ah, ah mm mm mm welcome to, well, to part for all the parallels between the hottest phases of the cold war and the current tensions between east and west. there's at least one crucial difference the neutrality of some european nations that was consciously created and maintained as a balance between the 2 accounts in the 20th century is no more. on the contrary, the neutral status of ukraine, this basis of post cold war stability is now in the ruins. what does it mean for security in europe? oh, to discuss that,

i'm now joined by all stress former vice chancellor highest christian strand. this is truck. it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time to go. if i lose my pleasure to be a greetings from vienna, your willingness to engage with us is not only very valuable, but i have to say a little bit surprising because many european politicians, even with non consensus positions, don't dare to all voice it openly. these days let alone on their russian t. v. station. why did you agree to talk to us and aren't you concerned about the repercussions? first, the truth is not always something definite would be push back. if you don't be coded, you become an accomplice. if you don't do anything, that's the only class, i'm glad that's why it's important because to talk about the causes of what is happening that i am saying this constantly because you see

the church is god almighty. in the end, he'll hold his account for everything. all we keep this in mind, i remembered old times that we can keep silence. that's why i want my voice to be heard in the name of peace, my neutral voice. i'm really grateful for that, and i'm particularly grateful for you mentioning the freedom of expression, freedom of thought, which had been european values, cor european values since the enlightened era. but at this point of time, it seems that any difference of opinions is not just the discouraged, it's openly suppressed. why do you think it is unity or, or rather conformity? that is so valued by european politicians these days rather than true diversity of views. you're absolutely right. i think it's this is something to give thought, to be honest with me on the one hand, i don't know,

dealing with the mainstream media here. the dominance of one opinion, she decided we actually today is it really interest correct before freedom of expression and democracy understand all this clearly goes again called principal such democracy and freedom. if i said the current situation in europe is very saddening, garbage by citizens with all turn cities facing accusations of treason there, increasing the stigmatize and marsh. it's a shame, a separate thing. and i know that you personally went through some of that because of your political views. but before we go there, let's talk about the most division and perhaps the most dangerous issue in europe. this days i'm talking about the russian military operation in ukraine. and i heard

you say recently the europe isn't the middle of this very harsh and very cool war, or which the russian incursion into ukraine, which i have to say you condemn. this operation is one of the factors. what are some of the other factors and more specifically, what role do you think the repeal union is playing in that war? ya, we did see russia starts and aggressive take to don't let me then afford, however, this war has a history for certain reasons behind it was the old don't get me wrong. i'm not trying to justify this war. you have to pay attention to the causes of this conflict. the regular use one of the losing parts complex, which at present is limited to one region. i found florida. europe is also done. so

the, by the ministrations channel, you losing all levels of i can nominate social political. i'll talk about tonight, a non global arena, the ears playing and extremely insignificant marginal knowledge today. but if we want to remedy the situation and read to understand the reasons behind all this, you know, we are facing serious regional conflict. but when our no one is willing to launch a european and be initiative a shape into something, actionable. what we are witnessing today, opposite trying to parties of all kinds are emerging on the political scene, including the rafa and what they are actually doing is adding fuel to the fires of war. it's very dangerous message to her in describing this, why you made a very interesting and i think acute observation, you said that politics as such is missing in the current developments. and instead,

everything is being handled kinetically through supplies or weapons or training of troops rather than talking or arguing. and i think that's something very important to understand. the politics is our best, so turn it in to actual war fighting. do you think there is still any way of bringing politics and negotiations back into this conflict? you're right. the question is whether our political leaders are getting in a reasonable, sensible way. in fact, they will only regain the common sense when people go to the streets and the crash of the process becomes unbearable to goals via or the base. i know lots of european dissatisfied because you is not come up with me. and these initiatives are the ones to be reckoned with.

the thank give us the talk to us for which and moreover, i believe that the pressure of protest and if people discontent with you could lead to the lifting of sanctions. but the homie, lots of european politicians can stop the suffering of the people in the long term . that is pretty clear. every european citizen he believes in pieces, the ongoing conflict can only be resolved on go shooting table. but his lads only told, can stop the human suffering and create disabled peace, both in ukraine and beyond that. but he does now mister stuffy, just express your concern about the lack of any piece proposals from europe. but if we look at how russia is portrayed in western media, it is portrayed akin to the devil, and it's not even the figure of speech. this whole conflict is described in very ontological terms as a battle between the forces of good and the forces of fable. the forces of

democracy and the forces of a ta chrissy. when you look at it like that, isn't any compromise much, much worse and much more corruptive, done even a defeat, isn't it more? isn't it better to lose then to make a deal with the devil. but you know, our oldest reminds me of george orwell. nobody. 984. in this book the by there is a ministry of truth which, ironically is trying to conceal in stuart the truth. but people tend to ignore the events that happened long before today's more than i did, it's nice, let me know i'm talking about the euro. my done to see results, other processes and events that took place like russia felt isolated. my done projects actually help the democratically elected government of ukraine who killed over 10000 roughly speaking people living in the eastern parts and ukraine,

the coast. busy and then all of a sudden need to continue to expand east with us. so it's just what get these processes do, make me think of the devil's de la. all. we all remember germany exchange for america. mason statements when she commented on the men's ca grievance. see, she said, no one had ever taken the cord seriously, right on the star guns. no one thought they could be the foundation for a stable piece. the only reason why they were signed by the time i needed to provide more military resources to ukraine and make it stronger, give time to ukraine to brace myself for a conflict with russia. and all this definitely invites comparison with the plans of the devil leveraged up. that's what they did. instead of pursuing long term peace and stability in europe. and they did it knowingly being fully aware of the

potential consequences of such actions. if you can use that metaphor of the deal with the devil a little bit more, you mentioned your believe in god. and i think this is something that you have in common with many people in the russian leadership because of law to me, put in quoted on a number of occasions, the new testament and blasted the peacemakers because they will be called the sons of god. and i think he will, if truly belief, personally believes in that statement them yet for some strategic and personal decision, he made this decision to go to ukraine a with the military force now. and one of the reasons i think at least is something that i hear in moscow. the space is that the russians have lost any hope in peace making in conflict resolution. and you mentioned, i'm go america. who said that, who even she has recognized that the west has used every effort to reach peace,

tactically, for military purposes. if that's indeed the case, if peace making is being used for war fighting, should we give this war a chance? and we allow it to run a natural course and in this case, where do you think you will and the chancellor medical payments are both. it's disappointing and worrying. we can see, oh, this is a proxy was run by nato adam, the usa spied administration 1st and foremost on the shelf minutes. that's all. don't buy them open, but yep, the boosting. cough gentlemen help them to, they knew it, and they mentioned that way from the very start from anna proxy. war is about the conflict of ideas that i put on the idea of multiple the world. and the idea, you know, all the world i think ac. so with this conflict, such an emotion,

part number of processes that began earlier, and i already mentioned that looking back on these process have now reached a climax. and it's a dangerous one. all these things can go too far due to a full blown world war 3. and that is why i believe is extremely false info. all the political leaders of the world, regardless of their parties, all ideologies to say no to war mongering and say yes to peace and to the international peace out there. we're bringing the complete to the policies to the negotiating table. okay, mr. tucker, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. ah hi. ah ah

ah. by the middle of the 19th century, practically the whole of india had been under the rule of the british empire. the colonial authorities had imposed that heavy death bringing the people into poverty and were exporting natural resources. and moreover, these authorities absolutely had no consideration for the dozens of the local population, treating them like 2nd class citizens. the british were showing signs of disrespect even to those who corroborated with them. the fact of ignoring the religious beliefs of the hindus led to the mutiny of the boys mercenary soldiers serving under the british ground. 3000000000 began on the 10th of may 1850 route north of india. in the form of a mutiny. the rebels quickly took over daily and

a half years, however, the forces were not equal. the colonial authorities dealt with the rebels cruelly. dean's slaves, the boys were tied to the mouth of the cannon and were shot right through their bodies for the amusement of the public. these type of execution was called the devils with the obliteration of the mutiny, resulted in the dead. 800000 inhabitants of india. however, the british empire never broke the free spirit of the indians and their will are resisted. mm mm. mm. welcome back to well to part with austria's former vice chancellor hines. christians, trahan is a strong let me ask you specifically about your country, austria, because as a neutral stay, they play the very important role in navigating the east west tensions of the 20th

century. but it's no longer, unfortunately viewed by the russians as an impartial player. neither is by the way, switzerland, finland, and sweden, as you already mentioned, as soon to be members of nato. what i want to ask you is whether you think that the concept of geopolitical neutrality in the 21st century is in any way different from what it meant in the 20th century. if i didn't, you know, i believe that maintaining you chelsea's always the right way or the neutrality principle is enshrined in the constitution of the republic of austria. but those are accordion power in australia, by a current government decided to give you an abandon the right way, regretfully rotated the last simply school policies in austria. and now even talking about the possibility of joining nato in the future, which is what sweden and finland they're doing now, they can be shred. and i most definitely against this will be simply because over

80 percent of the austrian people also against the people thing, we need to always remember this. and i think it's critical to austria should continue to remain neutral state. because a lot depends on that analysis. it's in the expect up now ultimately, this conflict has a reason from a disagreement over the neutrality of ukraine, and i have to stress, it was specifically disagreement over its military neutrality nodded sovereignty, not as democratic crane will be attached to it is pretty clear that well this is the russian position that the west, for some reason decided to abandon the neutrality of ukraine. why do you think that happened? why do you think it was tempted to break this post cold war order? reach whether we like it or not, was providing a basis for stability on our continent does right to see if you cream with shrine it's neutral status and it's constitution than the storage reason. it would

probably have to agree with the situation regarding the black sea food and crimea. if you get that money, if it also supports the rights of the russian speaking systems recurring. if that has been done, it would never come to this war to get into all his needs. so please call me on now. so it all started way before 2014. and the goal. then you must remember your opinion ukraine association. agree on the talks that are going to day, i was a political policy and i insisted that those should have been through the way talks a lot. the article basically insisted that these totes had to involve not only to you and ukraine. also russia to homes are told a little slant, we needed to invite russia to negotiating table in order to ensure stability around the situation and to discuss future development together. obviously the west had no interest,

primarily the us and ministration of john and others. and there's also another thing up and they go after the german reunification that even though nato obviously did make promises or not expanding further for no such guarantees were given in writing. and they probably already had some thoughts about ukraine by 4. and that's what caused all the tensions. and the conflict now developed into a wall. i don't know if our austin audience knows that, but ukraine's a name cramer literally means on edge or on the boundary or between 2 different camps or cry. peruse, get in russian with the law with the law. so the political neutrality, it is now an open question, where the boundary between east and west will lie. what do you think is the most realistic scenario of this point of time with russia having and once deep into the ukranian territory and having accepted for with former regions into its own

territory? where do you think this fighting could stop? what could be this new line, dividing new walls, dividing the east and west dais. i'm afraid that the still it is, will continue kate and then we may expect the escalation because i don't see any sincere demand for peace in europe. there is no peace. i saw them, obviously there will be more sanctions in to aggravate the situation. and i only see a desire to keep up this war in the interests of the us administration home get it done. so i am quite pessimistic because it only means more suffering for more people, not duties and suffering will continue until the party started. osha lives in absence of negotiating process if they can only be a military station. but i think the cranium, as well as the most popular asian on the russian trib also has europe. it's all those to ship a very good deal for the up to this. i hope i think we must all be interesting

to get an answer wolf ever. and finding a compromise in the name of long lasting peace and stability. i did not speak to mister starr. you mentioned that this contract comes with a huge cost to both the russian and ukrainian populations who are losing their lives while losing their livelihoods. but quite clearly, there is also some costs for your appeal people and your own compatriots in austria . what are you most concerned about as far as austria is concerned? first and foremost, austria and the entirety of europe having some serious economic problems. because of this situation, you know, there's been a record number, bankruptcies among businesses. companies have become sullivan, you unemployment rate has risen. many people have already lost their job. just sit

back. i've seen prices have been growing, and this is a huge number of people that many people can't afford the goods and services they used to be able to fill out if she gets well taken by for seen it. so europe is suffering to europe is involved in his process and he's actually destroying itself still losing his power because he's been losing a lot of production sites. but there's also another great danger to anybody. this regional conflict could set the whole world on the fire. the, this risk is real, although many politician in the west don't seem to realize that ms thing. now both a russian and german languages have lots of age, arms about the value of good, mutually respectful, neighborly ties. and i think for the soviet union and later on for russia supplying its energy sources to here was

a way of ensuring both income and economic and political stability. do you think western countries have fully understood and appreciated all aspects, economic and political aspects of that partnership? i'm afraid that does my, even though some did understand their workforce down, they didn't argue in the interests of the european nations versus oil and gas had been the foundation of our success and prosperity in the past decade. bush, russia has been supplying cheap gas not to help the europe in economy, stay competitive with that in a job market. but then the situation changed. book simple and under the current circumstances of the united states to benefit the pocket thoughtful, the more going on now is not in the interest of the european nations all that you need. and so it seems that the situation will keep getting worse. or

i heard you forecast and you said it in that in our interview as well. that protest and social tensions may intensify as a consequence of energy crisis and food crisis. but do you think people in europe and the united states can still fully and freely practiced politics as a way of influencing national policies? and i'm asking this question because of your own legal issues in the past and of legal troubles that don't know, trump and people of the right of censure, political persuasions had when they try to go into politics and represent that. electra, do you think politics is still a way to accomplish that change that you would like to see what we think of the people currently holding the top political positions of

pushing businesses towards bankruptcy and people towards unemployment. and i big. this only makes people disappointed and angry, i can see for sure that that's what makes them take to the streets and protest. so most certainly there is a physical dimension to this will be, i think it's important to understand the going against the current is very hard finished. obviously we are those people who are challenging the strong mainstream processes face persecution and they get in trouble. some get sidelines pushed out of physical process and their families pay the price of them. and these things are happening right now. our lease pulled up will be built essentially because the relation is taking a fall and get is comes to the point where people get persecuted, political views, super portal and it's been done on purpose and it's very concerning decision will different stuff. he said ok,

well mr. try it's not the most optimistic no to and our interview on, but i still wish you all the success in your political endeavors. yeah, that's the least take, you know, and i say one more thing is we finish the week. if you don't mind some options, i'd really like to be included. i want to thank you and i suppose what henry kissinger said, we are facing a very dangerous situation. and that's because those who are the responsible cons properly see the consequences of their actual will. that they are ready to put the collateral damage quite willingly, even ready to put up with the prospects of the nuclear war in africa. they realize that a nuclear power eclipse is a possibility, and they consider its acceptable tribals for these people quite willingly. putting all of humanity at risk, simply collateral damage. it can be overlooked as long as they get what they want

to break, especially a circle is not working our way towards each other, but we'll get we'll trip while out. $11.00 of the ways to begin this movement towards each other is to engage in conversations that we just have. that's why i'm very grateful to you for your time and for your willingness to express your position here. thank you for that. all the blessed you in moscow, and thank you for watching hope to sera again next year and may peace and greys be with you and your loved ones. a by, ah ah ah

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