i think we would all agree that at least formally, europe is united in seeing russia defeated in ukraine. ok when lose, but then you go down a level and well, what is that really mean? and that is really which plaguing the western world and their approach to this conflict. because you have president the french president of crown you have, the german chancellor shows talking about vaguely talking about what has to happen after the conflict. they're not really do dwelling too much on the minutia how they get there. now, you know, the baltic republican poland, you have the check republic their top, they're basically no talks, no contact, no future. and we, famously, we had a deputy, a foreign minister in poland saying that russia doesn't even deserve security guarantees. so this is where we stand. i would say this is not a winning strategy for the west. no, it's not loading stress you. i mean, there's a great deal of somebody about in the dog searching for the black cap in the black

room, you know, on the black chair which doesn't exist. and i think that the problem we've got is that the more we look at the conflict within the dimension of european union, morrissey, division division, which has been around for quite a long time. you know, we talk about old europe and new europe. you know, that's an argument with sugar by the bronze age. some people might say that that's the comparison we should meet with the union, but you know more reason. i think it was don't run schools. who said the interesting, the old europe, when he was referring to eastern european countries, supported the americanization of iraq in 2003 and, and the europe in union of france and germany didn't. i think that's probably for most people sort of reference. but, you know, that's where that's where there's a real division within so called foreign policy. if we can imagine if we, if we will do your opinion and has a foreign policy of some sort. so we've got a real problem with division. most of these are eastern european countries are going along with a plan,

which they don't really believe in real worries about because they're thinking much more, the longer term rushes and, you know, and also many of these countries when they joined your opinion, launched most of them joined in 2004, a couple of joy later in 2006. i was an in brussels mac. come with it. it was interesting that hardly any got any say whatsoever in terms of how the joint. whereas france, you know, had a real, a field day in there, in the french exception, a little the rules that it was to do to. and germany as well as we've been worried about franco german acts just for very long time. the expansion into each new was supposed to compromise, but frankly, german actually still haven't happens. the frank as human actions is still the old argue, is even more germanic whenever, you know, but a lot of these eastern european countries are really starting to wake up. now about what the real deal is, most of them are atlanta says, most of them are much alliance america and to night. so know very,

very worried about the european union flexing its muscles and goes to play one day having its own army and is on foreign policy because god knows what would happen in ukraine if that were to happen. so, you know, there's so many of us on the horizon for us to look at so many, let's go conundrums to tackle. but no one has the own. so these idea that these guys in the west know what's going to happen like this, the idea that they have an end game is noticed that only have a present game. i will argue little bit later that russia does have an end game, and that's what it makes it. that's the difference in this conflict. ok, exactly. so it's very interesting is if you look at the baltic, republics, you look at poland and i'm really glad that martin brought up the franco german access. isn't there not appealing to paris or to berlin? they're always appealing to washington. and this is say that russia divide, you know, this is what it's about your, it's the u. s. u s. keeps the franco german alliance on one side. and it pushes the

new europe on another, which of course, is inherently division. that actually the point is that the u. s. want to war, but not against russia, against or europe again. so you put an economy is, this is germany economy because we are on the, on the, on the brink of, of an economic disaster. if you look at the travel reference from to united states, he was supposed to get a drop in the us gas prices. it didn't get it, and the u. s. guys process is 4 times more expensive than the written one. it was supposed to dissuade joe biden from i, i brings planned to support the u. s. economy. it didn't get it. it was, it just has the right to say that it was, it was all the fault of russia and ready me put in. and if you look out, you are talking about a short look at the trouble of shoulds in china is a complete for the us. well, it didn't get anything. and no, you have german,

a comic because we are about to sell some chinese cars. and you have a european union, a continuing to texas, it all decisions such as the end of the heat engine was the chinese as a 1st place for the production of any 3 cars. so we are on the brink and then you can be just there because a stupid, you know, your pin decision and the, the most know that you, you said the right word, stupidity ok. finish it. ok. because because a martin, i'm glad i didn't want, i didn't, hadn't, hadn't thought about bringing a chinese here. but the chinese don't even take the european seriously. they see what the europeans have done is become publicans to the us or the chinese or say, well, we have to talk to washington to deal with the europeans. that's essentially what's happening martin here and you know, this, this old argument of multilateral and violence. the chinese decided, well, i don't think it just, i don't think for a long time they've been, they've decided that they can work much more successfully talking to you my

mistakes on a one to one level. you know, because because again, this lack of critical to, for the, you know, the, is going through a crisis right now. if you look what just happened just the last few days in brussels, we've had a corruption scandal which was really sent shock waves right across the continent. but the people that were in the most of the, the die hard federalists in brussels, who are worried about the long term stability of the project itself. you know, when i was in brussels, my writing to 3995 from almost the moment. the moment i arrived all i heard from people work in european commission on the dinner party circuit. was this worry this if they were present this similar, this metaphor. also the eve being an old man. no dutchman riding a bicycle. and the worry is that the old muscles of the bicycle and back home. and this is really if that was the worry and 995. imagine what the panic on through

brussels is right now. so, you know, i mean peace traditionally or your officials were always giving jobs to the friends . we give it contracts to who was political lines them. we've broken the mode now with the middle east and taxes and sending suitcases or 600000 years around shoot apartments in brussels. i mean, this really does show you the best and worst of the european union if you've got that kind of corruption of that kind of lever where people just send you money like, like somebody might send you pizza, you know, then, you know, how long has it been you to god, i would argue that some were looking at the game is actually the you itself and people are starting to panic because they are real. to me. the next most important dates for ukraine is 2024. so many reasons you probably haven't got time to go into, but the main one is the me that you will have its next real crisis with the lowest

voter turnout. so suppose it's on europe in elections and the highest turn out to saw right groups. and if we get to the situation with the european parliament as a majority for the 1st on the far right groups, then you've got to complete antithesis. but what your opinion stands. it's interesting that the, the washington's name was to corral and united europe in favor of ukraine, but exactly the exact opposite is happening. it's the law of unintended consequences. this was supposed to be these people in washington. you know, i mean, i, low off pain thinkers, you know, well, you know, europe will crush their economy. they'll be dependent on us and will make them b, r flat in ukraine. well, it's all in tatters now. exactly. yeah. yeah. because you know, in my opinion, for the west and especially for washington, there was only one plane, a plan, a and there isn't a plan the, the plan a we're going to. but i remember was to say to victoria, no such are never seen the never seen sanctions in russia. so

the russian economy will collapse and the people are going to the street. not only will be president, and it will be shared the, the russian territory in different us. exactly. wanted to do the no conservative a little bit in the united states, but it didn't happen. and there is another point that we are, again, on the brink of an economy collapse, but we are in europe. i mean, on the brink of a military collapse. because if you look at the western media, there was a say that we have a ridiculous emissions reserves probate us from bay wedding, a say we're against russia, so we can't do anything. we can do an economical. we're in russia. we have no more ammunition to fight against russia and exactly what cisco twitter, or actually risha doesn't need any more guarantee of security because russia demilitarize in nato. actually,

that was what they did in ukraine till the end of this year. they're going to do it . no. again, the 2nd army, the net, to kevin army, and the director. is them actually? yeah, you're, you're absolutely right. and that's why, again, we get always get this projection, you know, talking about loose nukes and all that. it's the west martin that has been talking about the, the possible deployment of a nuclear weapon in this context. exactly. for the reasons the exactly just said, is it not only is ukraine being demilitarized nato, whatever. however, it was in the lines in the 1st place is being depleted as well that it is much more, you know, and also i think the whole argument somebody makes very well a is a very good example of just how much b s were being fed by major in the way about russia being our enemy, if russia was really already made, do you think you'd have this depletion of

a military stock so quick and so rapidly as it, as it was notes? it's fake. russia is not our intimate, but it's an excuse me, is a convenient enemy for so many political agendas and largely to forward the, the, the, the ambitions of the year been a nature the name. so is, you know, you talk about the nukes and nature for me. you know, this talk about nukes is just that it's only ever going to be talk. and i think everybody's waking up this reality that made. ready so seems apparently to gain some credibility. ready and i lost his identity before he craned on people at macro . but we're making these ridiculous comments about being brain dead, you know, but it seems to gain a certain amounts of kudos amongst many westerners, but is a rescue. i would say among the elite, this isn't in the agenda here. ok. all right, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after the heart rate will continue our discussion on some real new state with

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with joggers archipelago home and she goes to san diego garcia, the largest island in the archipelago is now the location of a very large u. s. military base. you could go with a u. s. government to make the military base and just deported all of juggle, send people from their country. so they called returned back on the island. no, but we are fighting. that's why i'm real fighting for the right. so i, we do not consider that the right to self determination actually applies to the trickle. since i don't the question of self determination, the legal advice we've received is actually the trickle. since we're not, i'm not a people for me, it's time to move on and see what we can do. a full the child said community to

return back home. there is no support from the united nation. nice mission, african united, michelle. i don't care about checklist and people ah, welcome back to cross stock, were all things are considered? i'm funeral. well, this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real. ah let me continue the conversation here. i would argue the dilemma that really faces the west is how they framed this conflict. when lose. ok, and that is fundamentally wrong if you want the conflict to come to an end. if they were to take the approach, which i think would be an appropriate approach because it would talk about a pan european security including russia. but know they've taken the wrong path

when lose, they should be that the way out of this for everybody is in talk about peace. and if you talk about peace, then you find everyone's place in it. and they refused to do that particularly low walking thinkers. dalton, berty cannot get there. ok, you listen to him and he sounds kids are running. your nato is in my brain, but not in the conflict and all this other non no reporter with his worth. his or her salt is ever asked him a hard question. the question is, why aren't you talking about piece of, you know, and the problem isn't there to, when to foreigners were the could have helped ukraine, you know, maybe to, to make. you can fight a little bit longer, that it was supposed to do, but they go so far to spend all low so, so much money that of course, the defeat of ukraine, which is my, in my opinion,

inevitable that if it of your current would be the defeat of nettle, and actually i can't answer your question because i don't know when natal because not a question of kiff anymore. it's question of washington, this question of nato, when they to will be tired and also exhausted and asked to stop the war again. russia, because what we look at in russia know that the russian government is ready to have a long war. they're ready to do it. it's clear, then we'll put in a set it in self. so and, but the said as soon as you want to talk to, to start negotiating, we are ready. but of course, because you make us invest more in this war, we will take more part of you credit. because if you remember the 1st a fresh i was about 30000 square kilometers of the part of the bus it didn't control knows it took under was a 1000, a square kilometers. and the best of his already took as a cremeans ticker, is already we ask somebody, ask, but what about odessa?

enchanting of and said it's depend on the local population. so for the russian, as long as you put them to go to, to continue to invest more in this country, they would take more part of ukraine. so if the, if the west one to, to save something from ukraine, it has to it, no, maybe they could, they could avoid the, that, that the russia, at least, we'll pick this up. because in my opinion, physician, a government taking odessa is one of the priority, and it would maybe, maybe take one your mo, but they will take odessa, anybody, but i would even, i would even say chemical as well or yes of. yeah. but, but heck of it in a month, by and there is no doubt for anybody but or this. so, you know, in my opinion, it's a positive. so you want to say from russia, i mean to, to, to keep this assets, which is very important because it's a, it's a, it's on the, on the black. see, i had the last mario pull the last bad jones can it is a low as i will lose, as, of course, nikolai of, and soon in the village or this,

or for nato, for you credit the and a whole. so, but if they want to set this up from russia, it's time to negotiate. it's done to demilitarize is to did not the side that you bring up the word negotiations. martin unfair, you came across the, in a multiple interviews that frau merkel gave to german media and it confirms everything the 3 of us believe all along is that the germans, the french, they were never committed to a peace process. what was called mens ok. so given what we've all said here already today, why would the russians negotiate with any of these people? they've been proven to be complicit? is m i years a and i have talked about personally i had when we met in saint petersburg is that russians going to determine its own security guarantees because there's no

one to negotiate with. because russia isn't going to want to do this in 5 years, or 10 years time, all over again. this, the outcome of this conflict with russia will determine will be definitive. martin and russia is playing the long game. as of it is absolutely right. you know, we're talking about yours, but we're looking at the merkel interview and the reason for admission by her that there was nothing genuine on the european union side. you know, i think it was pretty shocking. a lot of people, i mean many people in europe would be shocked by that because there is this default setting of so many european stuff. you know, the west with basically, you know, good guys and, and, and every time i was gone and all the jungle or whatever you call it, i know that we showed our colors that makes, as you can't read, you said that makes negotiation like 10 times harder and the stakes raised 10 times higher, so whatever russia would want ultimately, you know, it makes it so much further away. i think the european union knows nothing that

really does not that they know that that term doesn't negotiate with teaching will be very hard because of our fault, not because of his particular idea about a piece of peace settlement. but the european europeans don't want peace. they don't want to give peace a chance to coin that phrase. i think they believe that they can stick it out in the longer term. but look at the depletion of stocks. look at the money that's being given to, to ukraine, which is the shipping which use all the time, but only biden's going to get his military aid approved. and even if he did, how wrong we go, how long can we, can we bail out the ukraine? when, if we look at the possibility of a change of government in america company, assigning republicans get to get every indication. we're not gonna spend the same amount of money. so when russia looks at that dynamic, over 24 months, which is a very short period of time, you know, everything seems to be snapshot against the west. but you know, america keeps winning. so this before marriage keeps coming out is the winner. you know, it's just go these natural gas deals which are piling up. it's got it member states

individual exactly. on the european union. exactly where the americans want them divided more devices than ever used falling apart. this is a dream for by a nice lot of people the way to the back, isn't it? yeah, but i mean, it's a double edged sword, isn't it? because of course the u. s. is winning. i mean, it's really going to be crazy because you have a bite in ministration that if it leaves wants to appear to be anti fossil fuel. but at the same time, it is the big, it is the biggest booster of it because it's making so much money in europe. but as a result, europe, the productivity goes down. we've got, you know, we talked about the meltdown. which happening right now. what we need is the marshall plan. that's what we need the americans to do. this is your opinions because that's where we're heading to the european union,

a load eastern european countries like pollen to leave at the expense of the german, french, italian taxpayers. and it's almost over, i even don't know if i ever understand that there are no destroying the german economy and the lever thanks to the german economy on the higher level that said the serve to live actually because of, i guess the, your printer, phones for poland it's about 3 percent of g, d, p, the police g d p. so it's minutes. the only of the part of the growing economy in, in poland is because we send them some money from the french taxpayers from the german taxpayers. but we can do that for the german, but because they used to have a strong industry. and we do that because of a such an over in the country like france could survive by boeing at low rates, thanks to this from europe. but because we use a solution assets,

we have no more from earl and we can't take credit, a low rates. i'm used to do well, if you bring up a good point because martin, you know, in the mainstream media likes to look at maps that likes graphics, you know, like flying playing the member of the gulf war and all that. ok. but it brings up the most jermaine calling. i mean, you, you can, you can't print money to win this conflict. you can ok, because what you're doing is going and europe's debt obligations are extraordinary . in the u. s. is catching up. you can't win a conflict just by printing money here. and this is, you know, this is one of the things that i've been focusing on less on the military. i'm not a military expert, but i mean ukraine will turn into a failed state before there is a, an outcome, a definitive military. i'll come on the battlefield in europe is boeing a pace right behind ukraine?

it's amazing how europe is the ukranian ization of europe. martin like to touch on the us, but i can't help looking at the mit just because use corruption. you know, when you know western governments dream of the opportunity to illegally subsidize the military. they can't do it in peace time because there's no rules against that . but in, in war, you know, we tend to overlook that and what's going on is biter is making 2 or 3 american arms manufactures. you know, the directs us multi billionaires. you the buying real estate in the bahamas sauce of the you can say get the carry on, but you know what we're looking at now is corruption. it's corruption. it's just expanding beyond any anybody's understanding of it. and when we look at military spending, we seem to see corruption on a grand scale. i'm wondering whether, how this ends, you know, for me in ukraine is much a close war. i see it as the leads which represents less than one percent in ukraine and their missions,

their ideas about her origin. so they're not really that concerned about who keeps control because they are concerned about their own personal wealth and lifestyles that they can actually sustain. and so it's a one percent versus 9 percent scenario. and most people in the western understand, i don't want to touch on that because it's the same elitist idea in brussels as well. you know, people are thinking about the launch longevity of the, of these amazing jobs they hold in the europe in parliament, european commission, but hold onto your hat. got slightly, is macro the most naughtiest wackiest you federalists. we're going to have and my predictions i'm going to go on the record. he is the best candidate, the most likely candidate for european commission or european council president in 2029 long way away. but that's this is where we're heading. exactly, and in the last 30 seconds, go ahead. no, i don't. in my opinion, russia will want this were the only question. it's to know. i mean this war against nato, and the only question will it will, it won't,

on the 1st on the economy call point of view under me terry point of you. this is my only question. i and i can't answer no, but of course risha will win because the time is working for risha. yeah, i mean when i was a few months ago, i think martin, i asked you about who's got the clocks and who's got to talk. and you told me, bo, i had asked you whether guess it's a week that and they all said the same thing. i'm sure you weren't colluding with them. but i think that, you know, this, this whole western now false narrative, like russia gave weapons of mass destruction, the hunter biden laptop. why people believe this one you grain story, when all the others were lies? is a mystery to me. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time we have want to take my guessing marrakech and here in moscow and i think our viewers for watching us here at our p. c. and exxon remember hospitals. ah ah,

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