're stuck back. remember, had an indian doctor. they came in and looked and said, there is no medical reason why you're you should be a luck. you to find something to believe. john story is a story of ho story, victory and whatever i can do to help him i would oh,

i may no, no changes. i do normally don't a prison or worse myself in prison. i made a worse, marcia, i don't want to lose faith. i wanted to cheer more along what you door because you're helping the next person get out of jail and continue to stay out of jo. to be about a father. saw brother, personal society, ah, the global shadow only you lock the hardware. which of my interest is in people like commodity,

who worked on rehabilitation and who've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison, it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will, because i believe that somebody like commodity makes our community a better community. ah, this van this, they're all i'm saying just in different stages of right so. so this only one. yes . for that one's really, really. right. and there's something that turn proposal just different variety. i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th. during that time i worked with the school and now i am still on monetary

community. gusty and i live with my family. i'm just trying to, ah, figured out ah, 3 wills, it's all free or is not equitable. so if you have all the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources they have to open to me how. ready free am i to really choose and as long as society davies up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to, for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are fool

society, the state, the government, institutions, all these words that we use that are big, an amorphous that, that we're trying to trying to make this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us with ours. you see a bucket. we're why are we get about just it, right? what is justice? i'm with what come to mind when we hear the word justice person

with more co room with her. okay. was oh corruption, co roma prison for brandon operation. oh mm hm. and i don't wanna veil but you guys are being a little bit negative, right. because justice is related to all the bad the the has has happened was right . so yeah, of course we can't, we go with the negative, right? because of all the teams there. i mean, go room. well, been in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do a justice system. yeah. okay. so, so let me,

let me make gonna rephrase that. when i, when i think up, just as i seemed gone these pleasant by year and in theory by, in general, with all the classes. if doing, if, if the, if the one, the child, justice i, because at some point in life there was something that was missing from ourselves. now cartoony that we never had. right? so by i was gonna pitching the chair is something new, something that can empower us? i think he's doing the church does. mm hm. justice is the penalty or reward for one's actions. i say penalty or reward because justice can be serving a good way or so. i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me as some shape or form. and that to me is chest is the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me in a go and, and bad things. i do actually come back to me in

a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always watching justice is in is in a thing dislike. you know, if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice. blake justice is even bigger than that. justice should control the things that you'd normally nobody else is watch. an awesome justice has to be individualized justice hass to ask how is the community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? one is just, that's a tough one. i'm not certain oliver know what justices justice . i'm not sure if i thought ever thought about that much just to our part in the system and in the next part, how to do their part the the lawyers on both sides in the judges. but i was still

so good about the bar i did. oh, isn't not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison, could have the answers to our problems. ah, we do not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge can have the answers to their reality. ah, because we have people with the master's degrees,

who then have been certified to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a system where we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan and they just change a name. and it's gang, those brothers, no gang. so for all of the classes that we offer to some, we can't wait just for people in prison. aaron's children have the solutions to our problems. and what we will do it 10 years. if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some lab. i will put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. don't think it's not true. ah, because i got the deal. c. v lp. the bed were the chechen center, the juvenile system. everybody's in the business, ah, and they wait for the education system to fail. our babies so that they go in there

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