as a balancer between the 2 accounts in the 20th century is no more on the contrary. the neutral status of ukraine. this basis, of course, the cold war stability is now in the ruins. what does it mean for security in europe? well, to discuss that i'm now joined by australia for my vice chancellor highest christian star. hi, miss estrada. it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time to go. if i lose my pleasure to be a greetings from vienna, your willingness to engage with us is not only very valuable, but i have to say a little bit surprising because many european politicians, even with non consensus positions, don't dare to all voice it openly. these days let alone on their russian t. v. station. why did you agree to talk to us and aren't you concerned about the repercussions? first, the truth is not always something definite towards, but we also need to push back. if you don't be coded, you become an accomplice. if you don't do anything,

that is the only class can lead her. that's why it's important because to talk about the causes of what is happening. that i am saying this constantly because you see the church is god almighty. in the end, he'll hold his account for everything and we not keep this in mind. i remember it's all times that we can keep silence. that's why one, why the voice to be heard in the name of peace, my neutral voice. i'm really grateful for that, and i'm particularly grateful for you mentioning the freedom of expression, freedom of thoughts which have been european values, cor european values since the enlightened era. but at this point of time, it seems, does any difference of opinions is not just discouraged, it's openly suppressed? why do you think it is unity or rather conformity, that is so valued by european politicians these days rather than true diversity of

views. you're absolutely right. i think it's this is something to give thought to the arms with that. i mean, on the one hand, i don't know, dealing with the mainstream media here, the dominance of one opinion, she decided we actually today is it interest coming before freedom of expression and democracy. understand all this clearly goes again, whole principles, such democracy and freedom of speech and i. so the current situation in europe is very saddening. been by citizens with all turns facing accusations of, treason, daring, increasing the stigmatize and marsh. it's a shame, a separate thing. and i know that you personally went through some of that

because of your political views. but before we go there, let's talk about the most divisible and perhaps the most dangerous issue in europe . this days i'm talking about the russian military operation in ukraine. and i heard you say recently that europe is in the middle of this very harsh and very cool war of which the russian incursion into ukraine, which i have to say you condemn. this operation is one of the factors. what are some of the other factors and more specifically, what role do you think the european union is playing in that war? ya, we did see russia start and aggressive. take to don't want me than afford however, this war has a history for certain reasons behind it was the alls don't get me wrong. i'm not trying to justify this war. you have to pay attention to the

causes of this conflict. the type regular use one of the losing parts complex, which at present is limited to one region. i can learn to europe is done so the by the ministrations channel, think you're losing it at all levels of i can nominate social political. i'll talk about a non negotiable arena, the ears playing an extremely insignificant marginal knowledge today. if we want to remedy the situation, we need to understand the reasons behind all this and i, we are facing serious regional conflict. but when our mill one is willing to launch a european initiative in shape, if it's something actionable, what we are witnessing today, opposite transit policies of all kinds are emerging on the political scene,

including the rafa. and while they are actually doing is adding fuel to the fires of war is very dangerous message to her in describing this, why you made a very interesting and i think acute observation, you said that politics as such is missing and the current developments. and instead, everything is being handled kinetically through supplies or weapons or training of troops rather than talking or arguing. and i think that's something very important to understand. the politics is our best. so turn active to actual war fighting. do you think there are still any way of bringing politics and negotiations back into this conflict? you are right. the question is whether our political leaders are acting in a reasonable, sensible way. in fact, they will only regain common sense when people go to the streets and the crash of the protest becomes unbearable. i'll send 2 goals

or the base. i know a lot of european dissatisfied you is not come up with any of these initiatives you want to be reckoned with. the thank give us the talk to us for. moreover, i believe that the pressure of protest and if people discontent with the you could lead to the lifting of functions. but the homie, lots of european politicians can stop the suffering of the people in the long term . that is pretty clear. every european citizen who believes in peace, the ongoing conflict can only be resolved on go shooting table. but his lads only told can stop the human suffering and create disabled peace, both in ukraine and beyond that. but he does. now, mr. trusting you just express your concern about the lack of any peace proposals from here a. but if we look at how russia is portrayed in western media,

it is portrayed akin to the devil and it's not even the figure of speech. this whole conflict is described in very ontological terms as a battle between the forces of good and the forces of favor, the forces of democracy and the forces of a ta chrissy. when you look at it like that, isn't any compromise much, much worse and much more corruptive? done even a defeat, isn't it more? isn't it better to move down to make a deal with the devil? but you know, our oldest reminds me of george orwell. nova 984 in this book the by there is a ministry of truth which, ironically is trying to conceal and distort the truth. people center ignore the events that happened long before today's more watch than i did, it's nice. let me, i'm talking about the euro, my done to see as

a result of the processes and events that took place by russia felt i selected my done projects, actually top of the democratically elected government of ukraine who killed over 10000 roughly speaking people living in the eastern part of ukraine coast. busy and then all of a sudden nature continue to expand east with us. so it's just what get these processes do, make me think because the devil of all this i do, we all remember germany likes change the angle. american mason statement, when she commented on the minister agreements, sir, she said, no one had ever taken the cold seriously right from the start. no one thought they could be the foundation for a stable piece. the only reason why there was sign was to by the time i needed to provide more military resources to ukraine and make it stronger, give time to ukraine to brace herself for

a conflict with russia. all this definitely invites comparison with the plans of the devil damaged. that's what they did. instead of pursuing long term peace and stability in europe. and they did it knowingly, being fully aware of the potential consequences of such actions. if it, if i can use that metaphor of the deal with the devil a little bit more, you mentioned your belief in god. and i think this is something that you have in common with many people in the russian literature because of landing and polluted, quoted on a number of occasions and the new testament and blasted out the peacemakers because they will be called the sons of god. and i think he believes truly beliefs personally believes in that statement. and yet for some strategic and personal decision, he made this decision to go to ukraine a with the military force now. and one of the reasons i think if this is something

that i hear in moscow, this is that the russians have lost any hope in peace making in conflict resolution . and you mentioned anglo miracle, who said that who even she has recognized that the west has used every effort to reach peace, tactically, for military purposes. if that's indeed the case, if a piece making is being used for war fighting, shouldn't we give this war a chance? and we allow it to run its natural course. and in this case, where do you think it will and they are the i sent you more extensive medical statements or both? it's disappointing and worrying. yeah, we can see this is a proxy war run by nato and the usa spied administration 1st and foremost. that's all don't open up the boasting calls get all the help and they knew it. and they mentioned that way from the very start for your proxy war as about the conflicts of

ideas that i put on the idea of multiple the world. and the idea, you know, all the, well, i think so with this conflict that's an emotion, part number of processes that began earlier. and i already mentioned that, but in the process of, you know, reached a climax and it's a dangerous one. all the things can go to fall into a full blown world war 3. and that is why i believe is extremely important for all the leaves of the world. regardless of the parties are ideologies to say no to war mongering and say yes to piece. and so the international piece that will bring to complete any policies to the negotiating table. ok, mr. to have me have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. mm. mm hm.

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you specifically about your country, austria, because as a neutral state, they play the very important role in navigating the east west tensions of the 20th century, but it's no longer unfortunately viewed by the russians as an impartial player. neither is by the way, switzerland, finland, and sweden, as he already mentioned, assumed to be members of nato. what i want to ask you is whether you think that the concept of geopolitical neutrality in the 21st century is in any way different from what if man's in the 20th century, i believe that maintaining your child season the always the right way or the neutrality principle is enshrined in the constitution of the republic of austria. but those herculean power in austria, the current government decided to give up new child and abandon the right way, regretfully rotated up like simply school policies in austria. and now even talking about the possibility of joining nato in the future,

which is what sweden and finland doing now. they could be freight and i most definitely against this will be simply because over 80 percent of the austrian people also against the whole thing, we need to always remember this. and i think it's critical to austria should continue to remain neutral state. because a lot depends on that. when i was in that expect up that ultimately this conflict has a reason from a disagreement over the neutrality of ukraine. and i have to stress, it was specifically disagreement over its military neutrality, nodded sovereignty, not as democratic pass, but the military association, which camp ukraine will be attached to. and it is pretty clear that well, this from the russian position that the west, for some reason decided to abandon neutrality of ukraine. why do you think that happened? why do you think it was tempted to break this post cold war order?

reach whether we like it or not, was providing a basis for stability on our continent to see if ukraine would shrine is neutral status and its constitution than the stoical reason. it would probably have to agree with the situation regarding the black sea food and crimea. if you get that money, if it also supports the rights of the russian speaking assistance, would be great if that has been done. it would never come to this war when they get and also need to come in now. so it all started way before 2014 and the goal then you must remember the europe ian union. ukraine association. agree on the talks that are going to day. i was the leader of a political policy and i insisted that those should have been through the way talks a lot the article. basically i insisted that these totes had to involve not only to you and ukraine. also, russia will told them that all slunk out. we needed to invite russia to negotiating

table in order to ensure stability around the situation and to discuss future development together of the author. obviously, the west had no interest primarily the us ministration of film. and i guess there's also another thing up and they go after the german reunification that even though natal obviously did make promises or not expanding further, no such guarantees were given in writing. and they probably already had some thoughts about ukraine. and that's what caused all the tensions and the conflict now developed into a war. i don't know if our austin audience knows that, but ukraine's a name cramer literally means on edge or on the boundary between to different camps or crime proschetti in russian with the law with the loss of political neutrality. it is now an open question where the boundary between

east and the west will lie. what do you think is the most realistic scenario at this point of time with russia having it runs deep into the ukranian territory and having accepted 4 of was former regions into its own territory. where do you think this fighting could stop? what would be this new line, dividing, new wall, dividing the east and west days, but i'm afraid the still it will continue kate and then we may expect the escalation because i don't see any sincere demand for peace in europe. there is no peace. i saw them obviously there will be more sanctions and to aggravate situation . and i only see a desire to keep this war in the interests of the us administration at home around get it done. so i am quite pessimistic because it only me as more suffering for more people not duties. busy and suffering will continue until the party started go shooting. looks in absence of negotiating process if they can only be

a military session. but i think the cranium, as well as the most popular asian on the russian trib also has europe. it's all paper for the up and i hope i think we must all be interesting what's against this war forever and finding a compromise in the name of long lasting peace and stability. i'd like to speak to mister starr. you mentioned that this contract comes with a huge cost to both the russian and ukrainian populations who are losing their lives while losing their livelihoods. but quite clearly, there is also some costs for your appeal people and your own compatriots in austria . what are you most concerned about as far as austria is concerned? first and foremost is but austria and the entirety of europe having some serious economic problems is because of this situation. you know, there's been

a record number bankruptcies among businesses. companies have become an sullivan unemployment rate has risen. many people have already lost their job, but it was based back. i've seen prices have been growing, and this is a huge number of people that many people common for the goods and services they have to be able to fill out if she gets well taken back, seen it. so europe is suffering to europe is involved in his process and he's actually destroying itself or losing his power because he's been losing a lot of production sites. but there's also another great danger to anybody. this regional conflict could set the whole world on the fire. if this risk is real, although many politician in the west don't seem to realize that missing now both a russian and german languages have lots of idioms about the value of good,

mutually respectful, neighborly ties. and i think for the soviet union and later on for russia supplying its energy sources to here was a way of ensuring both income and economic and political stability. do you think western countries have fully understood and appreciated all aspects, economic and political aspects of that partnership? i'm afraid that does, even though some did understand that workforce down they didn't argue in the interests of the european nation versus oil and gas have been the foundation of our success and prosperity in the past decades, abortion russia has been supplying cheap gas not to help the europe in economy stay competitive with that in all of the market. but then the situation changed. book you said was and under the current circumstances of the

united states to benefit the pop up thoughtful, what's going on now is not in the interests of the europe in nations. all that you need. i will answer. it seems that this situation will keep getting worse, or i heard you forecast and you said it in that in our interview as well. that protest and social tensions may intensify as a consequence of energy crisis and food crisis. but do you think people in europe and the united states can still fully and freely practiced politics as a way of influencing national policies? and i'm asking this question because of your own legal issues in the past and of legal troubles that donald trump and people of the right of censure, political persuasions had when they try to go into politics and represent that. electra, do you think politics is still a way to accomplish that change that you would like to see somebody

picking up the people currently holding the top political positions of pushing businesses towards bankruptcy and people towards unemployment. and i big. this only makes people disappointed and angry, i can see for sure that that's what makes them take to the streets and protest. so most certainly there is a political dimension to this will be, i think it's important to understand the going against the current is very hard. there's no stream. we are those people who are challenging the strong mainstream processes face persecution and they get in trouble with some get sidelines pushed out of physical process and their families pay the price of the yeah. and these things are happening right now. kansas leave for the build. essentially paper relation is taking

a fall and get it is comes to the point where people get persecuted, political views, super portal and it's been done on purpose and it's very concerning what will different stuff. he said ok, well mr. try it's not the most optimistic no to and our interview on, but i still wish you all the success in your political endeavors. yeah, that's the least take, you know, and i say one more thing is we finish the week. if you don't mind some options, i'd really like to say i want to thank you. and i suppose what henry kissinger said, we are facing a very dangerous situation. and that's because those who are politically responsible can't properly see the consequences of their actually know what they are ready to put up with the collateral damage. quite willingly, some even ready to put up with the prospects of the nuclear war in africa. they realize that a nuclear power eclipse is a possibility and they consider its acceptable tribal sprague. in other words,

these people quite willingly putting all of humanity at risk. simply collateral damage. it can be overlooked as long as they get what they want to break, especially a circle and start working our way towards each other. but we'll get, we'll, while i $11.00 of the ways to begin this movement towards each other is to engage in conversations that we just have. that's why i'm very grateful to you for your time and for your willingness to express your position here. that thank you, there's an all the blessed you in moscow and thank you for watching hope to see her again next year and may peace and greys be with you and your loved ones a by ah

with mm ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have, it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk ah tucker with the quote issue. just like with as a wolf toward camera, you wishkey bush from which mueller which could below what you see is not

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i does. and i'm with article it, can you post cookie that flow out from cookie, the loading for tissue them yet from facia infectious? we by the same with who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing. i figure which of the problem was the question. i speak on the bill in your senior, mostly mine or wish you were banding all imports of russian oil and gas. new g, i g with joe biden,

imposing the sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang ah, the effect of society, but i'm not. oh my god again. so awesome. no, because i understand that 20 people running your train video has a merge showing the head of a us military group that's been trained in ukrainian force since april. then he's not a big fan of ukraine colon. it corrupt, coming in as the main goal is to fight against the surround accuses london. i've just talked to rolling, i think of the riot that's up to the arrest of several julia.