you know, what was, why did they keep talking about these, you know, foreign power supposedly interfering with our election? is it because then i'm getting the result they wanted to every time something goes wrong. so alpha is their fall, is that the thing? i think that's a, that's a big part of it. and i think really the united states for a long time. i, at least since the obama administration has, has needed a bogeyman, a has needed a foreign enemy to, to point the finger at if there's something that happens that you don't like you blame you. blame someone over whom you have no control. you blame the russians. the chinese, the iranians, god forbid, you should blame the israelis or the french because they do this kind of thing as well. but it's, it's easier to blame somebody else for your problems than it is to acknowledge your problems and then try to improve them. if we have, for example, a problems with our electoral system, then why don't we focus on fixing the problems in our electrical system. busy electoral system, rather than just pointing the finger at the russians,

and another thing that the united states tends to do, you know, that they, they make these wild accusations and then they tell the american public, take our word for it. we're not going to give you any evidence, just take our word for it. and they also blame. they love this phrase. people with ties to the kremlin. well, what is, what does that mean? so you're not saying that the kremlin, did it the kremlin, ordered it. you're saying that somebody was some sort of nebulous tie to the kremlin, did it? well, what would you, how would you respond if somebody blamed their country's problems on people with ties to the white house? i mean it pretty much all of us have ties indirectly to the white house. you could blame, you could blame the white house for anything. so it's just, it's just an untoward way of, of trying to paper over your problems. it's really quite interesting. it's kind of reminds me of the rhetoric this little than dial, abused buckner, i in, in the cities in the semitism, it's also about the cold war, but john kerry. okay,

thank you so much for joining me here today. i'll see we are on a busy schedule type. thanks again for your time. thank you. bite ah, let's move on now. west africa, 6 civilians. i'm at least 2 soldiers have been reported killed in a series of attacks in wilkins fasa. the country has a struggle to maintain security in recent years, as fighting between national forces and insurgents has caused the death of thousands of people and driven estimated to 1000000 from their homes. the mercy says the nice surgeons links to international affairs. food have been killed in operations this month alone, all these folk who with the countries interim prime minister, he says security remains a top priority, and the country welcomes a partnership with russia. what are your priorities now? is it perhaps in the secure to sector? we sound good. yes, definitely. currently security is

a priority and burkina faso and we talked about it. but in addition to the security sphere, we discussed other areas as well because the problem of security is complex with many parts. we hope that starting from now we will begin to resolve it. apart from that, it's necessary that our relations develop because we're all interested in winning is closed due to russia could become an ally for broken f a. so in the fight against dallas, we swims with yes and we would like it. we would like russia become our ally here, as well as all our partners. and we know that russia is a great power, and a frushell wants to can help us in this area. well, that was a busy hour. the ramps out from now up next cross told me to lavelle doing him that all the hear back on the top of the hour with more imagining usa r mm i . i hello in

welcome to cross top where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. piece in ukraine seems essentially impossible, and there is a reason for this. nato wants russia to be completely defeated. russia and turned demands new pan. european security structures protecting its interest. as long as nato exist, there'll be no peace or security for anyone. with cross sucking ukraine, i'm joined by my guest, happy escobar in paris. he's an independent geopolitical analyst and author specializing in eurasia and brussels. we have lucrative a. he is an independent journalist and in kingston we cross who geral, 70. he is founder and director of trends research institute and publisher of the weekly trends journal magazine or a gentleman cross hoc rolls. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate pepe. let me go to you 1st here. there's a huge, a, some, a symmetrical process in play here. the europeans,

the west collective wants to see russia completely defeated. russia want security guarantees, and i have a solution to it. and it's a simple one. why don't work towards peace. and that's something that the west will never do. pepe, of course not. and they keep saying that every day, why school defining stolt, embarrassed by american generals, via and tony will terrace the story, portuguese, the head of the you. when i read she in london every day, we have a call to our sound bite from one of these, of course, not to mention the 28000 or 20000000 function errors in russell's thing is that kind of the same thing. planned a continuous on schedule plan a is forever war. plan a is afghanistan on steroids at least another 20 years. there's no plan. be so far

. russia they can play it. ok. we can finish this thing in 20 minutes, which they can or ok. all right, let's keep going little by little. you please very refine the form of chinese torture on nato as a whole. and on the west leadership as well. and let's say one day you're going to cry, uncle, well, i agree with your channel. let me go to you in kingston here. that's a symmetrical approach here because this explains how russia has proceeded in ukraine because it wants security guarantees. it's not going to take land that it can't determine its destiny. ok, they're not going to go in and leave. russia is not going to do this in 5 years in another 10 years. this is why this is a defining event in this century. here, there has to be security guarantees for all or there will be security guarantees. for none, go ahead. you know, this is the american way. as i was saying once, upon a time there was

a president the united states by the name of dwight d eisenhower. 5 star general supreme commander of the allied forces and to charm president is say a well, a jess, january 17th, 1961. he was the american people that the military industrial complex is robbing the nation of the jesus sciences, the sway labors and the future. the children and that sort of america is become, i just turned 76 years. all world war 2 is in ancient history. look at all the was america's been since then. it like the korean. oh no. i like the vietnam war. they have out the 1st iraq when i like the 2nd iraq war, a lot better. you know, the afghan war was terrific. it only lasted 20 years. oh, what about what's going on somalia? how about the nobel peace prize winner morocco bomb?

i want that guy gadhafi out of that. i want that guy assad added in libby in in syria. qaddafi and livia, the united states just passed a defense budget of $858000000000.00. so a $105000000000.00 of our money now, is it going to ukraine? 63 percent of americans living paycheck to paycheck. it's the american way. and it's not stopping this is my magazine from spring 2014. that happy face on their washington is driving the world to fight the final war. world gemini is not a right america has earned article written by dr. paul craig roberts, former assistant treasury secretary of the ronald reagan. and he talks about russia,

conclude wash, included, that russia needed to be confronted with or distracted by problems that would leave the russian government less confident or able to counter washington's aggression elsewhere. ukraine presented to perfect opportunity for washington. okay, geral, jaron gerald on that on that note, i agree with you. ok, let me, let me go to look here, get everybody in the mix here. a look. i mean it because the nato will not discuss russia. security guarantees as reason why we're in this mess and the 1st place, okay? and as long as they continue to do that, russia will do well, unilaterally make its own decisions. if it doesn't happen to interlocutor, then it will make its decisions on its own and what it will not care what the west says whatsoever. because the west really can't do anything about it. and that's what we've learned. luke and brussels go ahead. while the responsibility of the major is over, well, of course in the conflict since day one and dumb because we follow america and we

should, you should dissociate from america on this america. it once war brush, we don't, we should, and we, europeans are also the victims office concrete on. so we need to find a p strategy and we should look, for example, in turkey. we should look at hungary, countries, whether leaders are responsible. people say, yes, we must have something over medical from on social from dish, but not send arms and be part of that conflict with your stalls and beg and mental, we should not do that. well, i, you mentioned a lower octane thinker sultan burg. let me go back to peppy here. well, that's exactly what he is. ok now, has had one journalist ever asked him a hard question. ever, never, it's never happened. okay, and that's, that's my design. peppy notes. the other birds as a victory for rushes or to feed for the west. yeah, yeah, that's why i think i agree with them on. okay. but of course,

nato is not part of the conflict. okay. i mean, it's absurd. what this man says here, but i agree with them and i was actually, it will be the end of nato. the way that if they continue the down the path, they are pepe. go ahead. well, of course, with nobody knows what the general or the russian general staff, displaying mid term and long term. nobody acquired from a putting partnership in may be jurassic woven showing go did they have a menu which is so juicy in terms of inflicting geopolitical and g. way konami, pain, different levels of the dial on europe and only u. s. which is, you know, you have to laugh about it and they built dismantle. ah, they tried to remember what they were try when years ago diplomacy, you remember indivisibility of security, right? those letters sent to the pentagon and to brussels. you all remember the non

response response. you all remember what happened next, which was the preparation for a blitzkrieg against non boss. so we know everything that happened up to the beginning of the s m o. and we also know how russia is, has been to weaken the approach stores the s m o, which is now for all practical purposes, the electrification campaign on top of dina's, if occasion and demilitarization it's working. and on top of it, they get absolute chaos and panic. all across the u. this is something that you see from outside the u. i just came back from brazil, which is in a very sorry state after the boss on our project and even from brazil looking at your real single versus not that bad. i'm happy you bring up a good point. if i go to gerald on this one here, i mean it again after 10 months of the same thing. they say, continue to double down on it without any kind of what they claim that ukraine is

winning, which is absurd. i mean, this propaganda in the west is absurd. it's ukraine is not winning. pepe is absolutely right. i would even posit that ukraine will turn into a failed state before there is a military decision on the battlefield. gerald, what are your thoughts on that? well, we said it from the beginning that ukraine is not going to defeat russia. i have a famous chart of napoleon as march to moscow in 1812 where he leaves holland with 420000 troops to attack moscow comes back with 10000 and then it was a thing called a world war. 2 operation. barbarossa with a germans killed some 25000000 russians and who were the 1st to defeat the germans, the russians. and you mentioned about propaganda and that's all it is. and that's all it ever is. and all the media does is keep selling it. i just found this

a couple of days ago. it's from 1960. this is the headline. soviet threatens rocket sat spy basins. so now we really hate those soviet right. you read the article member, this is may 10th 1960 premier. nikita khrushchev warned monday that soviet rockets was shoot down any spy planes. the adventure was surveyed soil and his government will take appropriate measures. american plays of flying. all right, so the if jared sorry, as a put a headline in like this. so if soviet plays were flying over american territory, it would just be fine. everybody would love it. it's the warmer shane, period. paragraphs. it's been going on and it's not only destroying the world destroy this country as well. and his can, it's going on. i mean, i make and is non stop. i'm again, look in here before we go to the breaking up. but, but look, what is the veneer of this propaganda rob program failing?

i mean, now we have protests all through europe here. i mean, what in the world you're the european union is willing to die on the hill called ukraine. that's insane. 40 seconds before we go to the break. jake isn't saying i would disagree with you when you say that you crime could become a faith state. it is a phase the muppet show since the end of the you can call it, she rock and some up and show the ukraine politics. so now we see salons, q was corrupted since 2012 with properties in london with accounts in the m, b, b and then m sync stuff are obviously, you know, what you see in all the places corruption ready while he has been elected to fight couch, so it is a real problem to see that the propaganda is really solid for all the media that we have here in western europe. it is the voice of here. and that's why,

and that's why, where pariahs, okay, but not as you know, rumble were on rambo, and a few other platforms. we'll get our word out. the hell with you. to my opinion. i gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team. ah ah ah, ah ah, welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered on peter as well to remind you we're discussing ukraine. i

can go back to pepe in paris yet you are a prolific writer and i really appreciate it. my wife, i don't think i ever really miss a com a couple days ago. you wrote something very long article. very good. but this one sentence really stuck out to me. i'm gonna read it to everybody here. a quick win for russia would be a loss because nato would still exist. no, russia has to pace this, so it sucks nato into the grinder, your spot on, right, peppy. why don't you explain what you mean there? ok with without using our collective crystal. busy balls, maybe this is to narrow number one, the for the russian general staff because they see that seen only 10 months is being working miracles. so why not? 20232024. and now they have in direct confirmation from all

sources that the us wants to prolong this thing, at least until 2025. don't forget death contract that rate on past with the american government to supply them with the state of the art anti missile defense. and guess when they're going to delivered up november 2025. so we have for sure. let me, i'd pepe. i mean, that big, that big 2 things. i mean, will ukraine still exist? that's up in the air? probably not. probably not likely, but i'm agreeing with you. and let me go to gerald, because i think it's really important here because of what western media likes to frame this as a russia ukraine conflict. it's not that it's russia, the, it's a west, the western world, nato world against russia and the russia is accepted. the challenge, and what i think is, is, is in the cards right here. alright? they want to use ukraine is a cudgel against russia. well,

russia will use ukraine to destroy nato, and i think that is in the cards. that's one of the reasons why the russians are taking their time to watch nato exhausted. so, and watch the european union humiliate itself into bankruptcy. go ahead, gerald. yes. in know, in the sense that america is going to keep the war going. a pet they mention raytheon were you did, i mean, who is the defense contractor or the united states? i the excuse me, the defense secretary was young. what was his last job sitting on the board of directors? raytheon. so they're gonna keep this war going as much as they can. again, it's the military industrial complex, and i want to make this 100 percent clear. america is at war with russia. yes. it's not a proxy war. and these are the words from loyal austin. the defense secretary, who said he told nbc, report that the um,

the reason for you as troops in ukraine was they need quote, experts in the country to help ukraine use critical weapons systems. so america is in ukraine with u. s. troops showing them how to use critical weapons. they are using the critical weapons. if this is not stopped, world war 3 has already begun. and it's going to annihilate the world in nuclear war. what people don't understand is that you have mentally ill people that are in control, that have a great soul of the demonic, satanic spirit. because they, there is not one word you were talking about, protest in europe. zip not and nothing in america. peace is not allowed to be

spoken to her, and we just heard the national security advisor this jake sullivan said. there is no time right now to talk the piece yet because because victory is not within their grasp. luke, just the opposite. a victory is staring them in the face. okay. and, and these missile systems, the patriots systems. you know, everybody, let's be honest, here the u. s. military has been fighting sheepherders around the world in this century. ok. it's never even even close come to appear power and this is exactly what we're seeing right now. we're seeing all these expensive weapons that go to work there. it's a complete griffith. okay. and look, i don't care how many american advisors go to ukraine. they should be a be aware because the russians have i in the skies. they can see exactly where they are. luc. well, as you say, end of the,

the young week are all major. feel like all the europeans. well, really we don't have a mission to deliver anywhere. i mean, frost the french are i, as our nation for over you, or if there were while. so how can we deliver 80 counts true to the ukranian army or a and logan list? i'm sorry, list or from what i understand. at the beginning of the conflict, there were $200.00 german tanks and only 10 of them worked. yes. oh yes. fast to mrs. font lane was on the head of the european commission. you know, she was minister of defense for 8 years and the buddhist fair, the german army is in texas because of her. so that's a good use or how you know, in the german stick about it was a smile. so dad, i look and let me look, i, i can guarantee you, they spend more money at nato buffets than they do on german tax. ok. i can

guarantee you that. ok, pepe, you know, the, the thing, the, what you and i have been thinking about a, actually in unison over the last few months. i mean, we're not having direct contact all the time. but we're very much moving in the same direction here. and, and, you know, it's very interesting, rushes is facing the entire onslaught of the west and the world is watching and the world is amazed that russia is taken on the collective west. and it's certainly not losing. i would even say it is winning. if you look at the it, what winning means on the long term thoughts? peppy? absolutely. 87808889 percent of the global south as a whole. and some patches in the global north as well. they have not come then russia, they have not sanctioned russia and most of them understand russia's motives and that that's the merits of course goals to absolutely. ready faults, russia, diplomacy, you know, run by essentially by law for all,

but all the deputy prime for ministers. absolutely brilliant as well. and of course, the higher node which bricks, which is going to be bricks plus shown guy corporation, organization. the strategic partnership between the rest and the chinese and these interlocking partnerships between russia, china, india, any run the what i termed a few weeks ago, the quad that really matters. these are the quad or across the region that really matter. so in terms of soft power globally, russia has got it because they manage to explain their position. this. the thing is because they cannot, you fact finish this war in 20 minutes, because this will be written, mix up american shock and all. yeah. and that's not what russia once russia, once the global size, the global south on their side. so we have to be little by little, this form of chinese starch, torture, which is strategic ambiguity in the words of the russian general staff and the

global south bought it. they are all bored because they understand that russia now is that the one word of this fight again? well, and if pepe and peppy, you know, the global south, they remember the european colonial experience that the russians weren't there, but the europeans were. ok. gerald, this war is not going to end in diplomacy, not going to end negotiations because from the russian perspective, there is no one to trust in the west. anglo miracles admission recently. petro pato shank oh, the former ukrainian president. they lied their liars. so there's going to be no to go, shaded into this. it will be a unilaterally decided by russia, because there's no one to trust in the west. gerald. yes, so what you said about merkle and in for a shank of that, they admitted that the minsk agreement was a total fraud just to get ukraine built up stronger so they can fight against the russians. here i'm a trend forecaster, we have

a system called global nomics. we're talking right now about, you know, war. so we look at many different fields and one of them, of course, is to look at is what's going on with the global economy. so of course, with the sanctions they put on russia, you know, of energy prices going up. there's a lot of hardship in, in europe. that's why you see the demonstrations. what am i saying is when all else fails, they take you to war. we are facing age geo, political, socio economic crisis, the likes of which we've never seen before. that had been brought about by all the cheap buddy they pumped into the system. yet when they forth a cove, it was. so let's go back to a thing called a great depression and what followed it were award to what followed the dot com bust. oh, you mean the war on terror? what i'm telling what i'm saying is that when the economy crashes, they get the people's mind off it with war. and they had going to do the same thing

. now, american people, when i was a kid, dad is hiding under a desk because the russians were going to drop an atom bomb. i remember doing the same same. and i remember i remember. so what i'm saying is they're going a russian nest. so just landed in poland and killed 2 people, dont good at odd. they all have city at night. how do you see how quick it happens? how they believe that of 2 people were killed, 377000 over there in yemen. now we don't care that yemen what, but anyway, what i'm saying she, everyone is that when all else fails, they take you to war. the global economy is failing and they will get to people's minds often misery with war. okay, let me, we have one minute left. look in your crystal ball here. i won't hold it to you, but we're coming to the end of this year by the end of next year. how many

governments do you think in the european union will fall? i won't hold her to it. very possibly. several on the andrew i saw you fall in government a so so a majority would crumble and the opinions within the european union debt will change at all. we have phone issues at the european parliament with corruption, bike, todd and things. and we see that these people at the european parliament have great ideas about ethics and morality. they're all so it's going to get worse and bureau and the trouble. so he said i see depression in future, certainly with america in time is cynic making a. ready lot of money with the european stupidity sang us there, ellen, g r strong, the european economy and all making that the euro will never be

a cause you preserve any more. i'll have it all gets down to will end on this. it all gets down to being ideologically obsessed and greedy. okay. oh and they're not and hubris, aetna, absolutely taking no responsibility for their actions. that's where we end this year gentlemen as all the time. i want to thank my guests in paris, brussels and in kingston. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember, ross not ah move when i was showing wrong when i was just a to see out the see because the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart,

we choose to look for common ground. ah ah let so pay lines this hour the fall of us a quote to so moral code senior lawmakers are accused of taking bride no farther than country. and the document claims that nathan, providing $13000.00 steve about the russian forces. so the credit men could conduct a tax including one in recent weeks with russian city employment. with the interim leader.