destructive force on the planet to day. the war against the earth begins in the minds of men. and i mean, ah, vandalay. tuba is one of the most prominent activists in the world with florida, dana. ah, she's a warriors to the bcr, consistent that destroys finding. it was one of the pioneers he started the camp of seaman that owning intellectual property. right. and seat is a but think attempt and see did you and you can watch the seeds of under the shiva now and run the the she, the movie dot com. but now the legendary veteran of w. 2. seattle, $999.00 and countless paddle since dr. under the shiva, joins me from darren in india. thank you so much. rather for coming back on the show before i even get to the amazing documentary,

i really think everyone should watch it to understand more about you rather than just a joke. he had different conferences gives a different type of perspective. and i have to really begin because this here is the 38 that of earth. 3 of the bo paula, that disaster build is one of the largest job may be the largest industrial disaster in history. why do you think it's so emblematic of all your fights and struggles and work on a, on how capitalism manifests itself in its war on the poor? well, you know, the blue one disaster which is being gold i r b o, genocide brings together the fact that development in the 3rd world is the introduction of toxics and poisons they should be imposed. stay in the seventy's from my union carbide carbide as a hand in india's future. boring

a b cup of red liquid over a farm, applying his feed. and it literally became the, you know, the face of go by thousands die because a pesticide plant leaked. and till that time we, they used to say the idea that there are other alternatives to pesticides is totally pause. name a beautiful freebies versions called as out that act, which is what it scientific name is. i'm the director because i, i started on the day of the papa disaster. no mumble bonds, less plan to need because we have said thornton is with century. then 10 years later, the name is patented and pirate 2 and 11, nearly as i thought that case against the u. s. government and w. r racer company jointly held a patch and on pesticide properties of me. so we will call superstitious. we were called ignorant, and our knowledge was taken,

and bhopal was totally avoidable if the nonviolent part of agriculture that was our part with thousands of years, had not been interrupted by the green revolution by toxics and chemicals introduced in the name of development. we want to get on to all those or themes to an extent, but it was as you know, union carbide or as was in a veil, there was an outer court settlement. i know that 600000 are affected. some campaign is say that 120000 continued to suffer to this day may be 50. no one really knows how many died, but they, they were very clear. i know it's been taken over by dow chemical. the 1984 gas the can bobo was a terrible tragedy which understandably continues to evoke strong emotions even 20 years later. but in the wake of the gasoline union carbide corporation and then chairman warren anderson worked diligently to provide aid to the victims and set up a process. all the claims arising out of the release was settled years ago at the

expressive direction and approval of the supreme good of india. why do you keep going on about it? if, if it's still so important, i suppose warren anderson ran away, and if enough rick was about his escaping from india. second, that settlement brought about a $100.00 to each person, nothing to cover the cost. definitely nothing to cover the la supply. you talked about union car by having the more my dow, but douses then has furnished with dupont and you pond and now have a beautiful name to day caught, taber so you'll never recognize and connect them to union carbide. new research is showing how union carbide makes, pretends to have existed, india actually heaps existing to shell companies. so the amazing investigative journalist following of them hope al case, and sadly, every year,

2nd and 3rd of december in go by. they are marches against the continued crime against robin and the continued injustice. there was no justice delivered by her by till date, but we invite the chief executive of cortez her i any representative from these are newly changed named companies with relationships to the bobo disaster, which they deny. and of course, they deny many connection. it's the past they might, they might say. but what about, well, a geopolitical realignment because i did mention the indian supreme court. and i know that appears in the film in a very emotional moment in the film as regards you personally. but on the supreme court level, they agreed to the settlement back then about bobo could things change again? could india, not her act so much as a vassal state to washington, which was wrong, suspected when it came to that settlement and start to exert some kind of sovereign

power against us multi nationals given realignments between china and russia and all the rest of it. the, what's been going on this year? yes, you know, even of the time when the supreme court, it is truly it is on the basis of a totally patriarchal claim by the state. they represent it all the victims, as barons patchy that they were the baron and they could represent all the victims . the victim said, you are not your parents, you allowed our people to die and those cases, some of them still continue. so i do hope that a new jurisprudence of courage of compassion will emerge once again, because after all, it is the land of dandy and put down the land of non violence and compassion. and we should use every level of justice to bring compassion to the full. but is there any change? can there be a change given the supreme court made that judgement years ago?

it's already done isn't. oh, well i'm, you know, they all of these new situations which trigger, for example, i, you know, i'm, i'm be cashed and as were made illegal, that is trade 16 to day. the supreme court is here in that case, and asking the government show us the reason why you didn't give us the proof that there was reason behind it. so, you know, it takes one judge of conscience. it takes one new trigger that connects another tragedy to pogo. and of course, these cases can come back. well, as i said, all subsequent companies deny all liability and relate to what you 1st said to me or in this interview. the soils of india may have been destroyed by a union carbide back then. but according to you, the soils are being destroyed every single day across the global south. how exactly do you tie up this incredible network of un agencies the world you

know, make for the i'm f, e, u, multinational corporations. all these different interconnected elements are somehow connected to that. so such a basic thing on life, on a, the soil like, you know, i was my head was all in quantum theory, atomic physics. that's what i was standing. and it was until 1980 for the year of the hopa disaster, but also the year of the punjab disaster. when them pounds of people died in new violence that i was compelled to work for the united nations university to study what was the green revolution? where did it became? why are we using chemicals? why are we destroying the saw it? so i did the book violence of the green revolution for the united nations university. and a, i found that all angry chemicals of today, the ancestors are the chemicals of it tells germany i g carbon and the american partners, you know, while the was they being fought between the nancy and the allies,

the companies were working together to use fossil fuel and finance to make chemical stand it oil. rockefeller brought the finance and the fossil pills. germany brought the chemical expertise and that expertise to bog into the aggregate mclean street, which i call the boys in cortez because their names change. so frequently it's impossible to keep up with their names. but one thing that has stayed throughout from the thirty's to now is they manufacture poison. and they claim that it is necessary to go food. why are the saws across the world i? because the process of making nitrogen fertilizers through burning fossil fuels at high temperature to fix atmospheric nitrogen is the same process that made explosives. when you apply ammonium nitrate to the soil urea to the saw it all living organisms, a soil dac saw is living. it's fungi, it's bacteria,

it's earth. well is what create the facility and create life in the soil. this toxic substance starts to kill life in the saw it. so increase deserts on the one hand, but it's so inefficient. only 10 percent is used by plants. 90 percent runs off as pollution of water, of dense zones in the ocean. but even more seriously, during the climate discussions, the silence on nitrous oxide height, the issue of not should put laces in contribution to the climate disaster. one kilogram of nitrogen fertilizer uses 2 meters of diesel. it emits carbon dioxide plus nitrous oxide, which is $300.00 times more damaging to the planet than carbon dioxide. and they have climate change that makes it worse and the cycles, the vicious cycle of the certification of this. interestingly, my research a bad time. sure that the same crop, cultivated chemically uses 10 times more water than the crop cultivated organically

. so land is not the scarce element on the, on the planet. water is, water is what is drying up. and john has been absolutely decimated. and the red ray industrial agriculture is there, lakes are disappearing, drivers are disappearing. so all the multiple prices that we face today, the green revolution, industrial, agriculture based on fossil fuels and fossil fuel chemicals, is that the router fit doc of other cheever, i'll stop you there. more from the world renowned environmental. it's up to this break long when i was just seemed wrong. i just don't want you to see power disdain because the kid and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds

apart, we choose to look for common ground. what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms. race is often very dramatic development. i am going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very care to kill time. time to sit down and talk ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the globalization pioneer, dr. under shiva. of course, journalists will cover what happened in been job as merely ethnic strife and ethic conflict a point very well made in the film. obviously, the rockefellers were foundation would say, yeah, that was long ago. the nazi links to these companies historically,

whether it be that or ford, for instance, not only are these link, sir insurable that we should ignore them, that these are the companies sponsoring all the climate conferences. they are sponsoring the green revolution, their sponsoring everything. and in fact, when it comes to what you said about fertilizer, of course, the, the greatest or a philanthropic capitalist. her bill gates, the founder of pentagon contractor, microsoft, he said in stark contrast to what you're saying, i have never been shy about my passion for fertilizer. it's a magical innovation that's responsible for saving millions of lives from hunger and lifting millions more to poverty. by boosting agricultural productivity, you're not saying he has something to do with the silence or nitrous oxide i. he has a lot to do with the science of nitrous oxide because in his book, dealing with planet catastrophe, you standing in front of a book? yeah. fertilize a fatty saying i love, but lisa,

and i'm happy and then i look as someone who can be me happy in my urea and fossil fertilizer obviously doesn't know the of his size. he doesn't know how farmer's cultivate living soil to grow more food. the more for it, so a priscilla g, the more your food production and the more the nutrients in food. so the science on the personalizes is quite clearly driven by on the one hand, the fertilizer industry itself. and during this period where the crisis is happening in fertilizer prices had shot up, but his 4 or 5 companies that make money. those companies then is the billionaire funds, the asset management class, the backdrops, the vanguard, and mr. gates directly. as, as a partner profiler, the, you know, the alliance for the green revolution in africa was a joint alliance of rockefeller and, and mr. gates. so it isn't that these historic links on the past. second,

in my books or on the air ancestry of genetic reductionism. you know, it was rockefeller bitch, financial, all the research on eugenics on finding the molecules of determinism in life. and that is what shape the reductionist biology that then gave us reductionist genetic engineering. they haven't got out of this issue a most important point. just before the glass woke up summit rockefeller with new york stock exchange. i now said they will now go creating i sit natural asset companies that they would now own nature as a financial asset. this is going on in the cost of climate is going on in the comp and in the city is going on in every food and food security clock. we are witnessing the financial ation of nature and through the financial aid station,

a new extracted design, which creates managing my same the really economy. the members are dying, the soil is dying. the climate is the stabilize. now we will bet on wall street and the kind of collapse we created in 2008 will be nothing. we will now manufacture a fall housing, trillion dollar economy, which we will control in a big business week. so they haven't stopped the game. they're continuing it just that the speed jane, the jane. but the logic of the tenant canyon control over line is what guides every aspect of her up fella, gates and the bill in a club. will you being saying that they have a malign influence? of course, there is an entire class, an entirely class involving the lines for the green revolution. and so many others who disagree. i have to say that given there are these elite, so obviously they can afford organic in western countries, organic food,

or it's certainly labeled organic crude. how to get away from the fertilizer pesticides. the very richest can. how does or how does it affect us inside us if we don't eat organic food? because there's one mention of it in the film very briefly. what, what is the micro biome, and what are all these different companies? will these agencies, what it, what are they? what do they mean for actually what's going on inside us? they obviously deny any wrong doing and saying all that they are doing is basically part of a green revolution which started decades ago and fed 1000000000 people that would otherwise have stuff to death. well, if it was so effective they wouldn't be a 1000000000 people hungry today. and the earlier honda was sporadic, it was lean, for example, to the british colonialism, extracting super sunglasses, 45 trillion from india and in the process of creating honda invalid. and this is

all on recalls the new on the structure and his plan, including the fact that half of the hungry of the world are agriculture producers who cannot eat the food they grow because they're great commodities at high cost that lots of worry. so they're just selling everything they grew just to be back yesterday. is that the issue of how this is forced trap of how we are made to think of food begins with treating agriculture as an external input system just to put leftover chemicals in it is treated as production separate from a totally separate from matter and then a health is purely the big pharma using on diseases when you manufacture. so take the fact that buyer, which now has bought from central, says like a said yes,

cancer and w h o has said black was he is a cache image that's bad, that is banned in europe. now, after many call cases for periods, this is really bandy fully this still debating it and that you can either, man, they haven't banded fully. but the same company then brings you apache to cancer drug. that's a fight bias had in india to try and strike down are laws that prevent this kind of monopoly, but what size is showing and what people knew, you know, hypocrite is whole food did i mention i to me that i'm not sure about the food is that medicine, food is i, medicine now, new science and new research showing us that the biodiversity of the so i my for bio which feeds the plans that fido chemicals and richness, then feeds our gut micro mile, which is a 100 trillion fellow beings within us. you know, only 10 percent of us. the remaining barge of glass is the gut micro my own. and

the gut micro biome is so sensitive. all of those microbes, new, new, and different food. so we have to eat diversity. they have sensors that can test the dock 6, they can test uniformity, which is another issue, this new faith based on g, m o. soil put as mill, good as bread may and everything. but by the time that molecule hits, i got it's an attack. and we get allergies, we had all kinds of that problems. so the got to micro, mom is a forest with us. we must tenderly take care of it. and we can only take care of it by taking care of the forest outside in the sun and enough tops again and again in the film as you progress in your journey to where you are now, you question a things and connections into connections. but why do you think that the doctors are routinely in nature countries treating ever more allergies?

so they say, oh, aunt questioning these links necessarily you actually them all the sponsible doctors, the more informed doctors are actually making these things. i know what he's 3 cancer specialists who given up the clinics in cities and started organic, funny to say i would treat my patients my growing good food and nurturing that got to my for bye. and of course, most of the people in the, in, i don't call in the health sector because they're not providing health. if they have a provider, you know, they be thinking of food. they are basically part of the industrial medical complex . they're just running the 10000000 up with the medical representatives come, they allocate these drugs and it's a machine to sell medicines and drugs, the rockefeller machine, what's wrong for them to bring them to you should he also did to our body and basically tried to criminalize every system of healthcare that has existed for ever

india's iowa is more than 5000 years old. and every attempt is made to ravish him, but to which they would say to which they would say, life expectancy is increased after the green revolution. the fact that counts as a more prevalent is merely because people are living longer and that allergies are somehow diseases of affluence, you know, you know what's written about in the press. and i know in the film you talk about lobbied journalism to an extent what, what, how don't when you're on a case, a fine job. it's so clear when job the, what the hell, the us people really hard working to deepen job is a pocket of suicide because of debt and kansas because of pesticides is a cancer train that you spend job. and it's not because ok, my life and maintenance is higher than it was under the british. no, no, it's not. that's a bigger on paper. young children are going in this cancer training children are getting cancer. it's not just the old people. i mean in us. why do i take of the

film shows that many steps and we had took on a challenge and addressed it to things create outreach and me unnecessary harm to the earth. an unnecessary violence to human beings. baba was a rog, wireless to people when job was about violence to people and boilers from the earth . and they, i asked the question, why do we do it this way? why the science and i going to the structures? and then of course, i can't live with a violence and an analysis of it, i must find the non violent path. so my journey has just been a deeper and deeper and deeper journey and non violence, the pain, deeper journey to protect bag honesty and every step i was looking for the poison cartel and different things. but they merge behind every disaster. they get much. so the connections of the violence res, face in the world, violence against climate man skins by diversity species extinction. you know,

of course in 6 will disappear if insecticides unleashed to. ringback insects by them as your plans will disappear, if you unleash glad will said meant to pill everything green as one center used to say in the convention meetings, kill everything green. green is the solution to life on earth. chemical designed to just kill the green is already equal single. i know the film shows how your sister change your life. and her, albert einstein changed, changed your life. i said, said private capitalists inevitably control the main sources of information. it's almost impossible for individual citizens to, to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of political rights. do you think that it may be very different from country to country, from continent to continent that the information law war is being lost? that the amount of lobby journalism i was surprised to hear that you, i suppose maybe maybe your fans would not be surprised to hear that you were under

personal attack. i know in the, in the film it shows your life was threatened anyway, but you're under personal attack from magazines like the new yorker or whatever ab . do you think what you were saying can be transmitted in media publications, in massively profitable markets in western europe, in the united states? well, you know, for me, what matters is that it's transmitted. and you know, i can say this much just yesterday a young child from newsline released the book. and when she was asked what inspired you to this book? and she says, brandon achievers, writings on the green evolution papa. here are young people all over the place. they didn't get it from social media, actually read books and they did research. so there's a thinking group of concerned group of citizens who are very awake. and i looking everywhere where they can to find the answers to the multiple crisis. because then

you've got the heavy machinery and it's so repetitive, you know, i can even predict what will be said. because of the film we are discussing is premier was in germany, and now buyers in germany should see all these they unleashed to attack an attack. and attacked so they don't come down. and for me, you know, so i did science. the science means to know the truth, to say to, you know, to know it's knowledge. that's my passion. knowledge is my passion. and just because by men based with money that michael specters and the minuses, right? trashy pieces, you know, i'm going to give up my passion, seeking answers on how to protect life. and i will continue that took of a little shiva. thank you. and that's it for the show. remember, you can watch the seeds of on the machine now and run the machine movie dot com. we'll be back next week with another brand new episode. but until then you can still keep in touch by all our social media. if it's not sensitive in your country,

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