in that moment, i said, this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to, to do. they say, you said if you are thinking you use it, you never too old to find that piece which your children, which yourself mm hm. this prison is me into more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if a given opportunity. mm hm. ah, everybody's watching everything they do. everywhere they go. everywhere they gather,

they have to really, really, really be above board to make this happen. they have to worry about be putting the whole they have to worry about being moved to another prison, depending on how hard they pushed. they don't wanna be too vocal because they don't want to be signaled out as a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn . they can move them at any time. they could be take, you know, just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. i'm pretty sure they still, doubtless, all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can argue. cameras in every classroom, i sort of, we got a classroom camera are coming up with them because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening, but as good. not only put a camera in here, you can come and sit in our classroom and you can learn to with

maturity. thank pass to be to use ones intelligence without the guidance of another well can is conveyed is that no one, not even a one our government can impede enlightenment, of the public eye. okay. okay. um, i thought it was, i thought it was difficult read, pull. i thought it was, there were korea, i mean that's what i graph of from it. you know, i'm not enough. i'm right or wrong. this is my so and it's not about right or wrong about interpretation. no one can say of your interpretation is wrong. we don't have a manual can here to be able to ask them, what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this and at the end of the day,

that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because a lot of people here who are under i see that there are kind of exceeded our boundaries as prisoners. if somebody is lying to you, if somebody is a guy, i've always been so scared about how i've looked on people the death of corey, how him being a young college kid and me being just, you know, some hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become or my manager i guess something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody was really ever give me a chance. ah, washington state does not have pool waiting up for role in the early

ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant sentences. in other words, i'm going to sent to you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced, doesn't matter what you do in prison. that's your sense. washington has started to figure out that system is not very jobs, but it doesn't work. and so they've started to bring parole back. actually brought girl back for sex offences and the other group is juvenile. it's commodity had committed the crime. 61 days earlier in 2 months passed his 18th birthday. he would have been in juvenile and he'd be eligible for parole today. problem with punishment. the problem with setting a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years.

ah, it was never really something that i was intending to have while i just got curious . i because there was a lot of people who actually going home to crunch. the 1st thing i did is i kind of started writing letters to some attorneys about what was the possibility. but then a week, you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call he said that doing my clements. it will be something that he will be willing to do. ready today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodity sentence, asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go. the

different family members that have been to prison and seen him even some went and spoke with him. different people were telling me he's changing. he's trying to be a better person at that point where he wasn't ready to accept then, ah, i had thought about reaching out to him. i start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably, maybe 6 or 7 times. and then i just said, okay, forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, kimani send me a message. i read it. me read it a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled ines, a spirit of forgiveness. ah. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his

message that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago. i am not gonna forget what happened at the but i forgave you. as i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive, you said not only am i for giving you for what you did, i have to forgive you to allow myself to move on and to heal. ooh, while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the

tools to be a mother. she grew out in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was in lavin. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love art. she didn't have, she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter to death and i'll always miss in iowa. and i would be 23 years old now that i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in columbia fighting for this bill. i mean, i was a mother trying to fight for her son and i for people to get out on parole. but all these victims came in the 2nd year, and i thought, you know, will after the victims who you know, and i thought, you know, well, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill. well, they go up and say, i am a victim, and i am against this bill. i'm going to be, i'm a victim, and i'm for this bill. now, we are in this dichotomous,

either victim or you're a perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we understand we're all victims of the sister. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice meant and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had it with the black prisoners caucus over 20 years. i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically will be contextualize what has happened so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior to each of us has the

capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people can atone for their actions. and where handed forgiveness can be extended. the prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison. that every once in a while, prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplish something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison. and anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff. ah,

we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. merit team a change in this sense. i think that is more about them being able to see the come on in that i've become and not the community that i was. and so you know, i think that they deny me as because they haven't got past that point me. he has a call. he will not be charged for this call. this call is from an inmate at a correction center. it's called will be recorded and monitored. if you wish to block anything to the cause of this nature, dial 7. now, to accept this call, press 5. now to decline this call. hey, thank you. oh, lisa canter. russian state little. never. i've stayed on the most. i'm skiing

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down would you know, right? because the other down ships haven't chopped up the trees, but in type got in the name of development in our 1st ship to become a captain like singapore. we are all going for advantage. they shouldn't just covering all the grades we've gone b. so when you distract nature, it takes a range of ah oh, is your media a reflection of reality? with in the world transformed what will make you feel safe? isolation, community?

are you going the right way or are you being that somewhere? direct? what is true? what is faith in the world corrupted? you need to descend a join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. oh no, no, no charges. i do not wanna prison. i wash myself in prison in ah matter worse, marcia. i don't want to lose faith allowing me to cheer more along. what you dorn,

because you're helping megs 1st get out of jail and katrina, stay out of jo to be about her father. saw brother, personal society, ah, global shadow only you lock the reach of my interest is in people like commodity who worked on rehabilitation and who've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison, it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will. because i believe that somebody like community makes our community a better community. ah,

this is than this. they're all on the same just in different stages of right. so this only one. yes. for that one's really, really. right. and there's something that turn proposal just different varieties i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th. during that time i worked with the school and now i am still on monetary community, gusty and i live with my family. i'm just trying to, ah, you are now ah, 3 wills. it's all free or is not equitable. so if you have the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources to have to open to

me how. ready free am i to really choose and as long as society davies up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to, for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are fool a society, the state, the government institutions, all these words that we use that are big, an amorphous that, that we're trying to trying to make this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us

with how would you say about these were? why are we get about just is right. what is justice? i'm with what comes to mind when we hear the word justice person with more co room with her. okay. was oh corruption, co roma prison for brandon operation. 0 one

i don't wanna veil but you guys are being a little bit negative, right. because justice is related to all the bad the, the has, has happened was right. so yeah, of course we, can we go with the negative, right? because of all of these there. i mean, go room, well being in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do a justice system. yeah. okay. so, so let me, let me make gonna rephrase that. when i, when i think up, just as i think on these pleasant by year, in theory, by, in general, with all the classes, if do and if the one, the chair just if i because at some point in life there was something that was missing from our field now were duly that we never had. right. so by i was gonna pitching the chair is something new, something that can empower us? i think he's doing the church does

justice is the penalty or war from one's actions. i say penalty or reward because justice can be serving a good way or so. i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me as some shape or form. and that to me is chest is the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me and i go and, and bad things i do actually come back to me in a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always watching justice is it is in a thing dislike. you know, if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice. but justice is even bigger than that. justice should control the things that you'd normally nobody else is watch. an awesome justice has to be individualized justice hass to ask how is the community harms and

how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? one is just, that's a tough one. i'm not certain knowledge, no one justices justice. i'm not sure if i thought ever thought about that much just to our part in the system and in the next part, how to do their part the the lawyers on both sides and the judges. i was still so good about our i did oh, this is not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's

a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison. could have the answers to our problems. ah, we do not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge can have the answers to their reality. ah, because we have people with ph. d 's master's degrees, who then have been certified to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a system where we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan. they just change a name and it's gang. those brothers, no gang. so for all of the classes that we offer to some, we can't wait just for people in prison, aaron's children have the solutions to our problem and what we will do it 10 years

. if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some that, well, i will put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. don't think it's natural . ah, because i got the deal. see the deal, t federal detention center, the juvenile system, everybody's in the business. ah, and they wait for the education system to fail. our babies so that they go in there . mm. that i want to blame d r c because it took a whole lot of institutions to get them there. we fail. we failed them in spite of that they've got me . ah,

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very difficult time time to sit down and talk. i've actually found safety in the embrace of naziism as a joke. all of a sudden you're placing a position where i can defend myself. now, i don't have to be afraid any more. on one hand, i'm terrified that they're going to find that i'm jewish, but on the other, i think it's so far away. i distinctly remember my mom sitting me down one night and her st. john, they're going to her one lunch. me. hi my, here are some of the show. now. the rest in the punch is just started flying and somebody shouted out, died you boy died. and at that point i knew i remember had an indian doctor. they came in and looked and said, there's no medical reason why you should be alive. you to find something to believe,

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