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especially france and germany, which will say large a committee of p k, k sympathizers that to one day and these kind of hoops to terrorists linked hoops. kendall so turned on themselves and attacked in their, their old countries, not only turkey. so i think the weekday of the latest has been a good example for france, but we still see that you're being a country and western media to not even mentioned the name to k k during air reporting. so these latest clashes and will turkey is saying is that the european union should quote, a collaborates with on kara on this issue and curbing the p k k presence in their own countries. and those were the hour's top news stories from around the globe for more 247. our news had over to r t dot com. and thanks for tuning and we'll see you back next hour with ah
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ah, with plan welcome to well to part all the parallels between the hottest phases of the
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cold war and the current tensions between east and west. there's at least one crucial difference the neutrality of some european nations that was consciously created and maintained as a balance between the 2 camps in the 20th century is no more. on the contrary, the neutral status of your brain is basis of cost. cold war stability is now in the ruins. what does it mean for security in europe? oh, to discuss that, i'm now joined by australia for my vice chancellor. hi is christian strike. is this taca? it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time to go low. it's my pleasure to be a greetings from vienna you're willing miss to engage with us is not only very valuable, but i have to say a little bit surprising because many european politicians, even with non consensus positions, don't dare to all voice it openly this days. let alone on their rush and tv station . why did you agree to talk to us and aren't you concerned about the repercussions?
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first, the truth is not always something definite. woodsboro really push way. if you don't be coded, you become an accomplice. if you don't do anything that is the only class can lead more her. that's why it's important because to talk about the causes of what is happening that i am saying this in so comfortable because x you see go through the church is god almighty. or in the end, he'll hold as a counselor for everything all. and we need to keep this in mind. remember, it's all times that we can keep silence. that's why one more the voice to be heard in the name of peace, my neutral voice. i'm really grateful for that, and i'm particularly grateful for you were mentioning the freedom of expression and freedom of thought, which had been a european values cor european values since the enlightened era. but at this point
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of time, it seems that any difference of opinions is not just the discouraged, it's openly suppressed. why do you think it is unity or rather conformity? that is so valued by european politicians the these days rather than to diversity of views. the others, you're absolutely right. the last thing that this is something to give thought to be honest with me on the one hand, i don't know, dealing with the dictates ship is mainstream media here. the dominance of one opinion on gelatin ported, fisher decided so we are to see today is a political interest coming before freedom of expression and democracy. all this clearly goes again, whole principle, such democracy and freedom. if i said the current situation in europe is very saddening by citizens with all turn city,
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now facing accusations of treason there, increasing the stigmatize and marsh, and it's a shame, a separate thing. and i know that you personally went through some of that because of your political views. but before we go there, let's talk about the most. do this. if i'm perhaps the most dangerous issue in europe these days, i'm talking about the russian military operation in ukraine. and i heard you say recently the europe isn't the middle of this very harsh and very cool war, or which the russian incursion into ukraine, which i have to say you condemn. this operation is one of the factors. what are some of the other factors and more specifically, what role do you think the repeal union is playing in that war? ya, we did see versus dotson aggressive take to do all of
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that up for however, this war has a history for certain reasons behind it. was the alls don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to justify this war. you have to pay attention to the causes of this conflict. the regular use one of the losing parts complex, which at present is limited to one region. i can learn. europe is also done, so the by the ministration to change well, you're losing, if at all levels of i can nominate social political. i'll talk about that. i'd like to know me go blue, rena. you're paying an extremely insignificant marginal knowledge today. if we want to remedy the situation, we need to understand the reasons behind all this company. we are facing serious regional conflict. but when our no one is willing to launch the
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sinister shape, if it's something actionable. what we're witnessing today is the opposite. trying to parties of all kinds are emerging on the political scene, including the rafa and what they are actually doing is adding fuel to the fires of war is very dangerous. mr. strong in describing this why you made a very interesting and i think acute surveys and you said that politics as such is missing in the current developments. and instead everything is being handled kinetically through supplies or weapons or training of troops rather than talking or arguing. and i think that's something very important to understand. the politics is our best turnage. if you actual war fighting, do you think there are still any way of bringing politics and negotiations back into this conflict? you are right. the question is whether our political leaders are acting in a reasonable, sensible way. in fact,
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they will only regain the common sense when people go to the streets and the crash of the process becomes unbearable at all. to go on the basis, i know there's lots of european dissatisfied because you is not come up with any of these initiatives you want to be reckoned with. the thank you talk to us for which and moreover, i believe that the pressure of protest people's discontent with you could lead to the lifting of sanctions. but the homie, lots of european politicians can stop the suffering of the people in the long term . that is pretty clear every year, and he believes in pieces, the ongoing conflict can only be resolved unco shooting table. but his lads only told, can stop the human suffering and create a stable piece,
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both in ukraine and beyond that. but he does. now mister, trusting and just express your concern about the lack of any piece proposals from europe. but if we look at how russia is portrayed in western media, it is portrayed akin to the devil and it's not even the figure of speech. this whole conflict is described in very ontological terms as a battle between the forces of good and the forces of fable, the forces of democracy and the forces of a talk. chrissy. when you look at it like that, isn't any compromise much, much worse and much more corruptive done even defeat, isn't it more? isn't it better to move down to make a deal with the devil? but you know, our oldest reminds me of george orwell. nova 984 in this book the by there is a ministry of truth which,
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ironically is trying to conceal and distort the truth. but people tend to ignore the events that happened long before today's more than i did, it's nice me. i'm talking about the euro, my done to see was a result of the process is events that took place, vice versa, felt isolated in my done projects, actually top of the democratically elected government of ukraine who killed over 10000 roughly speaking people living in the eastern parts ukraine coast. busy and then all of a sudden nature continue to lease with us. so it's just what get these processes to do, make me think of the devil's de la. well, of all, we all remember germany. change the angle america is mason statements when she commented on the man's ca grievance. see she said, no one had ever taken the cord seriously, right on the star guns. no one thought they could be the foundation for
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a stable piece. the only reason why they were signed by the time i needed to provide more military resources to ukraine and make it stronger, give time to ukraine to brace himself for a conflict with russia. and all this definitely invites comparison with the plans of the devil damaged up. that's what they did. instead of pursuing long piece of stability in europe. and they did it knowingly before being fully aware of the potential consequences of such actions. if you can use that metaphor of the deal with the devil a little bit more, you mentioned your believe in god. and i think this is something that you have in common with many people in the russian leadership because of law didn't put in quoted on a number of occasions, the new testament and blasted the peacemakers because they will be called the songs of god. and i think he will, if truly belief, personally believes in that statement that we have for some strategic and personal
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decision, he made this decision to go to ukraine with the military force now. and one of the reasons i think, at least is something that i hear in moscow, these bases that the russians have lost any hope in peace making in conflict resolution. and you mentioned, go america, who said that who even she has recognized that the west has used every effort to reach peace, tactically, for military purposes. if that's indeed the case, if peace making is being used for war fighting, should we give this war a chance? and we allow it to run its natural course. and in this case, where do you think you will and the chancellor medical statements of both. it's disappointing and worrying. yeah, we can see this is
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a proxy was run by nato and the usa by demonstration. first and foremost, michelle minutes got so little don't buy them opened was yep, the boosting. cough gentlemen help them to. they knew it, and they mentioned that way from the very start from anna. so your proxy war is about the conflict of ideas that i put on the idea of multiple the world and the idea unipolar world against east about votes. yet with this conflict, such an emotion, putting number of processes that began earlier, and i already mentioned it, but in the process of you now reached a climax is a dangerous one. all these things can go to fall into a full blown world war 3. and that is why i believe is extremely false info. the older critical leaders of the world, regardless of the parties all ideologies to say, no to war mongering and say yes to piece and to the international piece after that will bring the complaints any policies to the negotiating table. okay, mr. shaka, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just
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a few moments. stay tuned. ah ha ah ah, ah ah, ah ah,
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or the welcome victory was a part with austria's former vice chancellor hines. christians try her. this is john, let me ask you specifically about your country, austria, because as a neutral state, they play the very important role in navigating the east west tensions of the 20th century. but it's no longer unfortunately, are viewed by the russians as an impartial player. neither is by the way, switzerland, finland, and sweden, as he already mentioned, assumed to be members of nato. what i want to ask you is whether you think that the concept of geopolitical neutrality in the 21st century is in any way different from what it meant in the 20th century. i believe that maintaining your child season the always the right way or the neutrality principle is enshrined in the constitution of the republic of austria. but those herculean power in austria,
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the current government decided to give up new child and abandon the right way, regretfully rotated the lazopoulos simply school policies in austria. and now even talking about the possibility of joining nato in the future, which is what sweden and finland doing now. they can be shredded. i most definitely against this will be simply because over 80 percent of the austrian people also against the whole thing, we need to always remember this and i think it's critical to austria should continue to remain neutral state. because a lot depends on that. when i was physics in that expect up, that ultimately this conflict has a reason from a disagreement over the neutrality of ukraine, and i have to stress, it was specifically disagreement over its military neutrality, nodded sovereignty, not as democratic past, but military association, which camp ukraine will be attached to and it is pretty clear that
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well, this from the russian position that the west, for some reason decided to abandon neutrality of ukraine. why do you think that happened? why do you think it was tempted to break this post cold war order? reach whether we like it or not, was providing a basis for stability on our continent. does, right to see if you crane with enshrine is neutral status and its constitution than the storage reason. it would probably have to agree with the situation regarding the like sci fi and crimea, do you mind if it also supports the rights of the russian speaking systems? because if that has been done, it would never come to this war when they get and also need to piece common turkey . now. so all the way before 2014 the government. then you must remember the europe ian union. ukraine association. agree on the talks that are going to day, i was the leader of a political policy and i insisted that those should have been through the way talks
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a lot. i think it's basically i insisted that the whole had to involve not only to you and ukraine, also russia to homes, up colin powell told them that all slunk out. we needed to invite russia to negotiating table in order to ensure stability around the situation and to discuss future development together. often, obviously, the west had no interest, primarily the us and ministration of job. and i guess there's also another thing up and they go after the german reunification that even though natal obviously did make promises or not expanding further, no such guarantees were given in writing. and they probably already had some thoughts about ukraine. and that's what caused all the tensions and the conflict now developed into a law. i don't know if our austin audience knows done, but ukraine's a name krajina literally means on edge or on the boundary with 2
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different camps or, or crime proschetti in russian with the law with the law. so political neutrality, it is now an open question where the boundary between east and the west will lie. what do you think is the most realistic scenario at this point of time with russia having it runs deep into the ukranian territory and having accepted 4 of us former regions into its own territory. where do you think this fighting could stop? what would be this new line, dividing new walls, dividing the east and west does. but i'm afraid the law still it will continue kate and then we may expect the escalation because i don't see any sincere demand for peace in europe. there is no peace. i saw them obviously, but there will be more sanctions interesting to i grab a situation and i only see a desire to keep this war in the interests of the u. s. administration to home get
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it done. so i am quite pessimistic because it only means more suffering for more people. not duties, and suffering will continue until the party star negotiating is the absence of a negotiating process if they can only be a military session. but i think the crane unions as well as the implementation on the russian trip. and it also has your, of all the ills tissue paper that will deal station for the up to that. i hope all, i think we must all be interesting to get an answer this wolf ever, and finding a compromise in the name of long lasting piece of stability. i'd like to speak to mister starr. you mentioned that this contract comes with a huge cost to both the russian em ukrainian populations who are losing their lives and losing their livelihoods. but quite clearly, there is also some costs for your appeal people and your own compatriots in austria . what are you most concerned about as far as austria is concerned?
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but so my 1st and foremost is austria and the entirety of europe having some serious economic problems. because of this situation, there's been a record number. bankruptcies among businesses. companies have become an sullivan, the unemployment rate has risen. many people have already lost their job. just sit back. i've seen prices have been growing, and this is a huge number of people that many people common for the goods and services they used to be able to get well taken by it. so europe is suffering to europe is involved in his process and he's actually destroying itself still losing his power because he's been losing a lot of production sites. there's also another great danger to this regional
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conflict could set the whole world on the fire. the risk is real, although many politician in the west don't seem to realize it missing. now both a russian and german languages have lots of idioms about the value of good, mutually respectful, neighborly ties. and i think for the soviet union and later on for russia supplying its energy sources to here was a way of ensuring both income and economic and political stability. do you think western countries have fully understood and appreciated all aspects, economic and political aspects of that partnership? i'm afraid those, even though some did understand their workforce down, they didn't argue in the interests of the european nations, asian versus oil and gas had been the foundation of our success and prosperity in the past decade. bush, russia has been supplying cheap gas not to help the europe in economy,
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stay competitive with that in a bit of job market. but then the situation changed book you said, and under the current circumstances allowed to give the united states to benefit the corporate thoughtful. what's going on now is not in the interests of europe in nations. all the answer seems to the situation will keep getting worse or i heard you forecast and you said it in that in our interview as well. that protest and social tensions may intensify as a consequence of energy prices and food crisis. but do you think people in europe and the united states can still fully and freely practiced politics as a way of influencing national policies? and i'm asking this question because of your own legal issues in the past and of legal troubles that donald trump and people of the right of censure,
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political persuasions had when they try to go into politics and represent that. electra, do you think politics is still a way to accomplish that change that you would like to see if we can pick up the people currently holding the top political positions of pushing businesses towards bankruptcy and people towards unemployment. and i big deal. this only makes people disappointed and angry. i can see for sure that's what makes them take to the streets and protests. so most certainly there is a political dimension to this will be, i think it's important to understand the dong against the current is very hard to finish the ocean. we are those people who are challenging the strong mainstream processes face persecution and they get in trouble with some get sidelines pushed out of physical process and their families pay the price of them. and these things
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are happening right now and the need for the well, the built, essentially the 3rd give the relation is taking a full and get it comes to the point where people get persecuted, physical views, super portal and it's been done on purpose and it's very concerning what will different stuff. he said ok, well mr. try, it's not the most optimistic no to and our interview on, but i still wish you all the success in your political endeavors. yeah. that's like the least think. you know, and i say one more thing is we finish the week if you don't mind some options, i'd really like to be included. i want to thank you and i suppose what henry kissinger said, we are facing a very dangerous situation. and that's because those who are politically responsible can't properly see the consequences of their actually know what they
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are ready to put out, but the collateral damage quite willingly, even ready to put up with the prospects of the nuclear war in africa. they realize that the nuclear power eclipse is a possibility and they consider its acceptable tribal sprague, other words. these people quite willingly putting all of humanity at risk, simply collateral damage. it can be overlooked as long as they get what they want to break, especially circle is not working our way towards each other and other to get will trip. well, i $11.00 of the ways to begin this movement towards each other is to engage in conversations that we just had. that's why i'm very grateful to you for your time and for your willingness to express your position here. thank you. there's an all the blessed you in moscow and thank you for watching hope to see her again next year, and may peace and greys be with you and your loved ones. a by ah
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with mm ah ah, is you'll media a reflection of reality? ah, in the world transformed what will make you feel safer? isolation for community. are you going the right way? where are you being that somewhere? which direction? what is true? what is great?
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