and i mean, ah, vandalay chiva is one of the most prominent activist in the world with florida. dana. ah, she's the warriors to the beaches, insisting that destroys finding. it was one of the pioneers. he started the gun, proceed, movement. owning intellectual property right on the seat is a pending attempt and see did you and you can watch the seeds of under the shiva now and vanilla shiva movie dot com. but now the legendary veteran of w to seattle $999.00 and countless paddle since dr. under the shiva joins me from darren in india. thank you so much. rather for coming back on the show, before i even get to the amazing documentary, i really think everyone should watch it to understand more about you rather than just talking at different conferences gives

a different type of perspective. i have to really begin because this here is the 38th anniversary of the bo paula, that disaster build is one of the largest, maybe the largest industrial disaster in history. why do you think it's so emblematic of all your fights and struggles and work on a, on how capitalism manifest itself in its war on the poor? well, you know, move on disaster because be goal i abi genocide brings together the fact that development in the 3rd world is the introduction of toxics and boys as they should be imposed. stay in the seventy's from my union carbide carbide as a hand in india's future. boring, a beaker of a red liquid over a farm, applying his feed. and it literally became the, you know,

the face of dopa houses died because a pesticide plant leaked. and till that time we, they used to say the idea that there are other alternatives to pesticides is totally pause. name a beautiful freebies bushings called as an that act which is what it scientific name is. i'm the director and the cup. ah, i started on the day of the papa disaster. no mumble bonds, less plan to need because we have said thornton is with centuries. then 10 years later, the name is patented, and pirated and 11 years, i thought that case against the u. s. government and w. r racer company the jointly held a patent on pesticides. properties of me. so we will call superstitious. we were called ignorant and our knowledge was taken. and bobo was totally avoidable if the non violent part of agriculture that was our part with thousands of years, had not been interrupted by the green revolution by toxics and chemicals introduced

in the name of development. we want to get on to all those themes to an extent, but of course, as you know, union carbide or as was in a day there was an out of court settlement. i know that 600000 are affected. some campaign is say that 120000 continued to suffer to this day may be 50. no one really knows how many died, but they, they were very clear. i know it's been taken over by dow chemical. the 1984 ghastly bobo was a terrible tragedy which understandably continues to evoke strong emotions even 20 years later. but in the wake of the gas release union carbide corporation and then chairman warren anderson work diligently to provide aid to the victims and set up a process. all the claims arising out of the release were settled years ago at the expressive direction and approval of the supreme court of india. why do you keep going on about it? if, if it's still so important, i suppose warren anderson ran away, and if enough,

rick was about his escaping from india. second, that settlement brought about a $100.00 to each person, which was nothing. to cover the cost difference enough to cover the la supply. you talked about union carbide having the more my dow, but douses then has furnished with dupont and you pond and now have a beautiful name to day cor, teva so you never recognize and connect them to union carbide. new research is showing how union carbide, which pretends to have existed, india actually heaps existing to shell companies. so the amazing investigative journalist following up the whole pile case and sadly every year, 2nd and 3rd of december in ohio, they are march is against the continued crime against mobile. ready the continued

injustice there was no justice delivered by her by till date. but we invite the chief executive of court aver i any representative from these are newly changed named companies with relationships to the bobo disaster, which they deny. and of course they deny any connection in the past they might, they might say. but what about? well, a geopolitical realignment because i did mentioned the indian supreme court. and i know that appears in the film. i know in a very emotional moment in the film as regards you personally, but on the supreme court level, they agreed to the settlement back then about bobo. could things change again? could india not to act so much as a vassal state to washington, which was wrong, suspected when it came to that settlement and start to exert some kind of sovereign power against us multi nationals given realignments between china and russia and all the rest of it. the, what's been going on this year?

yes, you know, even of the time when the supreme court is truly it was on the basis of a totally patriarchal claim by the state. they represented all the victims as barons battery, that they were the baron. and they could represent all the victims, the victim said, you are not a parent, you allowed people to die. and those cases, some of them to continue. so i do hope that a new jurisprudence of courage of compassion will emerge once again. because after all, it is the land of dante in the land of non violence and compassion. and we should use every level of justice to bring compassion to the full. but is there any change? can there be a change given the supreme court made that judgement years ago? it's already done isn't oh, well, i'm do you know, the, all of these new situations which trigger, for example, i, you know,

i'll be cashed and as we're made illegal, that is tre. 16 to name the supreme court is here in that case, and asking the government show us the reason why you didn't give us the proof that there was reason behind it. so, you know, it takes one judge of conscience. it takes one new trigger that connects another tragedy to profile. and of course, these cases can come back. well, as i said, all subsequent companies deny all liability and relating what you 1st said to me in this interview. the soils of india may have been destroyed by a union carbide back then. but according to you, the soils are being destroyed every single day across the global south. how exactly do you tie up this incredible network of un agencies the world you know, make for the i, m, f, e, you multinational corporations, all these different interconnected elements are somehow connected to that. so such

a basic thing on life, on a, the soil let you know, i was my head was all in quantum theory, atomic physics. that's what i was standing. and it was until 1980 for the year of the hopa disaster, but also the year of the punjab disaster. when them pounds of people died in new violence that i was compelled to work to the united nations university to study what was the green revolution? where did it begin? why are we using chemicals? why are we destroying the saw it? so i did the book violence of the green revolution for the united nations university. and a, i found that all angry chemicals of today, the ancestors are the chemicals of hitler's germany. i g carbon and the american partners. you know, while the was being fought between the nancy's and the allies, the companies were working together to use fossil fuel and finance to make chemical stand it oil. rockefeller brought the finance and the fossil pills. germany brought

the chemical expertise and that expertise to bog into the agra chemical industry, which i call the boys in cartel because their names changed so frequently. it's impossible to keep up with their names. but one thing that has stayed throughout from the thirty's to now is the manufacture poison. and they claim that it is necessary to grow food. why are the saws across the world line? because the process of making nitrogen fertilizers through blending fossil fuels at high temperature to fix atmospheric nitrogen is the same process that made explosives. when you apply ammonium nitrate to the soil urea to the saw it all living organisms of soil that sign is living. it's fungi, it's bacteria, it's earth. well is what create the fertility and create life in the soil. this toxic substance starts to kill life in the saw it. so increase deserts on the one

hand, but it's so inefficient on the 10 percent is used by plants. 90 percent runs off as pollution of water of dead zones in the ocean, but even more seriously during the climate discussions. the silence on nitrous oxide hides the issue of not should push lasers in contribution to the climate disaster. one kilogram of nitrogen fertilizer uses 2 meters of diesel. it emits carbon dioxide plus nitrous oxide, which is $300.00 times more damaging to the planet than carbon dioxide. and they have climate change that makes it worse and the side, those, the vicious cycle of desertification, of dis, interestingly, my research a bad time showed that the same crop. how do you eat it? chemically uses 10 times more water than the crop cultivated organically. so land is not the scarce element on the, on the planet. water is, water is wet,

is drying up and john has been absolutely decimated. and the red ray industrial agriculture is there, lakes are disappearing, drivers are disappearing. so all the multiple cases that we face today, the green revolution, industrial, agriculture based on fossil fuels and fossil fuel chemicals, is that the router fit, dr. mother? she ver, i'll stop you there. more from the world renowned environmental shop to this break . ah ah ah november 22nd 2020 to outraged orthodox christians confronted ukrainian security service offices, locking entrances and exits. the key is the oldest monastery. and we're looking for

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doctor on the shiva. of course, journalists will cover what happened in bon job is merely ethnic strife and ethic conflict a point very well made in the film. obviously, the rockefellers were foundation would say, yeah, that was long ago. the nazi links to these companies, historically, whether it be that or ford, for instance, not only are these links are insurable that we should ignore them. these are the companies sponsoring all the climate conferences. they are sponsoring the green revolution, their sponsoring everything. and in fact, when it comes to what you said about fertilizer, of course, the, the greatest or philanthropy capitalist or bill gates, the founder of pentagon contract or microsoft. he said in stark contrast to what you're saying, i have never been shy about my passion for fertilizer. it's a magical innovation that's responsible for saving millions of lives from hunger and lifting millions more to poverty by boosting agricultural productivity. you're

not saying he has something to do with the silence or nitrous oxide i. he has a lot to do with the science of nitrous oxide because in his book, dealing with planning catastrophe, you standing in front of a book, fertilizer, patty saying i love, but eliza and i'm happy. then i look as someone who can be me happy in my area and fossil fertilizer obviously doesn't know the life of he doesn't know how farmers go to the living side to grow more food, the more for it. so a paternity, the more your food production, and the more than you, since you know, food. so the signs on the personalizes is quite clearly driven by on the one hand, the fertilizer industry itself. and during this period where the crisis is happening, fertilizer prices a chart up, but his foreign fine companies that make money. those companies then is the

billionaire funds, the asset management pass, the backdrops, the man dads and mr. gates directly as a spot now for of sale that you know, the alliance for the green revolution in africa was a joint alliance of rockefeller and, and mr. gates. so it isn't that these historic links on the past, 2nd, in my books on the air ancestry of genetic reductionism, you know, it was rockefeller which financed all the research on eugenics on finding the molecules of determinism, in life. and that is what shape the reductionist biology that then gave us reductionist genetic engineering. they haven't got out of this issue a most important point, just before the glasgow cock summit, rockefeller with new york stock exchange. i now said they will now go creating i sit natural asset companies that they would now own nature as

a financial asset. this is going on in the cost of climate is going on in the comp, a blind in the city is going on in every food and food security clock. we are witnessing the financial ation of nature and through the financial aid station, a new extracted design, which creates mankey my same, the really economy, the rumors that i'm the saw it is dying. the climate is the stabilize. now we will bet on wall street and the kind of collapse we created in 2008 will be nothing. we will now manufacture a $4000.00 trillion dollar economy, which we will control in a big issue. so they haven't stopped the game. they're continuing, it's just that the speed jane, the jane, but the logic of to 10 in control of a line is what guides every aspect of rock fella. gates and the bill in

a club. will you being saying that they have a malign influence? of course, there is an entire class, an entirely class involving the lines for the green revolution. and so many others who disagree. i have to say that given there are these elite, so obviously they can afford organic in western countries, organic food, or it's certainly labeled organic food. how to get away from the fertilizer pesticides. the very richest cam. how does or how does it affect us inside us? if we don't eat organic food, because there's one mention of it in the film very briefly. what, what is the micro biome, and what are all these different companies? will these agencies, what it, what are they? what do they mean for actually what's going on inside us? they obviously deny any wrongdoing and saying all that they're doing is basically part of our green revolution which started decades ago and fed 1000000000 people that would otherwise have stuff to death when a digital so effective,

there wouldn't be a 1000000000 people hungry today. and the earlier honda was sporadic, it was lean for example to the british colonialism, extracting super. so last is 45 trillion from india and in the process you creating honda and balances on recalls the new honda structure and is permanent including the fact that half of the hungry of the world are agriculture producers who cannot eat the food they grow because the green commodities at high cost, lots of norway. so they're just silly. everything they grew just to be back yesterday is that the issue of how this is full strap of how we are made to think of food begins with treating agriculture as an external input system. just to put left on will chemicals in it is

treated as production separate from our abs? totally separate from i. and then i have is purely the big pharma using on diseases when you manufacture. so take the fact that buyer, which now has bought what the central says like will said yes, cancer and w h o has said black was he is a carcinogen, that's bad. that is man of europe. now, after many court cases for young periods, this is really banded fully. this still debating it and that you could either, man, they haven't band fully. but the same company then brings you apache to cancer drug . that's a fight bias hat in india to try and strike down are laws that prevent this kind of monopoly, but what size is showing and what people knew, you know, he put his whole food is i mention i to me that i'm not sure about the food as i medicine food, as i mentioned now,

new science and your research is showing us that the biodiversity of the so in my, for bio which treats the plans that vital chemicals and richness, then feeds our gut to micro mile, which is a 100 trillion fellow beans within us, you know, only 10 percent of us. the remaining part of us is the gut micro biome. and the gut micro biome is so sensitive. all of those microbes, new, new, and different food. so we have to each diversity. they have sensors that can test the toxics, they can test uniformity, which is another issue. this new faith based on g. m will soil, which as mill, with as bread may and everything. but by the time that molecule hits, i got it's an attack and we get allergies. we had all kinds of that problems. so that got to micro, mom is a forest with us. we must tenderly take care of it. and we can only take care of it by taking care of the forest outside in the song and enough hops again and again in

the film as you progress in your journey to where you are now, you question things and connections into connections. but why do you think that the doctors are routinely in nature countries treating ever more allergies? so they say, oh, aunt questioning these links necessarily you actually them all the sponsible doctors, the more informed doctors are actually making these things. i know what he's 3 cancer specialist who given of the clinics in cities and started organic, funny to say, i wouldn't treat my patients my growing good food and nurturing that got to my for bye. and of course, most of the people in the, in, i don't call in the health sector because they're not providing health. if they have a provider, you know, they be thinking of food, they're basically part of the industrial medical complex. they're just running the

10000000 up with the medical representatives come, they allocate these drugs and it's a machine to sell medicines and drugs. la rockefeller, lucy, what rockefeller did to bring them to you should he also did to our body and basically tried to criminalize every system of healthcare that has existed for emma india's. idly, there is more than 5000 years old and every attempt is made to rubbish. it but to which they would say to which they would say, life expectancy is increased out of the green revolution. the fact that counts as a more prevalent is merely because people are living longer and that allergies are somehow diseases of affluence, you know, you know what's written about in the press. i know in the film you talk about lobbied journalism to an extent, what would, how don't money on a case of one job, it's so clear. when job there was the healthiest people really hard working to deepen. job is a pocket of suicide because of debt. and kansas because of pesticides is

a cancer train that you spend job and it's not because ok, well i believe it is higher than it was under the british. no, no, it's not. that's a bigger on paper. young children are going in this cancer training. children are getting cancer. it's not just the old people, i'm it in us. why do i take up the film shows that many steps and we had took on a challenge and addressed it to things create outreach in me. unnecessary harm to the earth, an unnecessary violence to human beings. baba was a rog, wireless to people's been job was about violence to people and boilers for the up. and they, i asked the question, why do we do it this way? why the science and i going to the structures and then of course i can't live with the violence in an analysis of it. i must find the non violent path. so my journey has just been a deeper and deeper and deeper journey and non violence. the pain, deeper journey to protect by the misty and every step. i was looking for the poison

cartel and different things, but they merge behind every disaster. they get much so the connections of the violence res, face in the world, violence against climate man skins by diversities, species extinction. you know, of course in 6 will disappear if insecticides unleashed to. ringback insects by the most, your plans will disappear if you unleash glad will said meant to pill everything green as one center used to say in the convention, eating, kill everything green. green is the solution to life on earth. chemical designed to just kill the green is already eco sango. i know the film shows how your sister change your life. and her, albert einstein changed, changed your life. i said, said private capitalists inevitably control the main sources of information. it's almost impossible for individual citizens to, to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of political rights.

do you think that it may be very different from country to country, from continent to continent that the information law war is being lost? that the amount of lobby journalism i was surprised to hear that you, i suppose maybe maybe your fans would not be surprised to hear that you were under personal attack. i know in the, in the film it shows your life was threatened anyway, but you're under personal attack from magazines like the new yorker or whatever ab . do you think what you are saying can be transmitted in media publications, in massively profitable markets in western europe, in the united states? well, you know, for me, what matters is that it's transmitted. and, you know, i can say this much just yesterday. ready a young child from newsline release, the book, and when she was asked, what inspired you to this book? and she says monona shivers writings on the green revolution path. here are young

people all over the place. they didn't get it from social media. they actually read books and they did research, so there's a thinking group of concerned group of citizens who are very awake and i looking everywhere where they can to find the answers to the multiple crisis. because then you've got the heavy machinery and it's so repetitive, you know, i can even predict what will be said. because of the film we are discussing is premier was in germany, and now buyers in germany who should see all these they unleashed to attack an attack and attack. so they don't come down. and for me, you know, for i did science because science means to know the truth, to say to, you know, to know it's knowledge. that's my passion. knowledge is my passion. and just because 5 men page with money that michael specters and the math classes, right? trashy pieces, you know, i'm going to give up my passion for seeking answers on how to protect life and i

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