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creative on the conflict in ukraine cra, boda writes, i assume that the war in ukraine is not a desperate defense of a threatened nation, but a so called proxy war between russia and the west with ukrainian suffering losses at the expense of various, mainly american military lobbies clearly, cold war hawks use the war in ukraine in their interests, and the heroic defenders of ukraine. sovereignty are also obviously admirable. but almost no one writes about the former and almost every one about the latter. it's easy to imagine what our american friends would do. the training center for mexican soldiers led by russian, all chinese instructors was suddenly opened near the mexican pull to ver, cruz and the training program could prepare for the recovery of the territory of the present state of new mexico and maybe even parts of california. so let's think seriously about what russians may think and feel when western instructors, mainly anglo saxons, have been training, ukrainian soldiers, and participants to the so called volunteer battalions. regiments in several centers preparing them for an attack on the crimea,
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a most likely also on russia itself. le poland, government and media have closely followed the western narrative since our russia is a special military operation began in february, the polish president describing the conflict as an an imperialistic war. i spoke with under i, tom a 1000, a german attorney and ameritas professor of lauren, south africa. he says he hopes more. intellectuals will now speak out against certain governments that are clearly benefiting and profiting from this conflict. plead him of opinion and freedom of thought can never be silenced for a long time past. phenomenal insane prophets are kind d being written by a, by a destructive industry. it's a, it's a, it's an industry that produces weapons of mass destruction and more and more being channeled to ukraine. and it is like an obsession of some, definitely present biden is obsessed with arming that ukraine, as some people say until the last ukranian alive. so it is impossible to find peace
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swamps. it is, sir, modern conflict resolution can only be achieved by, by listening to each other by addressing the roots of the conflict. why? why did somebody feel compelled to use force and the it is, it is very simplistic to say that russia's conducting a war of aggression when clearly there's a 10 year run up to that situation which can't be blended off. i do hope that more intellectuals will speak out and will put pressure on, on governments that seem to, to run, to benefit from an arms race. not just about wrapping up with ours broadcast from moscow. bizarre to international thanks so much for joining us and sharing a time with us here in the russian capital. one of the top stories from this evening look at shanker, the bell, russian president meeting with his russian counterpart in mint. put in a look at shanker, talking about an awful lot of areas of cooperation between the 2 countries. learn
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more about it at your own ledger, with our team on con. oh, i think the other one majority, all ukrainians will actually reconcile reconcile themselves to place. i don't, i don't, i didn't visit them being held hostage by the neo nazis alternation. it's not me, i'm still and i would try to do not show that there was any kind of compromise any, any, any untoward any last thoughts are losses. i remind you we can mix up, be able to succeed in their political lives.
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it's amazing to see people share, right. because as mean we talk about being strong. not. i mean, everybody wants to be strong man, but you know, we might be physically strong, but you know, are we emotionally weak? my son got incarcerated here. and i learned my biggest fear was and he goes back into what he had on the board about memory. my says great friends is charles policy and he said, your son used to say he wish he could come to prison just so he can be with you. in that moment i said, this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to, to do they say, you said if you are thinking you is dead, you never too old to find that piece which your children,
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which yourself mm hm. this prison is me into more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if you give an opportunity. mm. ah, everybody's watching everything they do. everywhere they go. everywhere they gather, they have to really, really, really be above board to make this happen. they have to worry about be a put in the whole. they have to worry about being moved to another prison, depending on how hard they pushed. they don't wanna be too vocal because they don't want to be signaled out as a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn
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. they can move them at any time. they could be take, you know, just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. mm. i'm pretty sure they steal down us all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can argue. cameras in every classroom, by soon as we got a classroom camera start coming up the exam because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening, but as good. not only put a camera here, you can come and sit in our classroom and you can learn to with maturity, you think passively tooth wants intelligence without the guidance of another. well, cat is conveyed is that no one, not even a monarch for making impede enlightenment of the public eye. okay. okay.
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um i thought it was, i thought it was difficult read pull. i thought it was the career. i mean that's what i graph up from it. you know, i'm not enough, i'm right or wrong. this is my so and it's not about right or wrong. it's about interpretation. no one can say of your interpretation is wrong. we don't have a manual can here to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because a lot of people here who are under idea that you are kind of exceeded our boundaries as prisoners. if somebody is lying to you, if somebody is a guy, i'm always been so scared about how i've looked on
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the death of corey, how him being a young college kid and me being just, you know, some hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become or my manager has something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody was really ever give me a chance. ah, washington state does not have pool waiting up for role in the early ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant sensors and other words, i'm going to send to you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced. doesn't matter what you do in prison, that your sens washington has started to figure out that system is not
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very jobs that it doesn't work. and so they started to bring parole back, actually brought girl back for sex offenses. and the other group is juvenile. if kemati had committed the crime, $61.00 days earlier, 2 months passed his 18th birthday, he would have been in juvenile and he'd be eligible for parole today. problem with punishment. the problem with setting a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime, you don't know who he's going to be 20 years old. oh, i was never really something that i was intending to have while i just got curious. i because there was a lot of people who are actually going home to crunch. the 1st thing i did is i've kind of started writing letters to some attorneys about what was the possibility. but then a week, you know, he sent me
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a letter and told me to call he said that doing my clinic, it will be something that he will be willing to do. ready today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodities sent, asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go. the had different family members that have been to person and seen him even some went and spoke with him. different people were telling me he's changing. he's trying to be a better person, but they play wasn't ready to accept then. ah, i had thought about reaching out to him. i'm start to write them and then i throw
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it away. i did that probably maybe 6 or 7 times. and then i just said, okay, forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, kimani send me a message. i read it, i read it a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled in as a spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his message that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago. i didn't, i'm not going to forget what happened. and so, but i forgave you. as i understand the challenges you may have had
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growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive you said not only in my forgiving you for what you did. i have to forgive you to allow myself to lavon and to heal. ooh, while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the tools to be a mother. she grew up in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was 11. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love art. she didn't have, she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage,
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she beat my granddaughter to death and i'll always miss in iowa. and i had be 23 years old now that i want her to have a 2nd chance. you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in olympia fighting for this bill. i mean, i was a mother trying to fight for her son in time for people to get out and carouse. but all these victims came in the 2nd and i thought, you know, will after the victims who you know, and i thought, you know, well, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill where they got to say i'm a victim and i am against this bill. i'm going to be, i'm a victim and i'm for this bill. now, we are in this dichotomous, either victim or you're a perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we understand we're all victims of the sister. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice meant and what they wanted to
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come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i'd had it with the black christmas caucus over 20 years. ringback i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically we, we contextualize what has happened so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior to each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people can tell him for their actions. and where the hand of forgiveness can be extended. the
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prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison. but every once in a while, a prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplished something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison. and anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff. ah, we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. merritt teen a change in his sentence. i think that is more about them being able to see the
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command that i've become and not the commander that i watched. and so i think that they deny me as because they haven't got past that point me. he has a call, he will not be charged for this. call. this call is from an inmate at bay correction center. what's called will be recorded and monitored. if you wish to brought anything to the cause of this nature, dial 7. now, to accept this call, press 5, now to decline this call. hey, thank you. the american president, abraham lincoln said, a house divided against itself cannot stand. this famous phrase appears to apply to europe today, when it comes to the conflict in ukraine and russia. can there be united europe without
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oh no no, no changes. i do not wanna prison or wash myself in prison in ah matter worse more so i don't want to lose faith telling me to cheer more long. what you door because you're helping the next person get out of jail and concerning the state of john to be about a father and brother. personal society ah valuable shadow only you lock the hardware, which of my interest is in people like commodity who worked on rehabilitation and who've been told by the system,
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you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison. it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will. because i believe that somebody like commodity makes our community a better community. ah, this year than this, they're all on the same dis in different stages of right so, so this was yes for that one's really really. right. and there's something that turn proposal just different varieties i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th. during that time i worked went to school and now i am still on monetary community. gusty and i live with my family. i'm just trying to,
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ah, figured out ah, free will is it's all free or is not equitable. so if you have the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources they have to open to me. how free am i to really choose? and as long as society divvy up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to, for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are full of society, the state, the government institutions,
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all these words that we're, that are big an amorphous that, that we're trying to, trying to make in this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us with how was your see about the war? why are we get about just is right. what is justice? i'm with welcome to mind when we hear the word justice 1st and none
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with more of them cold room with enough. okay. was o corruption, co roma prison for britain operation? oh, i mean i don't wanna veil but you guys are being a little bit negative right. because justice is related to all the bad either has has happened to was right. so yeah, of course we can we go with the negative, right? because of all of these there. i mean, go room. well, been in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do a justice system. yeah. ready okay, so, so let me, let me make gonna rephrase that. when i, when i think of justice, i think done this classroom by year and, and in teach by in general,
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would all the class is doing if, if, if there were any church justice i, sam born in life, there was something that was missing from marcell opportunity that we never had. right. so by i was gonna pitching the chair is something new, something that can empower us? i think he's doing the chair just. mm hm. justice is the penalty or reward for one's actions. i say penalty or reward because justice can be serving a good way or so. i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me, some shape or form. and that to me is chest is the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me in a go and a bad things. i do actually come back to me in a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always watching just this isn't, isn't a thing dislike. you know, if you,
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if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice. blake justice is even bigger than that. jesse's should control the things that you'd normally nobody else is watching. awesome justice has to be individualized. justice has to ask, how is the community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? yes, that's a tough one. i'm not certain oliver. no. what justices. justice . i'm not sure if i ever thought about that much just to our part in the system and in the next part had to do their part the the lawyers on both sides in the judges. but i would still feel good about the bar. i did
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a this is not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison, could have the answers to our problems. ah, we do not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge can have the answers to their reality. ah, because we have people with the div master's degrees who then have been certified to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and
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over again. i'm in a system where we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan. they just change a name and his gang, those brothers, no gang. so for all the classes that we offer to some, we can't wait just for people in prison, aaron's children have the solutions to our problem and what we will do it 10 years . if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some. well, now we'll put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. don't think it's not true. ah, because i got the deal. see the deal t. the bed where the chechen center, the juvenile system, everybody's in the business. ah, and then wait for the education system to fail. our babies so that they go in there . mm. that i don't want to blame deal. see, because it took
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