the time of the year and the world was living at last here 3 days before. a fantastic, unprecedented in what times would paralyze the global economy and launch of the global population under warranty and, and why we call it $900.00 no longer command. the same fear and fewer if used to is it still capable of causing widespread damage? well, to discuss that i'm now joined by the way director of the center for public health research at non gene university medical school in china. dr. with a great to talk to thank you very much for your time. around 3 years ago i called the team was already impacting its 1st patients in china and giving the country's authorities enough reason to notify the world health organization of a potential global outbreak. when you look at the events of those initial weeks and months, in hindsight, do you think the response to the threat was added with given what was known and

what was not known at that time? yeah, actually be sent back to almost 3 years ago. it was the, you know, complete the ticket because we didn't know whether the virus was it was transmitted, was kind of a consequence because you've got to be individuals. so i think that, that need to be, you know, couple months we were completely in the brand. so of course, you know, that particular circumstances, the only thing is that trying to complete the transmission and that's the best we could do. i think if you look back 3 years ago, it was the correct decision to do that. if something similar were to appear again, would you recommend the same course of action, or would you have something modified? well, i think, you know, 1st the likely the same scenario. begin with ours. because now we

no longer model this cars. why the mutate transfer needs and that will kind of, we know the medical problem will cost. so the situation is completely different than by the said, i think, you know, we have much more experience in getting was there that we know how to control the contain the to limit the number of people getting infected or the mobilized met. go services in the resources to deal with it. and the other thing is that when we have that things that change the landscape differently. so i think that, you know, that happens again, we're probably much better prepared to deal with it. now we here is to go in those 1st chaotic weeks and months, the countries essentially emulated one another. everybody going to be strict as possible logged down even when they didn't have enough resources to sustain it. and

i think over time, national strategies have become more self sustaining and south driven, when you analyze national responses at this point of time, can you single out any countries you particularly like the way that they responded and, you know, some nation that perhaps could be justifiably criticized for the actions that they took or didn't take. why, you know, it's a barrier to georgia other countries because the intervention and the response to the learning and probably healthy using much influence the, or a determined by be the count his own that go capacity there. was no unit on the way of getting was in the house all the breaker, like the pension. but then when they look, look back to the response, there's different countries to get this virus. a thing to, you know,

in the complete the blank theory, the people did not know anything about the virus. the best way is restrict movement because we know that the movement is one of the key you see which helps to transfer me the wrong way in the video to another individual. so that's usually where mobilize resources were to put in some sort of room and the mobility. and she's there that it was quite effective in dealing with the initial window and seeing about the house. so i think this is critical. you're just doing a there as usual and that you just go around. no, we're not going to the end. the thing, give us a patient, the freedoms and the people get contracts. so we don't have that. so we don't have them that people right now is definitely the way they approach that china to we have to admit,

it's now one of the reasons countries per capita. and they have the resources to afford this kind of policy. would you recommend the same approach to some of the poorest countries where people have to stay under the log down without, you know, having any means to, to survive a lot just to, you know, healing or medical treatment. but the bear survival. i'm talking about food, energy, etc. yeah. your, is there a good question? i don't think that the chinese motor is, can be applied to 2 other kinds of countries which are, you know, mclee developed and they have limited resources because of time, the small number of parts in the facts is the 1st. it has to be a very strong sense for us because it could remove that could mobilize resources and basically one when the epidemic append

happened, or the on the all the break happening in the particular region. very serious overwhelm it's a health care system. then the coming up with a move on the results from a different jurisdictions to, to keep the support. so this requires a tremendous amount, the federal government authority called the nation and the cooperation. so the 1st thing in the this point of view, i mean this model is hardly easily applied to other countries. it's called the, the, the is that you are in the past that you can only develop, trying to give out the very, very close network of which we involve the office. but you know, the commercial committees such as a full deliberate and the your, your life to support the system or whatever, you know,

you could simply purchase your living stock from the internet and billable to your doorstep. so those are things that he was sufficient to support the infrastructure, not just to the wrong approach without those you can do it. now, throughout this condemning, we often heard from various experts that is better to be safe than sorry, although this mantra didn't fully account for, you know, all the damage and the death toll that indirectly occurred. that for example, you know, people suffering from chronic diseases whose treatment was put on hold because all the attention was centered on the car on the patients. i wonder if there's been damage change a way the medical community approaches the treatment of chronic versus infectious diseases. are these 2 fields to feel separated as they used to be? well, i think in the we change the way, you know,

patients to health care workers to deal with the big is the and the to the infection. i mean, the other way else we can see. so thank you. have the on the day these, as you just mentioned, because those in the house care facilities have to cry because they are the, are the world in control of our dealing with the severely and in fact to be individuals. so you can see that because the, you know, part of the time, the data when that happens when the patient from the, into a hospital event, some of the have to do with the patient and the robot. and you have to both you also, you know, the chat and the medical examination before you are allowed to go. you so that in effect of the patient, the patient with cleaning cookies. it's so there is a very complex issue. i think this is something that's really when they get past

the 3 year several, we have to develop more more effects to the patients that we're dealing with. this kind of situation that if i'm not mistaken, as cold in medical community, that's called the problem of tree. that the doctor is always have to. well, they, they would aspire to treat everybody, but they have to make very hard choices about has the better chances of, of survival. and, you know, that raises a lot of very, very, very hard ethical questions about the elderly, about the children about the economy, et cetera. have 3 here is on how we started going through that with some sort of honest analysis or is it still something that humanity has to come to terms with you see, that's the interesting question. the idea is a very much

a preface in western countries, particularly european countries. basically you can see the similar model. it was a practice meeting in britain and then, but the trying we was not or is not widely accepted in the medical community. what do you see in the some of the hospital, you know, pick up the chinese and i mean, some of those was just overwhelmed by it could be 900 patients. so that's one reason why that i'm going to treat tremendous results of the bill that apples makes the hospital. and so the patients while not severely impacted the world transports with those mixed hospitals to, to get medical treatment. so really with the traditional hospital medical care facilities for patients with what you have well, you know, i'll be emergency conditions or chronic diseases. so i think this is

a good model of ways because you've got to get in touch with me everywhere and everything. it sometimes happens when you have some emergency midship hospital, cynthia, to take you that that would be a tremendous help. interesting, you know, here in russia the traditional chinese medicine is associated with what we call holistic approach. and i think this is one manifestation of for listing approach that you try to treat every member of your society regardless of the age, survive ability chances. now another thing i wanted to ask you is that it's clear that the patients prognosis with called the dependent a great deal on his or her house status and his or her health condition. again, a chronic diseases and the proceeding lifestyle. what have you, do you think there are any lessons for all of us to be learned about how to sort of

leave our lives truly and house really in order not to be so susceptible to academics, open dynamics like this one? well, very good question. because if you look, but you know, from the time you saw a prospective call on a break and it happens, you know, there's been chinese one that i'm going to call the self will restrain ok. now that you know and then do not go to the boy that went into probably, but you know, avoidable. well, your face mask and there, you know, have some good in the house. so could kill, you know, good, happy. so basically you can see is that from the individual level, many people do it pretty well. you see that the people have a so called the salary lines and they take the health into the

land society when the president can happen when there is a shortage of madison. the shock is we'll get close to then you also, what is your 1st responsibility for your own house? so this is something there is i think it's a critical for, for the health. basically, the 1st thing is, it's a boy, the been impacted. a vaccines are saying, and particularly when you have some basic conditions, when you are a old age, particularly people, you know, 70 the, and we know that could be the back. those people are, is susceptible to the virus and they tend to develop some more compensations. so

this is critical, that's why you know, this people was so busy and they should, they need to take vaccines because of the adequacy is basically minimal when you compare with the advocacy. so this is the 2 lessons with wowza restraint. your house, your own hands, the 2nd is that rely on the well, the available medical approach are protected. so i said, well doctor, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. h n a b to what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have a patient, let it be an arms race, often very dramatic development only personally,

i'm going to, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical. i'm time to sit down and talk the aggressor today. i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it and number those constantly growing, but i think you chose looms to contributors. you speak on the bill in your senior. most you mind the sheila were banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g i. g 's with joe by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang.

ah ah ah, welcome back to wells apart with would you wait director of the center for public health research at managing university medical school in china? doctor was before the break. he said that there's a lot of things that we now understand about compensation, but there are also plenty of things that we don't know. what would you say? i still some of the biggest mr. is that puzzle you, when you wake up at night about this particular virus were you know, 1st thing is a b as a no scientist. okay. it's a very interesting than the previous a chrome of ours. we knew the huge bladder. this didn't just

continuously infesting the population and the police will individual to individual . and when, when, when the weather ones are usually the bars goes away cuz the virus comes back. and so basically it causes little true like a symptoms of this. so this viruses, a sas cove to is quantity different. that's why you nationally, you know, 2020, many of us many stake with thought is a virus or the go. we wonder whether ones are, but it didn't. so apparently this is a highly persistent barrels. it keeps going from human, human, and mutating as well. it's an interesting and out of the diversity you illusion. if you look at the early they see in the, you know, to sub a virus to the, today's, of ours. they are very different. the virus taps appeal, lation i'm, you know,

becoming a highly trust me score an infectious, but the, it's a present. cassandra is a present genesis. it is a significantly compromise. it's no longer cause of severe disease. the, all the bank wants to get into your body. it goes right into your loan because of the information so that it often is called the fever. but the new virus, the only chrome since early this year, when it's starting spreading around. what do we find is that the virus mostly just the respirator track. it doesn't go into your lungs, so that's why the symptom is relatively minor. and mine usually does not cause to be a disease. it's so this is something normal for them instead of the why entry so much compromise the it's with it's cognitive ability. now i think for the most

layman, lay people, not the scientists, the biggest and most controversial enigma surrounding comb with 19 is its origin. do you think we have we will ever be 100 percent. sure. how it came about. oh cuz now we we, we could be 100 percent. sure. but i don't think it's likely because history is good unless, if you look back at the history, when we come back to the hours you're trying to find the origin. most of them. and we only give you a cruise. you almost never, we never will find an absolute answer because particularly in the case load, chroma, barrels, barrels going in depth to basically all mammals with viruses such a broad hoops, then it's also almost impossible to find the so called the origin. i know that

you're personally, i don't believe that this virus could have escaped from the lab. some people in some statement have speculated how would you respond them to your colleagues who answers the virus with such complicated genetic makeup, particularly the doubles? did you g sequence which makes the call it 900 pathogens so contagious that it couldn't have evolved naturally how? how would you respond to that? well, i don't think the, you know, statement is actually reflecting the 900 volumes basically is that there has been identified in bats and the animals. and if you look at the sequences times of the research, not only you tried, but also your countries as well. i think why would be the best the research was done by a rotation scientists and them and the,

basically the backing now the other parts of the china and the sequence, look at the bars. this current of our motion and his conclusion is that it's more likely the powers actually from bats and the transmitter into a mammal and the memory. eventually you bought the trust me to you because this is, this is more kinds of robust evidence. so, you know, that could be simpler simply because this is such a conflict. that's the ability, your human beings. it is more likely that the bars is evolving in a mammal and becoming more depth in the environment. and we do have especially about now, as we've discussed before, china was among the 1st countries to introduce log downs and among the last to

relax them. and i heard you say that this is 0 tolerance of pro, which has been working fairly well for your country. and yet, can you believe that it's not sustainable much longer? why is that? i think it would have meant to be in a different perspective. viruses transmission. people. yes, with southern 21 and i'm talking 21 because they are very different in the days that the virus is much more is causing as much more causing ability when people are contracted to be in the human deaths. so overall, if you look at the facts and population, these should be a case percentage is, was much higher than the bars on the chrome since early this year when the only holding in time. so the severe cases,

so very few and that's case is also there will be a balance transfer to so quickly. so the 0 clearance clearance policy, was it designed to deal with the virus which trans me the not just law, but it causes much most of the of the limits. so when, when policy were implemented during the 1st 2 years, it was the very best. i mean, concluding about spreading from large populations. so that's why i want council system was still capable of dealing with the population. but once we step into, you know, to some pointed to when on the call was the major there in the being trying to trying to get it so. so the, the, on the policy, the 0 clearance policy was able to contain the buyers. if you look at the, the, on the breaks in this year, they're the basically, it's all the time,

although they are relatively small skills. but that people also clean the teacher that you can really control. now correct me if i'm mistaken here, but from what i understand, it's not that the, the chinese authorities are lifting all restrictions altogether. the impact of patients still have to be quarantined. they can be warranted at home rather than in face facilities, but it is still pretty severe by some standards measures, i mean more severe than in other countries. and with roughly, i think 90 percent of the chinese population vaccinated. why do you need such st measures to continue once the once the goal of that was the purpose. okay. the overall creepy, the vaccination in the chinese population is over 90 percent. it's very if you look at the population to 5 years on the or particular population in

a to ab about in this particular population, the national average vaccination, which is only 67 percent. so basically means that you will have one that's still the same, that people on not full of action is on the one normal action. so when you and then the number is a huge number, you try me. so you, with this population infected hong kong is, you know, this particular population was on the destination, is that, is it? hi, risk o city, a disease is even better. so that's, i think the key reason why the empties only partially open if you like. the fact that you still need to be kinder and receive the kind of restrictions. i think this is a sense approach. she by minimizing the impact on the highly vulnerable population that was picking about other segments of the population. this announcement about

moderating the chinese policy came after a series of protests in china, which some of your western parts there's took with quite a bit of delight. do you think the decision to adjust the policy a little bit wasn't taken purely on medical grounds or do you think the chinese authorities to have to be mindful of social frustration, building social frustration because chinese people and people to and they have all the emotions that come with being human being and do they have to take into account also the eagerness with which some of your neighbors or perhaps were an actors react to as social protest? i think you're absolutely right. you know, i think that that makes sense to me. there's a problem with the medical and the reason why that my person not my appealing is that the general population of frustration, anger,

also the pay of some rules from us. now, i'm so frustrated because if you go well, you know, you have to show your, your. busy your, your, your cooking, that you cool the, and the screen, the screen things and also present to your you can actually pass the results. it's just a hassle. it's ok. welcome. yes, 9. the particular one. you know that the viruses badly. i'm sorry you want to die, but when you see that was about the same. ok when you, when you watch tv and people young, you seem to be move up freely and you see, you know, soccer teens or soccer games or people to another. well, you know, this mess, the thing is that people naturally look, we don't express the frustration while we need to, you know, still need to be restricted. so i think those definitely will play a part in decision making. but my gut feeling isn't there, the key,

the reason is the medical reason and, and the reason you can look at the current, the opening policy is basically designed to minimize the disruption of people's law . but still, if you need to be, you need to be restrained. and that there are, there are certain policies basically, you know, you, you have a and to minimize the impact on others as well. and that's where we have to live there. thank you very much for being with us today. okay, thank you. goodbye. and thank you for watching hope to sir, again on well, the part ah with

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