ah, with with mm welcome to well, to part for all the parallels between the hottest phases of the cold war and the current tensions between east and west. there's at least one crucial difference the neutrality of some european nations that was consciously created and maintained as a balance between the 2 accounts in the 20th century is no more on the contrary,

the neutral status of ukraine. this basis, of course, the cold war stability is now in the ruins. what does it mean for security in europe? well, to discuss that, i'm now joined by oscar as former vice chancellor highest christian strand. this is truck. it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time to go. if i lose my pleasure to be a greetings from vienna, your willingness to engage with us is not only very valuable, but i have to say a little bit surprising because many european politicians, even with non consensus positions, don't dare to all voice it openly. this, they've let alone on their russian t. v. station. why did you agree to talk to us and aren't you concerned about the repercussions? first, the truth is not always something definite. would be a big push back. if you don't be coded, you become an accomplice. if you don't do anything, that is the only class coupe,

glad more. that's why it's important. i speak talk about the causes of what is happening. that i am saying this constant is because x, you see the judge is god almighty. in the end, he'll hold as account for everything and we keep this in mind. i remember at all times that we can keep silence. that's why one, why the voice to be heard in the name of peace, my neutral voice. i'm really grateful for that, and i'm particularly grateful for you mentioning the freedom of expression, freedom of thoughts which have been european values, cor european values since the enlightened era. but at this point of time, it seems that any difference of opinions is not just discouraged. it's openly suppressed. why do you think it is unity or rather conformity, that is so valued by european politicians these days rather than true diversity of

views. you're absolutely right. i think it's, this is something to give thought, to be honest with me on the one hand, i don't know dealing with the mainstream media here. the dominance of one opinion, she decided we actually today is it really impress, correct the full freedom of expression and democracy that i listed the all this clearly goes again called principal such democracy and freedom of speech. and a current situation in europe is very saddening. been by citizens with all turn cities facing accusations of treason, daring, increasing the stigmatize and marsh. it's a shame, a separate thing and i know that you personally went through some of that because of your political views. but before we go there,

let's talk about the most division, and perhaps the most dangerous issue in europe is days. i'm talking about the russian military operation in ukraine. and i heard you say recently that europe is in the middle of this very harsh and very cool war of which the russian incursion into ukraine, which i have to say you condemn. this operation is one of the factors. what are some of the other factors and more specifically, what role do you think they are? appeal union is playing in that war? ya, we did see russia starts and aggressive take to do all of that up for however, this war has a history for certain reasons. behind it was the alls don't get me wrong. i'm not trying to justify this war. you have to pay attention to the causes of this conflict in the regular use, $1.00 of the losing parts complex,

which at present is limited to one region. i, counsellor to europe, is done so the, by the ministration to change the race you losing it at all levels of i can nominate me social political. i'll talk about tonight and on the global arena, the use playing an extremely insignificant marginal knowledge today. if we want to remedy the situation, we need to understand the reasons behind all this company we are facing serious regional conflict. but when we, our mill one is willing to launch a european based initiative shape if it's something actionable. what we're witnessing today, opposite transit parties of all kinds are emerging on the political scene, including the rafa. and while they are actually doing is adding fuel to defies of

war is very dangerous in describing this why you made a very interesting and i think acute surveys and you said that politics as such is missing in the current developments. and instead, everything is being handled kinetically through supplies or weapons or training of troops rather than talking or arguing. and i think that's something very important to understand. the politics is our best alternative to actual war fighting. do you think there are still any way of bringing politics and negotiations back into this conflict? you're right. the question is whether our political leaders are acting in a reasonable, sensible way. in fact, they will only be gain the common sense when people go to the streets and the crash of the protests becomes unbearable to goals or the base. i know that

a lot of european dissatisfied because you have not come up with any of these initiatives or the ones to be reckoned with. all the thank you talk to us for moreover, i believe that the pressure protest people discontent with the could lead to the lifting of the functions. but the homie, lots of european politicians can stop the suffering of the people in the long term . that is pretty clear. every european citizen he believes in peace to the ongoing conflict can only be resolved unco shooting table. but his lads only told can stop the human suffering and create disabled peace, both in ukraine and beyond that. but he now mr. trusting you just express your concern about the lack of any peace proposals from your a. but if we look at how russia is portrayed in western media, it is portrayed akin to the devil and it's not even the figure of speech. this

whole conflict is described in very ontological terms as a battle between the forces of good and the forces of fable, the forces of democracy and the forces of a talk. chrissy. when you look at it like that, isn't any compromise much, much worse and much more corruptive? done even a defeat, isn't it more? isn't it better to move down to make a deal with the devil? but you know, our oldest reminds me of george orwell. nova 984 in this book the by there is a ministry of truth which, ironically is trying to conceal and distort the truth. but people tend to ignore the events that happened long before today's more watch than i did, it's nice. let me know. i'm talking about the euro, my done to see as a result of the processes and events that took place like russia felt isolated. my

don't know, projects actually top of the democratically elected government of ukraine who killed over 10000 roughly speaking people living in the eastern parts and labor coast. busy and then all of a sudden nature continue to expand east with us. so it's just what get these processes to do to make me think of the devil. we are. all we all remember germany exchange america since statements when she commented on the midst agreements. so she said that no one had ever taken the cold seriously right from the start. no one thought they could be the foundation for a stable piece. the only reason why there was sign was to by the time i needed to provide more military resources to ukraine and make it stronger, give time to ukraine to brace herself for a conflict with russia. all this definitely invites comparison with the plans of

the devil, then that's what they did. instead of pursuing long term peace and stability in europe. and they did it knowingly being funny, aware of the potential consequences of such actions. if i can use that metaphor of the deal with the devil, a little bit more you mentioned you believe in god. and i think this is something that you have in common with many people in the russian literature because of landing and polluted quoted on a number of occasions on the new testament and blasted out the peacemakers because they will be called the sons of god. and i think he believes truly beliefs personally believes in that statement. and yet for some strategic and personal decision, he made this decision to go to ukraine a with the military force now. and one of the reasons i think this, this something that i hear in moscow this, this is that the russians have lost any hope in peace making in conflict resolution

. and you mentioned anglo miracle, who said that who even she has recognized that the west has used every effort to reach peace, tactically, for military purposes. if that's indeed the case. if a peacemaking is being used for war fighting, shouldn't we give this war a chance? and we allow it to run its natural course. and in this case, where do you think it will and they are the i sent you more extensive medical statements or both. it's all disappointing and worrying. we can see, oh, this is a proxy war run by nato and the u. s. h by demonstration. first and foremost, michelle minutes got old, old old by him opened was empty, boasting cough gentlemen help them to, they knew it. and they mentioned that way from the very start region anna. so just need your proxy war as about the conflicts of ideas that i put on the idea of

multiple the world and the idea unipolar world against east up votes. yet with this conflict, such an emotion, part number of processes that began earlier. and i already mentioned that looking back on these process, have now reached a climax. payton payton is a dangerous one. all the things can go too far leading to a full blown world war 3. and that is why i believe is extremely false info. all the critical leaves of the world regardless of the parties all ideologies to say. no, no, it's a wal mart going and say yes to piece and to the international piece. i think that would bring the complete to any policies to the negotiating table. okay, mr. to have me have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. secand. ah

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the me or the welcome back to was a part smith, austria former vice chancellor hines, christians try her. this is true. let me ask you specifically about your country, austria, because as a neutral state, they play the very important role in navigating the east west tensions of the 20th century, but it's no longer unfortunately viewed by the russians as an impartial player. neither is by the way, switzerland, finland, and sweden, as he already mentioned, as soon to be members of nato. what i want to ask you is whether you think that the concept of geopolitical neutrality in the 21st century is in any way different from

what it's meant in the 20th century. i believe that maintaining your child season the always the right way or the neutrality principle is enshrined in the constitution of the republic of austria. but those herculean power in austria, the current government decided to give up new child and abandon the right way, regretfully rotated the leg up some political policies in austria. and now even talking about the possibility of joining nato in the future. me, which is what sweden and finland doing now. they can be written. i most definitely against this will be simply because over 80 percent of the austrian people also against the whole thing, we need to always remember this. and i think it's critical to austria should continue to remain neutral state. because a lot depends on that. when i was in that expect up that ultimately this conflict has a reason from a disagreement over the neutrality of ukraine. and i have to stress, it was specifically disagreement over its military neutrality, nodded sovereignty,

not as democratic path, but the military association reached camp ukraine will be attached to and it is pretty clear that well, this is the russian position that the west, for some reason decided to abandon the neutrality of ukraine. why do you think that happened? why do you think it was tempted to break this post cold war order? reach whether we like it or not, was providing a basis for stability on our continent. yeah, that's right. to see if you crane with shrine it's neutral status and it's constitution than the story reason. it would probably have to agree with the situation regarding the black sci fi and crimea, if you, if it also supports the rights of the russian speaking systems recurring. if that has been done, it would never come to this war and also see where it needs. so please call me on

turkey now. so it all started way before 2014 and the goal then you must remember europe ian union. ukraine association. agree on the talks that are going to day, i was the leader of a political party and i insisted that those should have been through the way talks a lot that i think is basic. i insisted the whole how to involve not only to you and ukraine, also russia to homes up, coma told them it all, slunk all we needed to invite russia to negotiating table in order to ensure stability around the situation and to discuss future development together. often obviously the west had no interest, primarily the us and ministration of film. and i'm like this. and there's also another thing of the stuff and they go after the german reunification that even though nato obviously did make promises or not expanding further for no such guarantees were given in writing. and they probably already had some thoughts about ukraine by 4. and that's who caused all the tensions and the conflict now developed

into a law. i don't know if our austin audience knows that, but ukraine's a name krajina literally means on edge or on the boundary or between 2 different camps or crime proschetti in russian with the law with the law. so from political neutrality, it is now an open question, where the boundary between east and the west will lie. what do you think is the most realistic scenario at this point of time with russia having it runs deep into the ukranian territory and having accepted 4 of us former regions into its own territory? where do you think this fighting could stop? what could be this new line, dividing, new wall, dividing the east and west does. but i'm afraid the law still it will continue kate and then we may expect the escalation because i don't see any sincere demand

for peace in europe. there is no peace. i saw them obviously, but there will be more sanctions and to aggravate for situation. and i only see a desire to keep up this war in the interests of the us administration to home get it done. so i am quite pessimistic because they're only me more suffering for more people, not duties, and suffering will continue until the party start negotiated. in absence of a negotiating process if they can only be a military session. but i think the crane unions as well as the relation on the russian trip and it also has europe. it's all the ills tissue paper that will develop station for the up. and i hope all this, i think we must all be interesting. but again, this wolf ever and finding a compromise in the name of long lasting piece of stability. i didn't like to speak to mister starr. you mentioned that this contract comes with a huge cost to both the russian em ukrainian populations who are losing their lives

and losing their livelihoods. but quite clearly, there is also some costs for your appeal people and your own compatriots in austria . what are you most concerned about as far as austria is concerned? so my 1st and foremost is but austria and the entirety of europe having some serious economic problems. because of this situation, you know, there's been a record number bankruptcies among businesses. companies have become an sullivan, you unemployment rate has risen. many people have already lost that job. but it was, bank, bank prices have been growing, and this is a huge number of people that many people common for the goods and services they used to be able to get well taken by it. so europe is suffering

to europe is involved in his process and he's actually destroying itself, joan or losing his company power because he's been losing a lot of production sites. there's also another great danger to this regional conflict could set the whole world on the fire. the. this risk is real, although many politician in the west don't seem to realize it missing. now both a russian and german languages have lots of age. arms about the value of good, mutually respectful, neighborly ties and i think for the soviet union and later on for russia supplying its energy sources to here was a way of ensuring both income and economic and political stability. do you think western countries have fully understood and appreciated all aspect, economic and political aspects of that partnership? no, i'm afraid that does my, even though some did understand that workforce down,

they didn't argue in the interests of the european nations, asian versus oil and gas had been the foundation of our success and prosperity in the past decades, abortion russia has been supplying cheap gas not to help the europe in economy, stay competitive with that job of the market. but then the situation changed. but she said, and under the current circumstances, i love to give the united states to benefit the thoughtful what's going on now is not in the interests of european nations. all the news will answer, it seems the situation will keep getting worse or i heard you forecast and you said it in that in our interview as well. that protest and social tensions may intensify as a consequence of energy crisis and food crisis. but do you think people in europe

and the united states can still fully and freely practiced politics as a way of influencing national policies? and i'm asking this question because of your own legal issues in the past and of legal troubles that donald trump and people of the right of censure, political persuasions had when they try to go into politics and represent that. electra, do you think politics is still a way to accomplish that change that you would like to see? i can think of the people currently holding the top political positions of pushing businesses towards bankruptcy and people towards unemployment. and i big deal. this only makes people disappointed and angry, i can see for sure that that's what makes them take to the streets and protests. so most certainly, there is a political dimension to this will be, it's important to understand the going against. the current is very hard. stokes,

when we are those people who are challenging the strong mainstream processes face persecution and they get in trouble with some get sidelines pushed out of physical process and their families pay the price of them. and these things are happening right now and the need for the job build essentially because the relation is taking a full and get it comes to the point where people get persecuted, physical views, super portal and it's been done on purpose. and it's very concerning. what will different stuff? he said ok, well mr. try it's not the most optimistic no to and our interview on, but i still wish you all the success in your political endeavors does maybe like the week, you know, i like to say one more thing is we finish the week if you don't mind of option was

it, i'd really like it to be included. i want to thank you. and i suppose what henry kissinger said, we are facing a very dangerous situation on us because those who are politically responsible can't properly see the consequences of their action. that they are ready to put up with the collateral damage quite willingly when some even ready to put up with the prospects of a nuclear war. at albuquerque, they realized that the nuclear po clips is a possibility and they consider its acceptable. in other words, these people quite willingly putting all of humanity at risk and check on it simply collateral. it can be overlooked, as long as they get what they want me to break. especially circle, it's been stopped working our way towards each other another so good. while i $11.00 of the ways to begin this movement towards each other is to engage in conversations that we just had. that's why i'm very grateful to you for your time

and for your willingness to express your position here. thank you. and all that us to you in moscow, and thank you for watching hope to hear again next year and me piece and greys. be with you and your loved ones. a by ah ah, ah lisa hunter, russian state. oh, never be as tight as on the north landscape div asking him then i'll send them up

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