international laws at the time it has created, created a gray area for corrupt companies such as june now, which is of u. k r and, and you will also note that the u. k. has an office in somebody, a lender liaison office and somebody and, and, and somebody lent has an office in the u. k as, wow. now in that press statement, the ministry warns of the potential risks to investment, as well as legal ramifications that would be carried out if this illegal exploration of some media continues. and it's cited that they as an institution or the only ones granted to authorized to grant a mineral rights to any of the company. now with somalia recognizing so my land as its own territory and its sovereignty. and we know that many countries around the world are mostly considered a country only when it happens or by the west. we tend to then ask the question that so has the u. k been recognized, so my dear land only to benefit from its oil. oh,

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priscilla sevalla. but yet what they used to live with ah ah ah ah. hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter lavelle? why all accounts 2023 will probably be a continuation of the year. that is just ended more transformation and change more instability and uncertainty on this edition of crosstalk. we examined the likely trends for the year ahead of us. i

cross sucking 2023. i'm joined by my guess, jord samuel, he in budapest, he's a podcast or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals and merrick cash. we have martin j, he's in award winning, journalist, and commentator, and here in moscow we have dmitri bobby, he's a political analyst and editor, and he knows me internet media project. i gentleman cross talk roles and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it, let me go to george 1st in budapest, george, we just ended a very tumultuous year of so many things have changed. there's so many uncertainties ahead of us here. i'm kind of kind of gambling that tad 20. $23.00 is going to be a lot like 2022. your thoughts? i think so to oversee always very dangerous, to extrapolate from the yeah that's just coming to an end of the year. that's coming to be on the other hand, last year we had just had the, the, to draw treaties presented by president put into the united states and

nato. and we knew then that the response of the united states and nato would be nothing doing. we're not interested, and that in response, russia will launch some kind of what they called the military technical operations . and indeed that's what happened. and that it was indeed a transformational moment before the world. i suspect that so this wasn't having the moment we'll continue into the next year and they will continue to be this essential transformation of the geo political scene. the western power decided that this is the way they want to go. they want to go on weakening, debilitating, and bleeding, russia dry, and that's up, all of them are not going to stop from it. they don't care about what happens to your premiums, and they just want to continue down this and why,

and that's it. you know, whether it's a successful or not. it's also a very dangerous because the risk. oh this, what's, what's happening now and your grade into becoming a full fledged shooting war between nato and russia is a real presence. i mean, it's not something we can just get around, and i think that's where we have to look through the 2023 that we're going to get to that night moment moment that we've been avoiding since the end of will to an actual shooting war between nato, and i think that's a good summation you and barton. another thing that i think we can expect in the new year is that with all that, them all to as changes that we saw in 2022. the world is guarding to get used to those changes. ok, rushes a sanction country. i don't think anyone in their right mind things sanctions are going to end anytime soon. and so what that does is it actually creates like

opportunities. you know how, how to move forward. we know what you have left behind and what you can't return to . and i think that that's, i look at that just kind of an opportunity. it's a challenge, but it's also an opportunity martin. you know, i think people run across the western world are going to use to the set up, but they're also getting quite despondent about the repetitive stories that keep coming in the press about massive scale corruption becoming quite despondent to what's going on around the world and i wonder if that will change. i mean, looking at the globe, you know, it's very hard not to pick the cricket cricket with a pin anyway. look, calamity are coming from not only a korean war, but coupled with a lot of global. so countries with climate prices change as well. you know, we've got got calamity all over the place. and i wonder if that really can stay as

you suggest, i think there might be a see change in media. i think that might be whether see change or a cranking of awareness of how futile this war is. and the awareness i think that will happen is that more more people will begin to realize when they read newspapers or not, where they're educated or not. that the ukraine war really isn't much to do with the granite. so it's actually an international war between nature and russia and more increasingly so i would say more with just america and russia is becoming less of a western when you look at the military spending a military aid which is declining quite rapidly in cash kit. you know, it seems to be america show from beginning to end. and so, you know, the spotlight really will be on by to in 2023 to justify continuous, continuously sending, just signed off. 40 percent. those of 8 military age. those ministry, 2020000000000 got policy congress. i didn't think it would it did. i wonder if 2023

will be a continuation of that when republicans take the the house? well unfortunately, martin, i don't put much stock into the end of the republican party in the united states, but you got to point, okay, there is still resistance or damage, you know, kind of a continuation of my question to martin. i mean, we have, we had all last year from march to the present, you know, sanctions and depilatory ratings, sanctions according to the west. but not that is not the case here. and one of the things i find interesting living here is how people of adapted and, and actually start, are looking forward and not looking to backward course travel is not as easy. it used to be apple pay that will be russian version of that will be introduced in the spring. but russia is really quite good at adapting. but the news we get from europe is they're not so good at adapting dema. what indeed, it was a, you know,

many surprises, and i can go to these as the russian people, lots of, and it's going to do in the recent interview. it's sad that when actually stop in february, me and my colleagues, we expect the army to do well. and we expected they call me to do much worse than they did. and in fact, the opposite of the patient had them. the war was not sure. what's rush is still going to win? the bob? certainly not in the way it was black. you know, the plan will just use a small expeditionary force and remove that quickly. and painlessly as possible. that didn't happen. however, there was a pleasant surprise for after all the other side, the country crept up to be very easy. it was sanctioned. i mean, you live in law school, you live in russia and you see that the new year is not very different from the

last year. the same restaurants are working, the same shops are open, people are feeling, the top is addressed all the probably even more money to spend now because they travel left europe, more people travel internally, southern iraq, she became a connection very, very pleasant, very interesting places to be that it's not just more st. petersburg by call. it is all died. it does not walk us lot so nice places. so in fact, we want the wrong and we got the read on one side and we'd love it much better than expected. on the other side. yeah, that's to, you know, church, i mean to self sufficiency. i think that is the, the new calling card as we move forward for, for russia, and for all of the countries that are victims of western had gemini, you know, also georgia is what's really interesting kind of a continuation of what's been said here already. is that um,

the ability to adapt. i mean, i think now in retrospect, russia was fully prepared for years that this was going to happen is you and i have said so many times is that, that the russians will cave they'll, they'll be angry, but they'll, you know, they'll cave and, and nature will expand and in the west will get its way, but that's not the case anymore. we saw that in 2022. i think we'll see that in 2023 and being able to adapt to adversity. well the, the west is full of big words and so called values, but they're not very good at adapting george. no, they're not a good at adapting. and really we look back in retrospect and think what uh, where the g 7 and the e u. in the united states thinking that's how we will impose the mother of all sanctions and we will bring the russian economy to their knees. i mean, you know, they've actually started believing their own propaganda, which is very dangerous of russia is nothing more than a gas station with nuclear weapons. i mean, russian is the biggest energy,

but you sort of world is the biggest, good grain producer in the world based fertilizer producer in the world. you know, person, precious metals, producer in the world. i mean, russia produces things that people want to buy. that's very difficult to bring such an economy to his knees. and of course they didn't bring russia to its knees. and it is indeed the europeans, not so much america, the europeans, was offering the consequences because the europeans consumers of energy and food and the rest. and they go to what about it in the united states is happy to see europe in economies. collab beam is absolutely right, but the, the reversal of what we've been expecting with the, the russian military would achieve a quick victory. whereas the economy might be dodgy. you know, 11, those many, whether war has continued the 2014,

the outcome would have been the opposite. russia, my dad achieved a quick military victory and knocked out the post my regime. and then the security and stability of a soul even have the konami hardships that russia would have suffered then might well have been different. but we, we didn't, we don't know. but nonetheless the, it's a serious issue. the rush. i haven't been able to wrap this up a little early as it could and should have done a year ago. and we're going to martin last 40 seconds before we go to the break. while european leads learn anything from 2020 to martin is that they are learning anything at all they're just in the hills. and because they believed that there isn't game. and they believe that this campaign that they have will, as i think jude put it will, it will drain the russian ministry. but that's not happening. and, you know,

the year itself is just slowly becoming much increasingly ineffective and relevant, irrelevant as days passed with corruption scandals. many, many countries now around the world. now looking to russia and to bridge partners is different geopolitical part. and so i think come, you know, where they lead to europe and learning a tool, but they will have to start looking at the polar side. we're going to discuss that . when we come back from our break, gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the year to come. 2023. ah told me is the aggression to day, i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. rusher is the country with

the most sanctions imposed against it. and number this constantly growing figure which of liberalism was to course renewed as we speak on the billing is pretty much the mind. the we're, we're sure we're banding all imports of russian oil and gas. new g i suffering. i mean, i know they plenty of holes with lower temperature through shreds than it is for the little, you know, we're pretty good regarding joe, by imposing these sanctions on russia. you has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang self. ah, well connect across stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. to remind you we're discussing the upcoming year 2023. ah. okay. i wanted to touch back with martin. you said something at the very end before

we went to the break that i'm fine. i find fascinating. the europeans have in their mind, i suppose collectively in and game. what do you mean by that? because their pre game, they screwed up pretty badly. i mean, is it going to be any different there and game. go ahead, martin. sorry, go ahead. yeah, they think the end game will finally be the who reaches out and says, look, let's talk, i want to stop this morning. what evidence? i know that's what they want, but what evidence is there that russia would even entertain that thought for a nano 2nd? i mean, you know, when you, when you have these kind of things, you need to have leverage. where's the leverage, keep going. leverage. there's no leverage, there's no evidence, it's just, it's just the echo chamber. you know, when you cut away all the news outlets, the don't chime with your narrative. when you signed this journalist, when you actually just kept, keep on thing on the drum. just listening to your own narrative and believing only

in what comes from your own mouth from your political parties. that's the problem is, you know, there's nobody standing up and questioning any of this. ringback but lou, 2023 is going to be a deal breaker. that is the last year before europe. the you embrace is it's rally into the elections in the following year. and 2023 importantly has at least 17 countries in africa, which are going to be quite a bit of unrest rioting. and everybody will looking to, to europe. and you just say, what's going on, all you guys really doing anything here. you know, you talk about your big plan, you're bold, you know, foreign policy and billions that your waste in brussels, but we don't see any action from you. a tool and a panic is going to start to stay in from a you leaders. so they're gonna, they're gonna lose the you because when the people get the pose finally, the next year, the worry is low voter turnout. and that is going to start already in 2023. and i think in africa because i'm in africa. i think you're going to see more and more

countries becoming known aligned. this is going to be the next. i want to talk a little bit more about the global stuff that person want to go to d ma here. d ma the, you know, so as a russian citizen, you know, russia was very much demonized in 2022 and by a well oiled propaganda machine, no descent is allowed if you disagree than yours, somebody's puppet and you know, i mean, but demon, the love affair that rushes had with, with the west, particularly europe for the last 300 years that come to an end. or is it just on a pause? well, i will suggest the list of you know, take some time and listen to that recent statements. wrong ration for me, just a lower, often from president. and we're all basically said a few days ago that you know, we're not going to be duped again with

a leadership that's now that you pass with the leadership the united states. because right now it's very difficult to do business. they don't observe that they don't observe. laws don't abide by the international law they, they talk about the rules based on the rules are the ones that buy them. they're not based on their, their lease, determine where washington determined by brussels. so russia has no news about the current leadership on the west, but i wouldn't say that the all along with europe can here for just 300. yes, rush it easy. you were you whether we wanted to know whether they will die to states, wanted to know whether that bureaucratic brussels want to rush it either european country with european culture and with european history. so i'm sure that when this terrible ideology, which unfortunately cold over the states and europe being union,

when they say defeated and it will be defeated, it was, it is not. thank you think it is already losing. they come, it is really military. you know, the combined forces of the class in your grade are unable to defeat russia and both sides are still using last late. so we have laid out that the west is not all very well. so in the end, in the end, when this ideology defeated went to return to normal relations with the rest of europe. and we'll do well. ok, well, demo the written the ideology, neoliberalism, the bearing to it's not going to end anytime soon. it is going to create a global disaster before it leaves the scene. ok, let's georgia let's, let's talk a little bit about the global south or the global majority as i like to call it mean what we saw in 2022. and i think we're going to see in the new year is the, there are all, there are alternatives out there there. and the non western world,

russia, china, iran, all with great civilizations, great cultures and traditions and all that. and that's what the west really hates. they really hate that, that, that there is an alternative out there. they talk the talk of diversity where they want no diversity whatsoever. you must go, you must abide by their ideology or you'll be cancelled as they're trying to cancel everything related to russia. george? yeah, there is in the now alternatives available bricks and then you more and more countries want to join the breaks the shanghai cooperation organization. there are new international institution, new alternatives to the i, m. f world bank, a global order that was created in the aftermath of world war 2 and the chinese and are developing a kind of a world development bank gate alternative to the well that, you know, the global south is indeed looking and saying, you know,

we don't have to play the west game. we don't have to sit and listen to the lectures. so this is this economic all done over the alternative. all the values, the values that the currently espoused by the united states in the west, you know, with mold in the world culture, the l g, b, t, q, i class culture, it's alien too much of a well, i mean, this isn't just simply, oh, well, you know the, i was in iran, there they live there on them. we're true. there is the rest of the world that just doesn't understand why the west is espousing notions of how humans should live, that humans have never lived by in millennia. and so even, you know, on rushes embracing, this is kind of the leader a reaction against the will the western world culture just as

a it's the leader of reaction against neo liberal economic model. yeah, a martin is joe biden, celebrated a gathering of african leaders from what i understand there. there wasn't even a one to face to face one meeting with any of those leaders. i may be wrong, but i understand here. and the whole issue was ukraine in africa was like what the chinese were here. they're building bridges in roads, in schools and hospitals. ok. i mean, this is just arrogance that comes from the west to mean it is i've said many times is that know that the west is no longer feared. ok, we have the d dollarization going on trading and local currencies, different financial institutions as a whole literature i out there called the world beyond the west. it's very, very real and it's taking on meaning and i think 2023 is this good. it would celebrate that martin africa leaders, you know,

they watched the biden stunt and i'm going to start with the, with the, with the jewels wide open. you know, absolutely incredible. i don't look, look at us, going to start now. look at 2023. we'll break records in afghanistan. it will make us remember the t v footage from cnn in 1980, as of how kind of standard women of the cassette player, the streams of cassette tape being, being strewn across the street from the central couple. you know, kinda sounds going, but the middle ages because of us foreign policy just failing completely on a wholesale level and those african leaders you talked about. they watched that they witnessed that. they said when we fic tricia and all this is this what happens to us when we don't tag along with us a gemini, you know, and you know, i mentioned 17 election to know what very carefully because of us are in africa and the next couple of months beginning is warbling, and it looks like it's going to fool and no longer become a french satellite state anymore, just as money did

a couple of months ago. if pikeno 1st fools, that will be a precedent that will be france losing all of its influence in africa, which means losing all of its edge. there will be no more western story or crime speaking africa and countries like morocco, lamb for example, will play more of a role of being a big brother and creating and structure and banking on services and things like that. so this is what will we have to look forward to? is it i think my money is on the tipping point, being in africa, it will start in africa in 2023 and other countries around the world. watch that and say, well, if africa can do that, if ever can turn to china for investment, the business perhaps turn to russia for security and to countries like morocco or turkey for other things. you know, then, why can't we, you know, dmitri, last year? well, joseph burrell talked about europe is being the garden and the rest of the world,

being the jungle, i think in 2023. the world is going to see that they, there are many gardens out there, and it's not in europe de mer. you are, it is no, be no single global a the, as a lot of people expect that the mind give already with that power. i want to be at least 3 globalization there is going to be in bond globalization around the united states and european union. and some of their allies in america, in africa, was in kind of those failures. but there will be another global is the around russia, china, with many countries from africa joined with many companies from wedge and american, georgia. and there will be a 3rd, a 3rd group, i think it will be copies which are somewhat jittery about being too reliant on china. so they will have globalization also. so the role that reminds me a little,

the cold war times when there was the west, the story of more and the normal line. and the experience shows that this is not bad. actually when you have one single system in the world, when you have the government, when, how want price to be come? the government, usually these people suddenly become extremely stupid and the racial polio on wave . he has pension and book a. would you mind? no. russian sanctions now, like hitler wanted to build huge dominant by around the world. we're going to compete in globalization. and what's going on in your brain. i think it's not between russia and the state. and of course, it's not between russia and in between that the, for us all the west still trying to, to maintain they are he gemini and then you were horses which are not support in

russia. there are many countries, in fact we support one out of time, but i can think of a better way to end this program. thank you very much. i want to thank my guess in budapest, marrakech, and in moscow. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time. remember, cross the room. ah ah ah, with the discovery of the new world, at the end of the 15th century, there appeared atlantic slave trade. the slave traders from european countries started building forth on the western coast of the african continent to transport the african inhabitants to america,

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