it's done right now, it's in the several billions of dollars they could help rebuild afghanistan several 100 times over. and also by, you know, ironically by withholding those funds from the african government, they are making the afghan population all the more reliant on the benevolence of the hopeful benevolence of the taliban leaders. because there are no that is good investment. people don't have the money to invest and create businesses or create the tools to, to survive and to, to thrive outside of government in a charity, let's say. so they actually like sanctions, the they would hold the holding of the fund create more dependent, not less with between the african population and the taliban. so it is releasing those funds for better or worse would at least give the taliban people

china, and they are going to have to call you that we've, we've studied one, so i'm thank you so much for joining us. a pleasure talking to you for your time. thank you right well that out. so up here, 2nd, dot com for more international level, and these will be back of the top of the hour. have see then i wanted to go and pay my respects hon. all those who lost their license, the hands of the 3rd, right. and i wouldn't want to do it with anybody other than john, honestly, you know, horrible atrocities that affected millions and millions of v. and this is the ideology that i, that i live 5 or 4 years and what is journeyman? since it's harder than mine, being jewish had something to turn to. he didn't, he left something that was like a family type relationship and moved back into the real world. living in israel, he finally feels at home and he feels like he's with his people and

a leading with his i know that that's something i'd like to feel in life. you know, i'd like to feel that i do belong to something and i have something to look forward to and i have something to believe. i'm not sure what it's going to be basically turned myself to be a real american patriot. but i don't like the direction that my country is going a whole lot. right. i will wear my young with a c or a or full then overwhelmed with emotion. started shaking, embed, and as i went to laboratory a few moments ago, i get sick. wow. going to the camp, it makes it, it's like putting in a face with a name. it's no longer, you know,

old reels that you see on t v. programs and documentaries written by some guy who wasn't there on the page from history book gets real lamas doing what you can to fix the world to the best of your ability, etc. starts with you and the way to live or you are, which what you're doing now is a lot going back and fixing some of the wrongs you can at one point stop it. that's enough. things need to be different. and they give me more than 1500 juice when prison is small fortress, their destiny was worst of all the groups of prisoners, about 500 from them were tortured to death. here, most of the parish after the deportation to the concentration camps, 1600 people of the jewish faith died there. i found it hard to believe from the nazis were really avid, in real getters,

transit hands as well. they were coming merely coming in to wait for the trainings and go off to the dog house. so the more house this was just mirror on the voyage. what you wrote in the the book, the guest books. what did you write? i'm sorry. i wanted to come the roommate same for you, they thing and judaism. like we're going with the way that we count the number a letter that we offer. exactly. i wanted to see where my team was, the more sure where the body is. a person, there's torture. for story, starting at the end of 42 dead bodies were cremated in terms crematorium in the form of the jewish get, a decline letters. the letter is age off the 2nd letter age or his age letter,

a blood red circle around. you know, i mean, i'm still not gonna lie. i'm still afraid of a large group of black people. and i know that's still a little bit crazy, but i'm still very high provincial and as well. there's to certain things that i don't feel that i can turn my back on because i mean, if it's happened more than a couple times, you learn from your mistakes. i'll admit that i do have certain animosity within me . but when i would be asked if i forgiven the the scanner guys to try to take my life, i would say to the best thing that happened to me because it gave me like a time, me to value life in the sanctity of life. we walked through a 500 year long tunnel. there were several spots and we walk through or seem to

drop and get very, very cold. there's almost like there was electricity in the air. the hair on my body would stand up and just to take it into know almost everyone that walk through that donald didn't walk was a lot to take in there. i 7. yeah, i don't even know what's happening is if you were going to die and you knew it, there's something known as the martyrs. prayer ok. here is, or the lord your god, the lord is one. that is something that i'm sure there's always more than one. it would be torture has to be led down, not knowing if it's going to happen. your brain tries to rationalize how what's

happening isn't happening right. it's somehow going to live somehow going to survive and from fights you've been in attacks. you've gone through. i'm sure your brain sunday exactly. will that one? so yeah. are you close off the outside world? you turn in this isn't happening to me, and this is a real, i'm going to live to wake up. be fine. your brain is so arrogant. the one thing that it can't say is, i'm not going to survive this in a moment of peace that hit me when i was attacked by the skins was just when i came to the one understanding conclusion that how is it going to make it out of it and then it was just like my brain just relaxed. really, you know, it is. i need tuition like that. you just want to go home, right. and when your bed, your mom, when you go, you want to go where you feel safe. at that moment i did not feel safe and i knew enough cops that were involved in the white power movement. they're not sure that

they're not the best people to go to that kind of situation. no, i mean that whole part of central florida as we know, most of those shares are over in the clubs class and probably still, i wouldn't know. one point after i was out of the school for quite a while i, i was arrested, is thrown in jail for what kevin does best, being a smart drunk and not listening to authority. i have always had a problem with authority, and i wound up in jail for a long time, but enough time. and i still have not covered up all the way to tooth. and one of the tattoos i had was quite vulgar and quite a for and their symbols that anybody in the widespread world knows and instantly sees initially knows what it means. and it was not anything. i still

believe, of course. but it was still fair to me and i couldn't make it go away. and i wound up and a cell block was someone from the area in brotherhood who had just violated parole and was about to be before the judge to be re sentenced to go back to prison. most likely. and i've never been more afraid from myself because i knew said i was going to tell the truth and then i was going to say, my east and let him know that that's not who i am any longer. and i don't agree with you. and it was honestly probably the scariest 48 hours until that until i was moved and became a trustee and was moved to a different cell block. since i was a skinhead, i'd never been, i hadn't been that scared in 15 years. huh. it brought it down to know that i didn't cover up the tattoos because i wanted to remember, you know,

how stupid i was. ah. and i wore them so that i didn't forget not about anybody else, but so i didn't forget. but after that experience, i felt it was time to not hurt anybody else with the images that i had on my body. and it wasn't good about me. it was about other people and about sending a message that i didn't believe in. ha, so it can be very hard to walk away from your past and that i really had home. and that was when i truly started thinking about the future, which was something i had really never thought about. i kept living in the past and that was like one of the clarifying moments. knowing that moving forward, i still have to have a life. oh my god. we

but all the way through the tunnel and rounded the corner and headed down the little hill. i saw 3 crosses, there was a tour group, and the woman was speaking in english, made mention that this is where the soldiers lie. when this was still just a military installation and use this embankment for target practice. but after the 3rd reich had taken over it and occupied high and was using the camp, ah, has a transit camp and a death camp. that's where these people have locked and been executed or walked in beyond. ah, it was emptying. i don't else describe it. it took what little bit of okay, feeling i hadn't sodomy and stripped it out and let me know that it's real. one of those people came back and this is where they met her. it is very re for, for torture to force record. sure to hear

if you'd like to do today in the griffin, i mean, every person that wound up there wasn't there for anything they did besides being himself, being people of the earth, living their lives. it's a heavy burden to carry, you know, knowing that i preach the same nonsense to lot of people it against a lot of people that it was right. sure, sure. sure. we try to do right from the sport. oh, well this is a huge, huge step. there are a few places at john and i hit start and john brought some some stones and had asked him to bring me ah, from jerusalem. because i thought jerusalem being the holy city ah,

and behold his place to the jewish faith schneider. these people made it, their challenge was right around the corner. memories before a blessing man always be remembered. ah, watch to all the gray stones. nice only one gray stone. it didn't have a rock on and i made sure i put a rock there so everybody knows that they're not alone. they are in a thing that really hit me is about a 3rd of them were just numbers. they didn't had names. so it's, there was bodies in the ground and it makes you think about their entire communities and entire families. entire villages are completely wiped out. there's nobody to remember. nobody tell anybody that ah oh, service your mind. oh,

all the lights that were smell is horrible. place where the horrible camps around europe no sound from jerusalem on a rock. oh. inquired the day john, it has once you realize that hatred is just fear of the unknown and fear of yourself. i it doesn't take long to want to see the truth and want to see humanity for what it's worth along as warriors. you've also come to the conclusion that there are more bad people that are good people in the world. and i was one of them. i can't, i can't undo what i've done. i can't do what i said, but i can try to stop it. and i can do my best

to try to educate people to, to the truth that ignorance and fear breed hatred. and we don't have to be afraid, ah, piece in ukraine seems essentially impossible. and there was a reason for this. nato wants russia to be completely defeated. russia in turn, demands new european security structures, protecting interest. as long as nato exists, there will be no peace or security for anyone. ah, watch and it was a shadow shorter one, and i'm not going to stay locked. i knew what

a national z m a i know kevin kept some of the stones that he had, and i asked him, as we discussed it, what to do with those stones. he said that if you ever visit a place like this again, he wanted to have so i was ready to go to ashes for why exactly auschwitz? well places, 1000000 people die there? no. 1100000. if they know of to know, would you be willing to be awake at 4 to 5 in the morning tomorrow? for, for a

you said all the places you can visit and do that for a little bit ago. i'm serious. i did take a moment to park on just to say and try and catch my breath. breaking down, realizing where i was going in the brain surgery was easier than this one. as soon as we cross to the entrance way, josh. kevin fell on my shoulder. ah, a series. so shoot.

just recently phonetic 1st symbol ah, disease is you walking through and we came to the destroyed cache. and it was quite literally the end of the line . that was where the tracks stopped. coming to that line was part of a spiritual journey that i've been on for 20 years. and kevin, stanford is part of our national anthem. thinking about truth on our dream of 2000 years. ah,

oh i, [000:00:00;00] i figure it out here and walk down. there's one building standing, it's the last building remaining from those centers, which is where we were yesterday. everything you see up and down this road on both sides for people that were sent here. and so when you said yesterday, you felt like the numbers were off. they came here, i would say, right,

ah, this is as close as goes on your cordial yes, this maria, thousands of people. please maintain silence here. remember their suffering and show respect for the member and i own ah, [000:00:00;00]

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my life trying to take a long time to take all i do a little cleaner inside and again i have all this emotion all this, hey, i don't want it to be a because i don't have anybody dave. i was angry in place to project it. i've never in my life had to process something. i've always been sorry. hey, ok. let's move on. next thing, this is something bigger than me. beyond me, it's gonna take me a long time to understand i think more people should use when i when i think about going to trial and how french so call friends because you all were tight. you believe the same thing. you had each other's bad brothers, all of you were brainwashed, but they were brainwashed for they were ready to kill

a brow them because it was a job. i don't know where the education would make a difference. but at the most of them were dropped out from school. they weren't interested in education. in the end result was you die in wyoming up at your own end of the line. and it was an end of the lab for you. but it was the in the line for us to you mom and dad and you brothers, what we went through i was returning the upshot down to one of those that ever again, i can't think of anything worse than a family that have to go through something like that,

if i ever apologize to you know, with john story is a story of hope. the story of victory, the whole story of his life. this is just one little segment of his life. the whole story of john's life is amazing. and i think people need to know what a great man and how many great things he's done from where he came into, where he is and whatever i can do to help him. i would do families. i've been either going through to have a child like i was actually a jewish family, but say like a like canon. we have a child that's involved in a racist organization. what do i do? answers always love them. make them feel like they have a place to come back to many times over the years people have asked me, why do you think you survived?

and i definitely know that i survived because god decided it wasn't my time to go. and i've tried ever since then to try to improve myself as a human being. and when i came back to society and be ready and available, just to talk to people about the ability and the power of change, it is possible to changes as possible to come somebody else. and some of the people that were involved to my attack had changed for the better of some more than i stayed the same. i can't really expect society to change that begins with you. ah, it's so sad in the,

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