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ah, ah ah, ah. hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i am peter lavelle by any measure. the year 2022 has been transformative. the conflict in ukraine, global inflation, growing food insecurity, and the west demand that you are with this or against is dominated our attention. on this addition of cross talk, we discussed some of these issues and more ah cross

stocking 2022. i'm joined by my guess here in moscow, gs ivy morrow. he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis chapel. we also have maxine schwarzkopf. he is the director of the center for advanced american studies at moscow state institute of international relations. and in budapest we cross the george samuel alley. he's a podcast her at the at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. hard gentleman crosswalk rules and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want . and i always appreciate george, let me go to you 1st in budapest, i suppose it's kind of an understatement on the, on the, on my part of your but what was the event to the idea, the person that transformed this year? because i think all of us would agree, maybe not on what did it the most, but it was a transfer of transformational year. go ahead, george a transformational year because of what happened in february

was the end of the post cold war era. the end of the era of the unit bowl a moment in which the west. gov, to demand that this is the way the world has to be ordered and everybody have to jump to it. and russia, shafter that equations. and by doing that, and by withstanding everything that the west nato, the united states, through the mother of all sanctions, that they boast the, all of the weapon systems that they sent into ukraine. by doing that, russia essentially shattered that, that moment. and, and the rest of the world is looked on and i think, but it's going to be very, very difficult for the west to recover from that at the some to restore the,

the humanity that he had been boasting of the 1989 and we are most famous at the end of history ethic. well mac, same basically the same questionnaire. i mean, we, we had, with george bush senior talk about a new world order, which has been widely discussed. but i think in this year we do have a new world order. it's maybe not very neat and clean and smooth, but something is emerging. and i agree with george. we're leaving something in the past. maxime, your thought was as, as the 911. the trust that is concluded to be era of 990 s. and the marked perhaps the start of the end of the uniform world will be the fuller moment as they, you know, brenda, the back of 990 s. i think this year they conflict in you putting in has marked an ending to the era of took thousands where russia has sought to find

a common denominator in relation where the west predominantly based on this counterterrorism agenda, which has not been embraced on a number of occasions by western counterparts. so we're now definitely entering a new era. we don't know what it is, so we perhaps cannot call it in any way but call it. but what it is not that is it's been end of post post bipolar era. and the reason that there are so many emerging power, so in the global self, in particular, that are now very much, i wouldn't say they're dictating the terms, but their policies matter so much more than they used to matter. even 10 years ago, 5 years ago tells us that this probably centric world is shaping up objectively. yeah, well, i mean, exactly a, the, the west isn't taking that very easily. okay. i think all of us can agree on that, but a gemini, you know, once you have it, you don't like to lose it. exactly. you know, for me, the, in this year,

one event kind of crystallized everything that we've already said here was the destruction of the north stream pipelines. ok. and it remains a mystery for some people here. but that it's a metaphor and it's, it's very physical. if it's material, there was a huge breach. that is not going to be healed for a very long time. a yes, of course, did 2022. it's the, the, you're of the destruction of the european economy, not by russia, but by washington. and as you are perfectly and the ryan we observed that london or washington, it's not so important can destroy a pipelines with a very fundamental, inevitable infrastructure for the content. europa and naser bell in nor perry's dare to even just saying it's not russia,

it's which will lead beer already a thing, but they didn't dare say anything on the who is guilty. so in my opinion, the most important fact is the complete destruction of the, of the so the complete destruction of the, of the european economy by washington, and no naser, again, 1000000000. know, paris did say something. well, it's actually interesting. you mentioned that george, i mean, you know, we, i think that, you know, one thing that marks the, the year that's ending is this, this amazing propaganda program program of not allowing any kind of descent on that ukraine and narrative. it's really extraordinary. a lot of people have been denied platforms. r t that you're on right now has been attacked. but what is really happened is that we keep hearing about unity, unity, unity, zalinski goes to washington unity. but you know, exactly is absolutely right. you know, paris and berlin will never say anything now against american hegemony will just

have to suck it up. george. yeah, that's exactly right. and the arrogance that the united states displaced to war, it's close allies is quite extraordinary. via mentions about the north stream pipelines . they know perfectly well who did it, and we know it because of the silence was like this evidence that russia was behind it. then you know, we wouldn't have the end of it. i mean, way, when we just constant barking from everyone in europe is that there is science, they know perfectly well who's behind it, and they keeping quiet about it. then we have the business of the european dependence on liquefied natural gas from the united states. so micron comes along as a big war times as much war liquefied natural gas as the americans. and how

does the vitamin station react? i would say, yeah. ok, that's what you're doing. but what about your inflation reduction? i, you know, you prioritizing american industry european industry and so the, in the americans are the americans do not care. they do not care. the whole policy in ukraine has been driven by the united states, you know, all the way back to 2008 when the bush administration insisted on making that promise to ukraine about, eventually nato membership. the europe, it's about no say in this and they have to bear the cost. and, you know, as we head into the new year, we know that anything that you're going to want some sort of a settlement in your grade. they don't have the means at all, all the insisting on the li americans will swell any agreement. then they're not happy with. it will be decided on america stuff, or at least that's our washington,

that we don't care at all what paris and berlin has to say. you know, maxine this year also marks, at least in my opinion, being historian of russian history is that this breach that we have within the european land masses that russia after 300 years is basically at least for the time being to turn it back on europe and that, that is world historic maxime, that is true. however, i think, you know, and we're already hearing this noises that russia should've been doing this. and different organizations in russia had just has to leave your brain and that thinks will be back on track. i think those who are advocating the stands, they're not really realised, mitchell scope, the kind of the mental shift that has happened over the past few months in the russian society, perhaps even more than the russian leads. but the russian leaves are shifting as well. perhaps in just a slower pace, and these, you know,

this trying to build links with the rest of the world with it, with the needle eastern countries for the asian countries be so big. and that is actually, you know, as happens in the past, russian history that the major shifts had to happen because of some crisis. you know, it usually russia slowed to react to changes on until, you know, there is some crisis situation where it just has to do so. such was the case during world war 2, where most of the industries the carried the soviet union success were built during the, during the most, the hardest and toughest years of the work, such as the case right now. and the problem is, if you know things are saddled over some time, it will be hard to, you know, return over things that are being loss. now that, that is the case for the companies that prefer to leave russia. that is the case for the industries that have now are under going to be are changes in dramatic

changes. and i think eventually it will be harder loss. and one of the programs, peter, you mentioned that, you know, the calculus is right now for the europeans to get through this winter. but the long term challenge is getting through the other and we defined winter and this is the normal, this is in reality and everyone will have to adapt. yeah, well exactly, before we go to the break here, i mean, you know, there's always been this question. you know, does russia need europe more than europe needs rush? well, i think that question is being answered. i mean, russia is the most sanctioned country in the world. life is fine. okay. everybody's getting a, getting through it. okay, sure. there are some annoyances, but i can't, i don't think the europeans can say the same thing as the average russian gavia before we go to the break ahead. yes, of course, the europe completely under estimate the weight of the russian economy in the european economy. because they were considering that, okay,

it's on the for percent under world or the world markets, but it, so maybe it's globally 3 percent, but it's very important for us for fatalities or it's very important for energy. it's very important for nuclear energies her and their estimates is, is as well. and actually, the waste globally completely under estimated the weight of the russian economy, the power of his army, the determination of not only of vladimir putin but of the origin of the russian population. and the just lay 22 under my lot, one year ago. exactly. vladimir putin. a tried to give one last chance to enforce exactly. exactly. hold that thought. ready to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the year. that's about to pass. stay with our team . ah

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tremonti we're discussing 2022. okay, let's go back to exactly a here in moscow we, we ran into a hard break and you didn't get to finish your point, so please do now. go ahead. thank you peter. yet i drew just would like to to underline that, and in my opinion, it would when it will remain in history that one year ago. exactly one year ago, ready, me put in, tried to give a last chance to were friends to were germany and even to nato, to implement derminger agreement, which would have been implemented in foster on december 2015. so we, so our long vladimir putin waits till earth started the suspicious apparition. so actually, and paradoxically, what we observe is that putting gave a last chance to nato. and unfortunately, we so and know we exactly know that

a dimension agreement where never assigned to be implemented. as exactly said, natalie, mr. parish, uncle but her no. on angela mackerel. and i'm sure they the same for, for paris. that's all this agreements with don't to a, to not to be implemented at. that's given node. a very important question exactly. was said, the man, the dement, remember it if 2 days ago that there is nobody which with which we can sign and about what we are going to science or the problem in 2023. it's what can i, what kind of agreement can be reached? well enough, it was nobody or we can trust. yes, i that is the point here, georgina agreement incapable. it's, i think that is a brilliant russian word. it's actually getting greater currency. ok. i came across a maybe like 2 years ago, but george and i kind of a,

an extension to what exactly it was saying. you know, when i look at the, the propaganda coverage of this conflict, mister zalinski goes to washington and all this. but george, russia, security demands, have not changed. and this is something that, you know, we're responsible, state craft and all these people, they don't want to recognize as they're in their own bubble here. and i want to address the same question to maxime here, but you know, we're ending the year basically in the same place. ok, if you're not going to listen to our demands, why should we listen to yours? george? yeah, exactly right. because the security demands, they go all the way back to the 1990 s to the days when the wes favorite boy, boris yeltsin was in power in moscow and they continue to raise the issue of nato expansion. and they complain and they complained. and they complain with the, you know, they can basic and why did they, you know, they can face because it was nothing russia could do about it. and what russia can

do, anything the right, you know, well, they may complain about, well, the baltic states are being incorporated into nato. so what are you going to do about it? because russia couldn't do anything about it as a why the, when do you grain issue came up, the west response was exactly the same. what are you going to do about it? and, and then obviously in russia gave the answer. but this is really where it comes to is it later in the west is only for best to talk to russia about the issues that interest the united states. the united states is interested in the issue of strategic nuclear weapons because their russia has built up an edge and the united states is anxious to overcome that edge. so it's willing to talk to russia about that by when he comes to nature, expansion of nato, and surrounding russia by a literal of nato, stayed. i stayed, isn't willing to talk about that because we've got the advantage here. there's

nothing russia can do about it, short of going to walk. so we're going to talk about it. now. in february 24, russia said, well, we are going to do something about it. and, and so then russia change the equation, but as they were plenty of opportunities, i mean all the way through to february, right? we're going to days of december the 24th. when john's, the shoulds and president background made the visits to moscow. and you know, even at that moment they could have been something done to stop this, but they didn't do it is that they just spouted their usual cliches. the thing please say they've been spouting for decades. well, maxime, what, what happened to the concept of indivisibility of security? because that was the mantra of the helsinki process. ok, and i think remember that this term came into circulation like in december and january, people learning about it again. but that is the reality. and the west has forgotten

about that, and that's why we found ourselves in the position where we are now. because the european security architecture was, was designed without russia and against russia. and on february 24th, they said no more. it no longer the case. go ahead, maxine were in the state of the kind of what i would call a prolong wrong ground whole day because the same things that are being discussed now. i have been debated back and we need to thousands when glad i personally go. she's mini speech which triggered many policymakers in the west. but the point of that speech was that the, you can just promote, you know, the color revolution and the time when you print in georgia and your vision of unipolar world without, you know, facing the consequences that are there. and the security constance was in particular, that address wasn't taken seriously, or it was taken, but interpreted its own way. and what was the word in georgia later or you're after

another, you know, kind of a address appealed to the west. happened to when spoken the when general assembly in september 2015, altering the west counterterrorism partnership in the week of the crisis situation on rebel and in serious that wasn't really embraced and rebel as to the russian operation and russian military campaign in syria. and were been in the situation of november last year. there's my college ready discussed aware, you know what very serious issue was raised and put on the table for the discussion and was pretty much was waived off. and, and what we see today is the product of the diplomatic negligence lead. that is such a diplomatic negligence. perfect. write that down on a posted and put it in your wallet because that's exactly what we've experienced or that be another really big trend of this year. is the global south or the global

majority as i like to call it. they stood up and they said no. okay, no to, to, to sanctions, no. fleeing the dollar. i mean the, we finally see this huge paradigm ship. it's so many of talked about over the decades, but now it's actually happening. the global south is going its own way and it's going to decide on its own partners. oh, and by the way, exactly, a they don't like so called western values. go ahead. exactly. exactly. exactly, if you observe in africa thinks of change because they look at, in the, in the russian direction to find an alternative because they're afraid by the d. b t values which are promoted by, by the way. and i would like to add that actually the width is isolated because not only china, not on the india, decided to prioritize the national interest, but such. oh, tam ha, a friend like saudi arabia decided to not officially to support russia,

for instance, to, to take a decision about a decrease in the old prediction with russia, which is a completely destroyed old. they are on to russian economical sanctions. so we're, we are in a new world and actually at the west as under estimated the weight of the new economics. because for russia, it was quite easy to find alternative market, not only for oil and gas, but for forfeited ices, for any sing, a rush i can sell. so again, the, the west us completely under timothy and russia and the determination of the other countries we're tired of following the order of the global, a global west. yeah, georgia, exactly a sense and it's really important here and a and having an alternative to the west. and again, there's a huge literature on this is we're not be inventing it on this program here,

but it's actually, you know, it, it's taking on flesh. now it's actually becoming real because not only do they reject these values, they're not as of as afraid. they're still a little bit, but not as afraid of the west as they've been in the past george. yet, i mean, in some ways we're going back to the model of the cold war in which the soviet union, ah, was the leader all the global resistance to west and had you money. but back then the soviet union just simply wasn't economically powerful enough to challenge the hey, to many of the united states of leasing economics. and they called militarily and, but so now you know, the rest of the world, which basically during that unipolar moment just had to do as they're told now, you know, there, the leader, leader of the resistance. and i think that's where the russians role in the world,

and that's why russia, the economic illness is not as strong as china, but that's why russia is in the cross, has a scar, the west is concerned because, you know, the west seas, russia as the leader of the global resistance, and just infuriate the united states. and i became that much of the work we don't care about, you know, your agenda. and russia actually speaks for us, speaks for our interest and see for our values. and this is something that was determined to stop and i think, you know, but you know, the whole day to install mental russia is really all about that, you know, how to knock russia out from, from its global leadership position. you know, maxine, one of the interesting things again, that western media will, you know, russia's isolated and all that. but i mean, if you go outside of the western media bubble, the world is watching russia take on the entirety of the west and it's still

standing and actually is, has great prospects. it's really a world historic moment here. we're about 45 seconds. go ahead. maxine will hopefully and i think the problem with consideration is not just the self illusion . it's the west by thinking that this is the case precious so hard and you know, shrinks the space one fallacy for the rest of the world. now that are seen in other trends where countries are moving from none, alignment to multi alignment for the better for the worse, but eventually they're trying to diversify their geopolitical economic and other stakes with different actors. russia in particular. and that is also tell us that there's kind of unipolar world where the dictatorship western political institutions is shrinking, but it's going to take time. yeah. and then you know, the west always talks about diversity, but don't like diversity of ideas around the world. that's really quite amazing. here everything is inverted here. 2022. it's is going to be the

a year remembered long into the future and by future historians and i think we just wrote the 1st page as all the time we have on it. thank my guest here in moscow and in budapest, and thanks to our viewers for watching us here. darky. see you next time? remember rostock rolls. ah ah ah ah ah ah

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