this is faith in the world corrupted. you need to descend. ah, so join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. is amazing to see people share, right. because as men we talk about being strong unami, everybody wants to be strong man. but, you know, we might be physically strong, but you know, are we emotionally weak? my son got incarcerated here. and i learned my biggest fear was and he goes back into a d. had on the board about memory money. my says gray phrase is charles policy. and he said, your son used to say he wish you could come to prison just so he can be with you.

in that moment i said, this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to, to do. they say, you said if you are thinking you use it, you never too old to find that piece which your children, which yourself. mm hm. this prison is me into more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here if give an opportunity. mm hm. ah, everybody's watching everything they do. everywhere they go everywhere they gather

. they have to really, really, really be above board to make this happen. they have to worry about be putting the whole they have to worry about being moved to another prison depending on how hard they pushed. they don't want to be too vocal because they don't want to be signaled out as a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn . they can move them at any time. they could be take, you know, just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. mm. i'm pretty sure they steal down all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can argue. cameras in every classroom, i saw that we got a classroom camera are coming up in the exam because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening, but as good. not only put a camera in here, you can come and sit in our classroom and you can learn to with

maturity, you think passively tooth wants intelligence without the guidance of another well can is conveying, is that no one, not even a one. our government can impede enlightenment, of the public eye. okay. okay. um i thought it was, i thought it was difficult read. i thought it was a dual career. i mean that's what i graph up from it. you know, i'm not enough. i'm right or wrong. this is my so and it's not about right or wrong . it's about interpretation. no one can say of your interpretation is wrong. we don't have a manual can here to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars, will try to explain to you what somebody lived 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering,

right? because there's a lot of people here who are under i see that when you are kind of exceeded our boundaries as prisoners. if somebody is lying to you, if somebody is a guy, i've always been so scared about how i've looked on people the death of corey, how him being a young college kid and me being just, you know, some hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become or mine managed that's something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody was really ever give me a chance. ah, washington state does not have pool waiting for role in the early

ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant sentences. in other words, i'm going to sent to you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced, doesn't matter what you do in prison. that's your sense. washington has started to figure out that system is not very jobs, but it doesn't work. and so they've started to bring parole back. actually brought girl back for sex. the families and the other group is juvenile commodity, had committed the crime. 61 days earlier in 2 months passed his 18th birthday. he would have been in juvenile and he'd be eligible for parole today. problem with punishment. the problem with setting a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years. ah,

it was never really something that i was intending to have while i just got curious . i because there was a lot of people who actually going home to crunch. the 1st thing i did is i've kind of started writing letters to some attorneys about what was the possibilities. but then a week, you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call he said that doing my clinic, it will be something that he will be willing to do. ready today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodities sent, asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go. the different family members that have been to prison and seen him even some went and

spoke with him. different people were telling me he's changing. he's trying to be a better person at that point where he wasn't ready to accept then ah, i had thought about reaching out to him. i start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably, maybe 6 or 7 times. and then i just said, okay, forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, kimani send me a message. i read it. i read it a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled in as a spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his

message that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago, i didn't, i'm not gonna forget what happened at the, but i forgave you. as i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive, you said not only in my forgiving you for what you did. i have to forgive you to allow myself to move on and to heal. ooh, while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the

tools to be a mother. she grew up in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was in lavin. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love art. she didn't have, she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter to death and i'll always miss in iowa. and i would be 23 years old now that i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in olympia fighting for this bill. i mean i was a mother trying to fight for her son and i for people to get out on parole. but all these victims came in the 2nd year, and i thought, you know what, i've been victims who, you know, and i thought, you know, well, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill. well, they go up and say, i am a victim, and i am against this bill. i'm going to be, i'm a victim, and i'm for this bill. now, we are in this dichotomous,

either victim or you're a perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we understand we're all victims of the sister. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice meant and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had it with the black prisons caucus over 20 years. i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically, we contextualize what has happened so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior to each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of

circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people can atone for their actions. and where handed forgiveness can be extended. the prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison. but every once in a while, a prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplish something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison. and anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff. ah, we submitted our petition with

a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. merit team a change in this sense. i think that is more about them being able to see the come on in that i've become and not the community that i was. so you know, i think that they deny me as because they haven't got past that point me a call. you will not be charged for this call. this call is from an inmate at correction center. it's called will be recorded and monitored. if you wish to block anything to the cause of this nature, dial 7. now, to accept this call, press 5. now to decline. this call, hey, thank you. ah,

i've actually found safety and embraces naziism as a joke. all of a sudden you're placed in a position where i can defend myself. now, i don't have to be afraid anymore. on one hand, i'm terrified that they're going to find that i'm jewish, but on the other, i think it's so far away. i distinctly remember my mom sitting me down one night and her st. john's are going to her one guy hunch me. hi, my ear or somebody. so now in the rest, in the punches or started flying in, somebody shouted out, died, you boy died. and at that point i knew they're stuck back. remember i had an indian

doctor. they came in and looked and said, there is no medical reason why you should be allowed to find something to believe. john story is a story of hope. the story victory and whatever i can do to help him i would oh, i don't mean like no no changes. i do not. i don't or for worse myself in prison. i made it worse. marcy, i don't want to lose faith. only makia more along what you dorn,

because you're helping the next person get out of jail and continue to stay out of jo to be about a father. saw brother, personal society ah, the cyber shadow, only you locked up hardware, which of my interest is in people like commodity who worked on rehabilitation and who've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison. it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will. because i believe that somebody like commodity makes our community a better community. ah,

this bang this, they're all on the same just in different stages of right so. so this one that was yes for that one's really really. right. and there are some that trend proposal just different variety. i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th. during that time i worked, went to school, and now i am still on monetary community custody. and i live with my family. i'm just trying to, ah, figure it out. ah, freewill is it's all free or is not equitable. so if you have all the resources to have 5 options open to you, and i have the resources to have to open to me, how free am i to really choose?

and as long as society davies up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are fool society. the state, the government institutions, all these words that we're, that are big an amorphous that, that we're trying to, trying to make in this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us with

our tuesday about is we're right. we get to the about justice. right. what is justice? i'm with what comes from mind when we hear the word justice person with believe i more on call room with her. okay. was all corruption co roma prison for fresh operation and

i don't wanna veil, but you as well are being a little bit negative right? because justice is related to all the bad the, the has, has happened to was right. so yeah, of course we, can we go with the negative, right? because of all of these there. i mean, go room, well being in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do a justice system. yeah. okay. so, so let me, let me make kind of rephrase that. when i, when i think up just is i think done this classroom by year and in teach by, in general with all the class is doing is do if during the church justice i at some point in life there was something that was missing from marcell opportunity that we never had. right. so by i was gonna pitching the chair, somebody knew something that can empower us. i've been doing the church just. mm hm. just this is the penalty or

reward for one's actions as i penalty or reward because just as can be serving a good way or so, i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me, some shape or form and that to me is chest is the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me in a go and, and bad things. i do actually come back to me in a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always watching justice isn't. is in a thing. disliking now if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice. blake justice is even bigger than that justice. she controlled it. things that you'd normally nobody else is watch an awesome justice has to be individualized. justice has to ask, how is the community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better?

just that's a tough one. i'm not certain oliver. no. what justices. justice . i'm not sure if i thought ever thought about that much just to our part in the system and in the next part, how to do their part the the lawyers on both sides in the judges. but i would still feel good about the bar. i did a this is not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do

not believe that people are in prison, could have the answers to our problems. ah, we do not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge to have the answers to their reality. ah, because we have people with ph. d and master's degrees, who then have been certified to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a, in a system where we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan. they just change a name and it's gang. those brothers, no gang. so for all of the classes that we offer to some, we can't wait just for people in prison. aaron's children have the solutions to our problems. and what we will do it 10 years. if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some mom. i will put that on your babies. but it's really the

truth. don't think it's natural. ah, because they got the deal. see the deal, t federal detention center, the juvenile system, everybody's in the business. ah, and then wait for the education system to fail. our babies so that they go in there . mm. that i don't want to blame deal. see, because it took a whole lot of institutions to get them there. we bail, we fail them in spite of that they've got the flu. ah, them the spirit that we did not kill

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