ah, with ah, i mention retents in welcome back to going underground tens of millions face death this winter because they don't have enough to eat. nato nation media blames russia for making the year on yest, av ation. in the global south. worse, while massive corporations and western oligarchs promote the use of money making technology to solve the most basic problems facing humanity into connected with climate change. i'll guess today is a world renowned environmentalist attack in nato nations. the new yorker called her

a demagogue, but who has risked her life to educate the world about the malign power of late capitalism. she's the author of 20 books, including her latest tara viva. my life in a bio diversity of movements and a journey from atomic scientists to feel as fight of a natural seeds is chronicled in the new film, the seeds of under the shiva. ah, food is a weapon. when you sell real weapons to control on when you control food, you control society. but when you control seat, you control life. industrial farming is the single biggest destructive force on the planet to day. the war against the earth begins in the minds of men. and i mean men

vandalay, she was one of the most prominent activists in the world with the warriors to the patriarch, insistent that destroys funding. it was one of the pioneers. he started the girl proceed movement only intellectual property. right. and seat is a gym. and you can watch the seeds of under the shiva now and run the the she, the movie dot com, but now the legendary veteran of w to seattle 999 and countless paddle since dr. under the shiva joins me from darren in india. thank you. so much rhonda for coming back on the show before i even get to the amazing documentary, i really think everyone should watch it to understand more about you rather than just talking at different conferences. it gives a different type of perspective. i have to really begin because this here is the

38th anniversary of the bo paula. that disaster build is one of the largest job, maybe the largest industrial disaster in history. why do you think it's so emblematic of all your fights and struggles and work on a, on how capitalism manifest itself in its war on the poor? well, you know, move on disaster, which is being goal i abi genocide breeze together. the fact that development in the 3rd world is the introduction of toxics and boys, as they should be imposed. stay in the seventy's from my union carbide carbide as a hand in india's future. boring a beaker of a red liquid over a farm. applying his feed and it literally became the, you know, the face of go by thousands die because a pesticide plant leaked. and till that time we,

they used to say the idea that there are other alternatives to best the site is totally pause. name a beautiful tree is bushings gold. as out that act, which is what it scientific name is, i'm the director pick up. and i started on the day of the papa disaster. no mumble bonds. let's plan to need because we have said thornton is with centuries. then 10 years later, the name is patented, and pirated and 11 nan, as i thought that case against the u. s. government and w. r racer company that jointly held a patent on pesticide properties of me. so we will call superstitious. we were called ignorant, and our knowledge was taken, and bo bye was totally avoidable if the nonviolent part of agriculture, that was our part for thousands of years, had not been interrupted by the green revolution by toxics and chemicals introduced

in the name of development. we want to get on to all those that seems to an extent, but it was as you know, union carbide as was in a veil. there was an outer court settlement. i know that 600000 are affected. some campaign is say that ab 120000 continue to suffer to this day may be 50. no one really knows how many died. but they, they were very clear. i know it's been taken over by dow chemical. the 1984 gas the can bobo was a terrible tragedy which understandably continues to evoke strong emotions even 20 years later. but in the wake of the gasoline union carbide corporation and then chairman warren anderson worked diligently to provide aid to the victims and set up a process. all the claims arising out of the release was settled years ago at the expressive direction and approval of the supreme court of india. why do you keep going on about it? if, if it's still so important, i suppose lauren anderson ran away and there's enough for

a cause about his escaping from india. second, that settlement brought about a $100.00 to each person which has nothing to cover the cost. definitely nothing to cover the la la supply. you talked about union. gov, i having the more my dow but douses than has furnished with dupont and you pond and now have a beautiful name to day caught tables. so you never recognize and connect them to union carbide. new research is showing how union carbide, which pretends to have existed, india actually heaps existing to shell companies. so the amazing investigative journalist following up them hope al, case, and sadly and ria 2nd and 3rd of december immobile, they are marches against the continued crime against mobile and the continued injustice. there was no justice delivered by her by till date,

but we invite the chief executive, cortez, or i any representative from these are newly changed named companies with relationships to the bobo disaster, which they deny. and of course, they deny any connection in the past. they might, they might say, but what about where the geopolitical realignment? because i did mentioned the indian supreme court and i know that appears in the film. i know in a very emotional moment in the film or as regards you personally, but on the supreme court level, they agreed to the settlement back then about bobo could things change again? could india, nor her act so much as a vassal state to washington, which was wrong suspected when it came to that settlement, and start to exert some kind of sovereign power against us multi nationals given realignments between china and russia and all the rest of it. the, what's been going on this year?

yes, you know, even of the time when the supreme court is truly it was on the basis of a totally patriarchal claim by the state. they represented all the victims as parents that she had, that they were the parent and they could represent all the victims. the victim said, you are not a parent, you allowed people to die and those cases, so them to continue. so i do hope that a new jurisprudence of courage of compassion will emerge once again, because after all, it is the land of dandy and put down the land of non violence and compassion. and we should use every level of justice to bring compassion to the full. but is there any change? can there be a change given the supreme court made that judgement years ago? it's already done isn't. oh, well i'm do, you know, the, all of these new situations which trigger, for example, i, you know, i'm, i'll be cashed and as were made illegal,

that is trade 16 to day. the supreme court is here in that case, and asking the government show us the reason why you didn't give us the proof that there was reason behind it. so, you know, it takes one judge of conscience. it takes one new trigger that connects another tragedy to profile. and of course, these cases can come back. well, as i said, all subsequent companies deny all liability and relate to what you 1st said 3 are in this interview. the soils of india may have been destroyed by a union carbide back then. but according to you, the soils are being destroyed every single day across the global south. how exactly do you tie up? this incredible network of you and agencies will be going to make for the i, m, f, e, you multinational corporations, all these different interconnected elements are somehow connected to that. so such a basic thing on life, on a, the soil like, you know,

i was my head was all in quantum theory, atomic physics. that's what i was standing. and it was until 1980 for the year of the hopa disaster. but also the year of the punjab disaster. when pounds of people died in new violence that i was compelled to work for the united nations university to study what was the green revolution? where did it begin? why are we using chemicals? why are we destroying the saw it? so i did the book violence of the green revolution for the united nations university. and a, i found that all angry chemicals of today, their ancestors are the chemicals of hitler's germany. i g carbon and the american partners. you know, while the was living fought between the nancy and the allies, the companies were working together to use fossil fuel and finance to make chemical standard oil. rockefeller, broad, the finance of the fossil pills, germany brought the chemical expertise and that expertise evolved into the agri,

chemical industry, which i call the poison cartel because the names change so frequently it's impossible to keep up with their names. but one thing that has stayed to out from the thirty's to now is the manufacture poison. and they claim that it is necessary to grow food. why are the saws across the world shine? because the process of making nitrogen fertilizers through burning fossil fuels at high temperature to fix atmospheric nitrogen is the same process that made explosives. when you apply ammonium nitrate to the soil urea to the saw it all living organise was a soil dac saw is living is fungi. it's bacteria, it's earth. well is what creates the facility and create life in the soil. this toxic substance starts to kill life and the saw it so increased deserts on the one

hand. but it's so inefficient. only 10 percent is used by plans. 90 percent runs off as pollution of water, of dense zones in the ocean. but even more seriously, during the climate discussions, the silence on nitrous oxide hides the issue of not should put laces in contribution to the climate disaster. one kilogram of nitrogen fertilizer uses 2 meters of diesel. it emits carbon dioxide plus nitrous of say, which is $300.00 times more damaging to the planet than carbon dioxide. and they have climate change that makes it worse and the side, those the vicious cycle of the certification of this. interestingly, my research at that time showed that the same crop has to be did, chemically use is 10 times more water than the crop cultivated or panicky. so land is not the scarce element on the, on the planet. water is water is wet, is drying up and job has been absolutely decimated. and the red ray industrial

agriculture is they, lakes are disappearing, drivers are disappearing. so all the multiple cases that we face today, the green revolution, industrial, agriculture based on fossil fuels and fossil fuel chemicals, is that the router fit doc of other machines are i'll stop you there. more from the world renowned environmental. it's up to this break. ah, ah ah

ah ah ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the globalization pioneer doctor on the machine. of course journalists will cover what happened in been job as merely ethnic strife and ethic conflict a point very well made in the field. obviously, the rockefellers were foundation would say, yeah, that was long ago. the nazi links to these companies historically,

whether it be that or ford, for instance, not only are these links are insurable that we should ignore them. these are the company is sponsoring all the climate conferences. they are sponsoring the green revolution, their sponsoring everything. and in fact, when it comes to what you said about fertilizer, of course, the, the greatest or philanthropy capitalist or bill gates, the founder of pentagon contractor, microsoft, he said in stark contrast to what you're saying, i have never been shy about my passion for fertilizer. it's a magical innovation that's responsible for saving millions of lives from hunger and lifting millions more to poverty by boosting agricultural productivity, you're not saying he has something to do with the silence or nitrous oxide i. he has a lot to do with the science, a mattress because in his book, dealing with planet catastrophe, you standing in front of a book, fertilize a fatty saying i love lisa. and i'm happy and then i look as someone

who can be me happy in my area. and fossil fertilizer obviously doesn't know the life is so he doesn't know how farmer's cultivate living. so i have to grow more food the more for it. so i've patillo g, the more your food production, and the more than your chance food. so the signs on the personalizes is quite clearly driven by on the one hand, the fertilizer industry itself. and during this period where the crisis is happening in fertilizer prices, a chart up, but is a 4 or 5 companies that make money. those companies then is the billionaire funds, the asset management class, the backdrops, amanda, and mr. gates directly as, as boss now, through seller the, you know, the alliance for the green revolution in africa was a joint alliance of rockefeller and, and mr. gates. so it isn't that these historic links are the past, 2nd,

in my books or on the air ancestry of genetic reductionism. you know, it was rockefeller, mitch, financial, all the research on eugenics on finding the molecules of determinism, in life. and that is what shape the reductionist biology that then gave us reductionist genetic engineering. they haven't got out of this issue a most important point. just before the glass woke up summit, rockefeller with new york stock exchange. i now said they will now go creating i sit natural asset companies that they would now own nature as a financial asset. this is going on in the cost of climate is going on in the comp, a blind in the city is going on in every food and food security clock. we are

witnessing the financial ation of nature and through the financial aid station, a new extracted, which treats mankey my same, the really economy, the rivers, i dine, the soil is dying. the climate is the stabilize. now we will bet on wall street and the kind of collapse we created in 2008 will be nothing. we will now manufacture a $4000.00 trillion dollar economy, which we will control in a big issue. so they haven't stopped the game. they're continuing it just that the speed jane, the jane. what the logic of the tenant canyon control over lie is what guides every aspect of rock fella. gates and the bill in a clap. will you being saying that they have a malign influence? of course, there is an entire class, an entirely class involving the lines for the green revolution. and so many others who disagree. i have to say that given there are these elite, so obviously they can afford organic in western countries, organic food,

or it's certainly labeled organic crude. how to get away from the fertilizer pesticides. the very richest cam. how does or how does it affect us inside us? if we don't eat organic food because there's one mention of it in the film very briefly. what, what is the micro biome, and what are all these different companies? will these agencies, what it, what are they? what do they mean for actually what's going on inside us? they obviously deny any wrong doing and saying all that they are doing is basically part of our green revolution which started decades ago in fred 1000000000. people that would otherwise have stuff to death when he see so, so effective, there wouldn't be a 1000000000 people hungry to day. and the earlier hunger was sporadic. it was ling, for example, to the british colonialism. extracting super so pluses, 45 trillion from india. and in the process like creating hunger and banning,

and this is all on recalls the new hunger structure and is permanent, including the fact that handled the hungry of the world are agriculture producers who cannot eat the food they grow because the green commodities at high cost. ready lots of bowery, so they're just selling everything they grew just to pay back. yesterday's debt. the issue of how this this full scrap of how we are made to think of food begins with treating agriculture as an external input system just to put left on will chemicals in it is treated as production separate from our abs? totally separate from i and then our health is purely the big pharma using on diseases when you manufacture. so take the fact that buyer, which now has bought what the central says like will said yes, cancer and

w h o has said black was he is a carcinogen. bestbuy, that is, man, i'm europe. now, after many court cases, for a few periods is not really banded fully. they still debating it in the european adamant they haven't banded fully. but the same company then brings you our patented cancer drug. that's a fight by as had in india to try and strike down our laws that prevent this kind of monopoly. but what size is showing and what people you, you know, he put his whole food is on medicine. i don't either. i'm not sure about the food as i medicine food is my medicine. now, new science and your research is showing us that the biodiversity of the so in my, for bio which treats the plans that vital chemicals and richness, then feeds our gut micro mile, which is a 100 trillion fellow beans within us, you know, only 10 percent of us,

the remaining barge of glass is the got my for my own. and the gut micro biome is so sensitive. all of those microbes, new and different food. so we have to each diversity. they have sensors that can test the toxics, they can test uniformity, which is another issue, this new faith based on g, m, a soil, which is mil, who does bread may into everything. but by the time that molecule hits, i got it's an attack and we get allergies. we had all kinds of that problems so that that micro mind is a forest with us. we must tenderly take care of it. and we can only take care of it by taking care of the forest outside in the sun and in our house again. and again in the film. as you were progress in your journey to where you are now, you question a things and connections into connections. but why do you think that the doctors are routinely in nature countries treating at evermore allergies?

so they say, oh aunt questioning these links necessarily you actually them all responsible doctors. the more informed doctors are actually making these links i, ne, 3 cancer specialists who came in on the clinics in cities and started organic honey . to say, i'm going to treat my patients by growing good food and nurturing the got to my for bye. and of course most of the people in the, in, i don't call in the health sector because they're not providing health. if they have a provider, you know, they be thinking of food, they are basically part of the industrial medical complex. they're just running the tent. melina, with the medical representatives come, they allocate these drugs and it's a machine to sell medicines and drugs, little fella, machine. what's wrong for them to bring them to you should he also did to our body and basically tried to criminalize every system of healthcare that has existed for

emma india's id. that is more than 5000 years old. and every attempt is made to rubbish it. but to which they would say to which they would say, life expectancy is increased out of the green revolution. the fact that counts as a more prevalent is merely because people are living longer and that allergies are somehow diseases of affluence, you know, you know what's written about in the press. i know in the film you talk about lobbied journalism to an extent what, what, how don't when you had a case of one job, it's so clear. when job they were the healthiest people. really hard working to deepen job is a pocket of suicide because of debt and kansas because of pesticides, is a cancer train that you spend job and it's not because ok my life and it is higher than it was under the british. no, no, it's not. that's a bigger on paper, young children are going in this cancer training children are getting cancer. it's

not just the old people. i mean in us, why do i take up the film shows that many steps. and we had took on a challenge and addressed it to things create outreach and me unnecessary harm to the earth. an unnecessary violence to human beings baba was over mileage to people when job was about violence to people and boilers for the earth. and they, i asked the question, why do we do it this way? why the science and i going to the structures? and then of course i can live with a violence and an analysis of it. i must find the non violent path. so my journey has just been a deeper and deeper and deeper journey and non violence. the pain deep edge, i need to protect bag honesty and every step i was looking for the poison cartel and different things. but they merge behind every disaster. they get much. so the connections of the violence res, face in the world, violence against climate man skins by diversities, species extinction. you know,

of course, in 6 will disappear if insecticides are unleashed to kill the insects. by them as your plans will disappear, if you unleash glad will save meant to kill everything green as one center used to say in the convention meetings go everything green. green is the solution to life on earth. tamika designed to just kill the green, is already eco cycle. i know the film shows how your sister change your life. and her, albert einstein changed, changed your life. i said, said private capitalists inevitably control the main sources of information. it's almost impossible for individual citizens to, to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of political rights. do you think that it may be very different from country to country, from continent to continent that the information law war is being lost? that the amount of lobby journalism i was surprised to hear that you, i suppose maybe maybe your fans would not be surprised to hear that you were under

personal attack. i know in the, in the film it shows your life was threatened anyway, but you're under personal attack from magazines like to new york or whatever ab. do you think what you are saying can be transmitted in media publications, in massively profitable markets in western europe, in the united states? well, you know, for me, what matters is that it's transmitted. and if i can say this much, just yesterday, a young child from newsline released the book. and when she was asked what inspired you to this book? and she says when a she was writings on the green revolution, papa, here are young people all over the place. they didn't get from social media, actually read books and they did research. so there's a thinking group of concerned group of citizens who are very awake and i looking everywhere where they can to find the answers to the multiple crisis. because then

you've got the heavy machinery and it's so repetitive, you know, i can even predict what will be said. because of the film we are discussing is premier was in germany, and now buyers in germany who should see all these they unleashed to attack an attack and attack. so they don't come down. and for me, you know what i did signs because science means to know the truth, to say to, you know, to know it's knowledge. that's my passion. knowledge is my passion. and just because by men page big money that michael specters and the math lionesses, right trashy pieces, you know, i'm going to give up my passion for seeking answers on how to protect life. and i will continue that took of a little shiva. thank you. and that's it for the show. remember, you can watch the seeds of on the machine now and relevant. even movie dot com will be back next week with another brand new episode. but until then you can still keep in touch. are all our social media, if it's not sensitive in your country,

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