and ah, ah, i mentioned urgency and welcome back to going underground tens of millions face deck this winter because they don't have enough to eat nato nation media blames russia for making the year on. yes. gov ation. in the global south. worse, while massive corporations and western oligarchs promote the use of money making technology to solve the most basic problems facing humanity. interconnected with climate change, i'll guess to day is a world renowned environmentalist attack in nature, nations, the new yorker, colder demagogue. but who has risked her life to educate the world about the malign power of late capitalism. she is the author of his 20 books, including

a latest terah viva. my life in a bio diversity of movements and a journey from atomic scientists to feel as fight of natural seeds is chronicled in the new film, the seeds of under the shiva. ah, food is a weapon. when you sell real weapons to control on when you control food, you control society. but when you control seat, you control it life. industrial farming is the single biggest destructive force on the planet to day. the war against the earth begins in the minds of men and i mean men ah gondola shiva is one of the most prominent activists in the world. so my cell

a, dan, ah, he's a warriors to the bcr, consistent that destroys finding. it was one of the pioneers. he started the camp of the movement. owning intellectual property right on the seat is a gym. and you can watch the seeds of under the shiva now and run the the she, the movie dot com. but now the legendary veteran of w 2 seattle, $999.00 and countless paddle since dr. under the shiva joins me from darren in india. thank you so much. rather for coming back on the show, before i even get to the amazing documentary, i really think everyone should watch it to understand more about you rather than just a talking at different conferences. it gives a different type of perspective. i have to really begin because this here is the 38th anniversary of the bo paula, that disaster build is one of the largest,

or maybe the largest industrial disaster in history. why do you think it's so emblematic of all your fights and struggles and work on a, on how capitalism manifests itself in its war on the poor willow benin move on disaster which is being goal by abi genocide brings together the fact that development in the 3rd world is the introduction of toxics and poisons they should be imposed. stay in the seventy's from union carbide carbide as a hand in india's future. glory, a beaker of red liquid over a farm. applying his feed and it literally became the, you know, the face of ha houses died because a pesticide plant leak and to let die the these to see the idea that there are other alternatives to pesticides is totally pause. name

a beautiful tree with bush and gold as on that act, which is what it scientific name is under it that day because i started on the day of the hope on disaster. no mumble bonds. less than to me because we have said golden rule with century then 10 years later, the name is patented and pirating. and 11 years i thought that case against the u. s. government and w r. s. ready a company jointly held a patch and done pesticide properties of me, so we'll call superstitious. we were called ignorant, and our knowledge was taken and go by was totally avoidable if the non violent part of agriculture, that was our part for thousands of years, had not been interrupted by the green revolution. i. toxics and chemicals engine used in the name of development. we want to get on to all those themes to an extent, but it was, as you know, union carbide. as was in a day,

there was an outer court settlement. i know that 600000 are affected, some campaign is say that 120000 continue to suffer to this day may be 50. no one really knows how many died, but they, they were very clear. i know it's been taken over by dow chemical. the 1984 gas, the bobo was a terrible tragedy which understandably continues to evoke strong emotions even 20 years later. but in the wake of the gas release union carbide corporation and then chairman warren anderson worked diligently to provide aid to the victims and set up a process. all the claims arising out of the release was settled years ago at the express of direction and approval of the supreme court of india. why do you keep going on about it? if it's still so important, i suppose warren anderson ran away and there's enough for a cause about his escaping from india. second, that settlement brought about a $100.00 to each person,

which was nothing. to cover the cost. definitely nothing to cover the la supply. you talked about union carbide having the more my dow, but douses then has furnished with dupont and you pond and now have a beautiful name today called taber. so you'll never recognize it connected to union carbide. new research is showing how union carbide, which pretends to have existed, india actually heaps existing to shell companies. so the amazing investigative journalist following up the whole pile case and sadly every year, 2nd and 3rd of december in ohio, they are march is against the continued crime against mobile and the continued injustice. there was no justice delivered by her by till date, but we invite the chief executive court ever i any representative from these are newly changed named companies with relationships to the bobo disaster,

which they deny. and of course, they deny any connection. it's the past they might, they might say. but what about? well, a geopolitical realignment because i did mentioned the indian supreme court. and i know that appears in the film in a very emotional moment in the film or as regards you personally. but on the supreme court level, they agreed to the settlement back then about bobo could things change again? could india not to act so much as a vassal state to washington, which was wrong, suspected when it came to that settlement and start to exert some kind of sovereign power against us multi nationals given realignments between china and russia and all the rest of it. the, what's been going on this year? yes, no, even of the time when the supreme court is truly it was on the basis of

a totally patriarchal claim by the state. they represented all the victims as barrens battery, that they were the baron and they could represent all the victims. the victim said, you are not apparently allowed people to die and those cases so them to continue. so i do hope that a new jurisprudence of courage of compassion will emerge once again, because after all, it is the land of danny in the land of non violence and compassion. and we should use every level of justice to bring compassion to the full. but is there any change? can there be a change given the supreme court made that judgement years ago? it's already done isn't. oh, well i'm, you know, the, all of these new situations which trigger, for example, i, you know, i'm, i'm, be cashed, enders were made illegal. that is trade 16. today the supreme court is here in that case, and asking the government show us the reason why you didn't give us the proof that

there was reason behind it. so, you know, it takes one judge of conscience. it takes one new trigger that connects another tragedy to profile. and of course, these cases can come back. well, as i said, all subsequent companies deny all liability and relating what you 1st said to me in this interview. the soils of india may have been destroyed by a union carbide back then. but according to you, the soils are being destroyed every single day across the global south. how exactly do you tie up? this incredible network of un agencies will be going to make for the i, m, f, e, u, multinational corporations. all these different interconnected elements are somehow connected to that. so such a basic thing on life, on a, the soil like, you know, i was my head was all in quantum theory, atomic physics. that's what i was standing. and it was until 1980 for the year of

the hopa disaster, but also the year of the punjab disaster. when and thousands of people died in new violence that i was compelled to work to the united nations university to study what was the green revolution. where did it begin? why are we using chemicals? why are we destroying the saw? so i did the book violence of the green revolution for the united nations university, and i found that all angry chemicals of today, the ancestors are the chemicals of it closed germany. i g carbon and the american partners, you know, while the was being fought between the nancy and the allies, the companies were working together to use fossil fuel and finance to make chemical standard oil. rockefeller broad, the finance of the fossil pills, germany brought the chemical expertise and that expertise evolved into the agri, chemical industry, which i call the boys and cortez because the names change so frequently it's

impossible to keep up with their names. but one thing that has stayed through out from the thirty's to now is the manufacture poison. and they claim that it is necessary to grow food. why are the souls across the world i? because the process of making nitrogen fertilizers through burning fossil fuels at high temperature to fix atmospheric nitrogen is the same process that made explosives. when you apply ammonium nitrate to the soil urea to the saw it all living organism, the soil di sewing is living is fungi. it's bacteria, it's earth well is, was created the fertility and create life in the soil. this toxic substance starts to kill life and so, so increase deserts on the one hand, but it's so inefficient on the 10 percent is used by plants. 90 percent runs office pollution of water of dead zones in the ocean. but even more seriously,

during the climate discussions, the silence on nitrous oxide hides the issue of not should put slices in contribution to the climate disaster. one kilogram of nitrogen fertilizer uses 2 meters of diesel. it emits carbon dioxide plus nitrous oxide, which is $300.00 times more damaging to the climate than carbon dioxide and the atomic change that makes it worse and the side those the vicious cycle of the certification of this. interestingly, my research a bad time showed that the same crop, cultivated chemically uses 10 times more water than the crop cultivated organically . so land is not the scarce element on the, on the planet. water is walter, is what is drying up and job has been absolutely decimated. anyway, industrial agriculture is there, lakes are disappearing, drivers are disappearing. so all the multiple prices that we face today. the green

revolution, industrial, agriculture, based on fossil fuels and fossil fuel chemicals is at the root of it. don't give us you are, i'll stop you there. more from the world renowned environmental stuff to this break . ah

ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with anti globalization pioneer doctor on the machine. of course journalists will cover what happened in bon job is merely ethnic strife and ethic conflict a point very well made in the field. obviously the rockefellers were foundation which say, yeah, that was long ago. the nazi links to these companies historically, whether it be that or ford, for instance, not only are these link, sir ignorable that we should ignore them, that these are the companies sponsoring all the climate conferences. they us once during the green revolution there, sponsoring everything. and in fact, when it comes to what you said about fertilizer, of course the, the greatest her, a philanthropy capitalist, her bill gates, the founder of pentagon contract, microsoft, he said in stark contrast to what you're saying. i have never been shy about my

passion for fertilizer. it's a magical innovation that's responsible for saving millions of lives from hunger and lifting millions more at poverty by boosting agricultural productivity are not saying he has something to do with the silence or nitrous oxide i. he has a lot to do with the science and matches because in his book, dealing with atlantic a tester piece, you standing in front of a book. yeah. fertilizer. patty st. i love lisa, and i'm happy then i look as someone who can be made happy at my uria and fossil fertilizer obviously doesn't know the life of this saw it. he doesn't know how farmer's cultivate living saw him to grow more food. the more for tips, soil fertility, the more your food production and the more the nutrients in their food. so the silence on the personalizes is quite clearly driven by on the one hand, the fertilizer industry itself. and during this period where the crisis is

happening, the fertilizer prices a chart up, but his 4 or 5 companies that make money. those companies then is the billionaire funds, the asset management pass, the backdrops, the man dads, and mr. gates directly. as, as a partner profiler, the, you know, the alliance for the green revolution in africa was a joint alliance of rockefeller and, and mr. gates. so it isn't that these historic links on the past. second, in my books or on the air ancestry of genetic reductionism, you know, it was rockefeller which financed all the research on eugenics on finding the molecules of determinism in life. and that is what shape the reduction is biology that then gave us reductionist genetic engineering. they haven't got out of this issue a most important point just before the glasgow comp summit. rockefeller

with new york stock exchange. i now said they will now go creating, i sit natural asset companies that they would now own nature as a financial asset. this is going on in the cost of climate is going on in the comp, a blind in the city is going on in every food and food security clock. we are witnessing the financial ation of nature and through the financial aid station, a new extracted business, which creates mankey my same, the really economy, the rivers are dying, the soil is dying. the climate is the stabilize. now we will bet on wall street and the kind of collapse we created in 2008 will be nothing. we will now manufacture a fall housing, trillion dollar economy, which we will control in a big issue. so they haven't stopped the game. they're continuing, it's just that the speed jane,

the jane. but the logic of the tenant canyon control over line is what guides every aspect of rock fella gates and the billionaire club. will you being saying that they have a malign influence? of course, there is an entire class, an entirely class involving the lines for the green revolution. and so many others who disagree. i have to say that given there are these elite, so obviously they can afford organic in western countries, organic food, or it's certainly labeled organic crude. how to get away from the fertilizer pesticides. the very richest can. how does or how does it affect us inside us if we don't eat organic food? because there's one mention of it in the film very briefly. what, what is the micro biome, and what are all these different companies? will these agencies, what it, what are they? what do they mean for actually what's going on inside us?

they obviously deny any wrongdoing and saying all that they're doing is basically part of a green revolution which started decades ago and fed 1000000000 people that would otherwise have starved to death when a digital so effective. they wouldn't be a 1000000000 people hungry today. and the earlier hunger was sporadic, it was lean, for example, to the british colonialism, extracting super. so last is 45 trillion from india and in the process creating 100 pound. and this is all on records, the new hunger structure. and his plan, including the fact that humbled the hungry of the world, are agriculture producers who cannot eat the food they grow because the great commodities at high cost that lots of marie so they're just silly. everything they grew just to be back yesterday is that the issue of how this is full strap of how we are made to think of food begins with

treating agriculture as an external input system just to put leftover will chemicals in it is treated as production separate from a totally separate from i and then i have is purely the big problem using on diseases when you manufacture. so take the fact that buyer, which now has bought with the central, says like the seat. yes, cancer and w h o has said black was he is a carcinogen, that's bad. that is bad on europe. now, after many call cases up for periods, this is really bandy fully, this still debating it and then the other man they hadn't band fully. but the same company then brings you a patch to cancer drug. that's a fight bias had in india to try and strike down are laws that prevent this kind of monopoly. but what size is showing and what people knew, you know,

hypocrite is hold full. did i mention i to me that i'm not sure about the food is that medicine? food is i, medicine now, new science and new research showing us that the biodiversity of the so i my for bio which treats the plans that fido chemicals and richness, then feeds our gut micro mile, which is a 100 trillion fellow beans within us. only 10 percent of us. the remaining partial pass is the gun micro mile. and the gun micro biome is so sensitive. all of those microbes, new, new, and different food. so we have to each diversity. they have sensors that can test the dock 6. they can test uniformity, which is another issue, this new faithful based on g m, also put as mill good as bread may and everything. but by the time that molecule hits, i got it's an attack and we get allergies. we had all kinds of that problems. so

the got to micro, mom is a forest with us, we must tenderly take care of it and we can only take care of it when taking care of the forest outside in the san and in our house again. and again in the film. as you progress in your journey to where you are now, you question things and connections into connections. but why do you think that the doctors are routinely in nature countries treating ever more allergies? so they say, oh aunt questioning these links necessarily you actually, the mo, dispensable doctors, the more informed doctors are actually making these links. i know what g 3 cancel specialist who came in on the clinics in cities and started organic honey. to say, i wouldn't treat my patients my growing good food and nurturing that, that to my for bye. and of course, most of the people in the, in,

i don't call in the health sector because they're not providing health if they were providing all the thinking of food. they are basically part of the industrial medical complex. they're just running the tent, melina, the medical representatives come, they allocate these drugs and it's a machine to sell medicines and drugs, little fella machines. what's wrong for them to bring them to you should. he also did to our body and basically try to criminalize every system of healthcare that has existed for ever. india's idly, there is more than 5000 years old, and every attempt is made to ravish it, but to which they would say to which they would say, life expectancy is increased after the green revolution. the fact that counts as a more prevalent is merely because people are living longer and that allergies are somehow diseases of affluence, you know, you know what's written about in the press. i know in the film you talk about lobbied journalism to an extent what what, how don't when you had a case of punjab,

it's so clear when job they were the healthiest people really hard working to deepen job is a pocket of suicide because of debt and kansas because of pesticides is a cancer train that leave spent job and it's not because okay, my life and maintenance is higher than it was under the british. no, no, it's not that bigger on paper. young children are going in this cancer training. children are getting cancer is not just the old people, i'm it in us. why do i take up the film shows that many steps and we had took on a challenge and addressed it to things create outreach in me. unnecessary harm to the earth, an unnecessary violence to human beings. baba was a rog, wireless to people's been job was about violence to people and boilers for the earth. and they, i asked the question, why do we do it this way? why the science and i going to the structures and then of course i can't live with the violence and an analysis of it. i must find the non violent path. so my journey

has just been a deeper and deeper and deeper journey and non violence. the pain deep, which i need to protect by the misty and every step i was looking for the poison cartel and different things. but they merge behind every disaster. they can much, so the connections of the violence we face in the world of violence against climate man skins by diversities, species extinction. you know, of course, insects will disappear if insecticides unleashed to kill the insects by the most plans will disappear if you unleash glad will said meant to pill everything green as one center used to say in the convention meetings, kill everything green. green is the solution to life on earth. chemical designed to just kill the green. is already he gazebo? i know the film shows how your sister change your life. and albert einstein changed,

changed your life? i said, said private capitalists inevitably control the main sources of information. it's almost impossible for individual citizens to, to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of political rights. do you think that it may be very different from country to country, from continent to continent that the information law war is being lost? that the amount of lobby journalism i was surprised to hear that you, i suppose maybe maybe your fans would not be surprised to hear that you were under personal attack. i know in the, in the film it shows your life was threatened anyway, but you're under personal attack from magazines like the new yorker or whatever ab . do you think what you are saying can be transmitted in media publications, in massively profitable markets in western europe, in the united states? well, you know, for me, what matters is that it's transmitted. and, you know, i can say this much just yesterday. ready a young child from newsline release,

the book, and when she was asked, what inspired you to this book? and she says, brandon achievers, writings on the green revolution path. here are young people all over the place. they didn't get it from social media. they actually read books and they did research, so there's a thinking group of concerned group of citizens who are very awake. and i looking every way they can to find the answers to the multiple crisis. because then you've got the heavy machinery and it's so repetitive, you know, i can even predict what will be said. because of the film we are discussing is premier was in germany, and now buyers in germany who should see all these they unleashed to attack an attack and attack. so they don't come down. and for me, you know, for i'm did science because science means to know the truth to say to, you know, to know it's knowledge. that's my passion. knowledge is my passion. and just

because 5 men page with money that michael specters and the math classes, right? trashy pieces, you know, i'm going to give up my passion for seeking answers on how to protect life. and i will continue that thought of under the shiva. thank you. and that's it for the show. remember, you can watch the seeds of on the machine. now. valesh even movie dot com will be back next week with another brand new episode. but until then you can still keep in touch by all our social media. if it's not sensitive in your country, we can always head to the channels going on the grantee on rumbled com to watch new and old episodes going under grants. he writes, ah ah ah

ah ah ah, who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing additional strong sanctions. today russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing a list. of course, it's becoming the most in mind that we're, we're, we're banding all in ports of russian oil and gas, new g i. g.

with regard to joe, by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. with the pentagon has announced a new multi $1000000000.00 military aid package for cab, claiming it's the largest military deliveries since the ukranian conflict began. ukraine shells a number of western russian cities on orthodox christmas injury, multiple civilian that despite multiple calling for a truth on the christian festival. and ukraine has exported almost 17000000 tons of grain intended for those most affected by food and security. in africa, reports show that europe has received the majority of those deliveries.