complex and a very common back the nominate is revealing something hidden, both about as consumers and beside is large. but any collective preoccupation is gratified and punishes goals, and it's off, exposes, misrepresent, with points i still join the chunk of internet traffic. what makes point such a symbol of desire guys discuss that i'm now joined by georgia. is it called a clinical psychologist from helping to get the money and also all law got a, a kaleidoscope on foreign georgia is a great talk to you. thank you very much. for the time and congratulations on this amazing book. thank you very much. thank you. now, as i said, you're turning out for that here in russia. it is a subject of many lower than politically incorrect jokes about the hot finished man coupled with the data. you're citing your book that 9 out of 10 finish man, up consumers a for and i one day there's something in the health area that's not only spark your

interest, but also gave you the that are designed to take courage to explore a subject like that. no, i don't think it would be my eating exam and i am from the i don't really here to have seen key on the 13 years ago. actually the interesting such as don't be any writing something started dongle. and the 1st they started reading many books about form that i could find. and then i came to the conclusion that at least in the union field, there was nothing written about it. and the general in the 2nd environment is always addressed for logical sides. and i thought it was missing or trying to exploration of the form itself. and what about the parent guys? like you said. so this started long before come to see me. and by the way,

yes, when the book, i mention this data about schumer's i, i quoted this very interesting research because it wasn't very long. the research is talking 1970 and they're willing wiring many dimensions. i'm trying to be off to the present time. but i know that other research is in different countries in the west, but they said basically there's one results. so it's not the only thing. the folks are actually everywhere in western countries. there is this kind of a result like 9 men on 10 and maybe nowadays 767 women over 10 or you go home consumer. so i don't think it's 30 hawks plays. disrespected hit the object of many jokes about the temperament of the spanish people here in russia. you show very elegantly how for one from

an obscure, somewhat. the latest fascination to a mass phenomena in, i think, 50 years for starting with the lives ation in denmark. and done in the united states from the 1970s. and i was surprised to learn that the collapse of the soviet union be in the country where i was born and also needed a major contribution to the industries in what way. well formed, developed for many, let's say for a 100 years, probably in a very nice style just the accessible by few people in the taking the western countries. like you mentioned that by the end of the sixties and the beginning of the seventy's born or production and distribution was allowed by goals in some countries starting with denmark in the us then francy to the many other countries. so my book is about mass form. so it's a mostly to the last few years and especially dedicated to

$24.00 men the sexual men. this is important to say is the phenomenon to say why nowadays? so i tried to focus on what is still the mainstream for an hour. and during the 7 days, and the former was a kind of side, the industry to industry and actually there were unions in many countries and movies they were trying to structure their work as any other work. but when, so if you didn't call out there was a massive amount. so most of all girls and women basically we need to do anything in order to earn some money which court into the western world. so to say, and these change completely, the landscape or industry because it went towards a more, i'm

a can anybody with a camera would feel my i'm can use something and then the internet would be that would be most of during the ninety's. so basically, these 2 factors together created a new landscape where all the unions and also the rules of the previous to see were swept away by using, you know, so yes, the coming from, especially you, ukraine, better rose on the and russia access to say change the landscape, correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i heard you say in other engineers, it's not just about the the nature of oregon, how actress is paid and how they are protected. but also about the style should have been the aim of the product itself, because i heard you say before the back in the seventy's and the eighty's was much more about the neutral pleasure, but damage shifted to far more violent and dominating kind of genre.

do you attribute that to a cultural influx of women from before somebody union or is it just the nature of time itself or the nature of male sexuality that has changed the word this is a very interesting question. well, i would say that the availability of women willing to do anything went well together with, with the increasing going towards the extreme that was already present in the seventy's and eighty's. but it was more somehow regulated. and especially in the seventy's since the previous decade, a, in the west of the changes social changes, there was a movement and all the movements. so in that moment the, the fact that was representing female sexuality as

a joyful and disconnected from procreation that as a pleasure for women, it was a very new same element in that moment. so it was already extreme during the seventies and eighties. i mean, we can find extreme back them too, but i can see are much different from the current form, which is very much of using a woman for me. pleasure. i wouldn't dare to say that there was a culture contribution on the side of the women. i think a teacher who was already there and the idea that actually we could exploit all these women are willing to do anything just a markets advantage. so now, one of the essential ideas in your book is that technological inventions will demonstrate how important is a logical invention or not national tools. they don't just satisfy our needs,

but they form and shape them sometimes. but pre approval is just an insidious a. i wonder how do you start trying to maintain if not autonomy, then sound, think me of no dependency on on those technological forms and anything out there. why is interest in question? in a way human beings have always be technological from the very 1st time when somebody created the container to bring the water from the river to the cavern, probably already baffles or technology coming. you mention something out of the nature of the last 100 years saw dramatic change in our landscape to the point that technology according to the us that they bought a lot in the book became the subject of history and actually premium we as human

beings are on the co, historical to technology. so definitely will even if acknowledged a word that is just one of the manual technology. but all of this objects that surround us, and that is not only a tool in our hands and depends on how we use bad. this is, are kind of nice to anders. he's claims that actually we should be worried about how to use us, which is the reverse perspective, where technology actually can change deeply our in our emotions and the way we are in the world. it's a fact. although a little desk technology is the current word, so i don't think that we can, we can imagine a word without it. it's a very, very difficult processed balance. our relationship with technology, we are knowledgeable. we're i think that the starting point is to question,

seriously our technology, the landscape. and i, i mean, i try to do is even though the topic is much wider than or you're mentioned under the german industrial for lots of are in many ways was ahead of his time foretelling the dangers of being blamed by technology. so i saw that his 2nd book of athletes was titled the lesson man. i know that you don't like judging or moralizing in any way, but do you think by and large, 40 years after the publication of this book we have come to, you don't be in for kind of being cruel and that people are not all of them, but by and large losing touch not only with the free period in them or but also the bodies. because when you look at both these fear this just

embodied in the same time as a trans union of all was handed out and unions. yes. yes. you're right. yeah. i personally, i think the word is 5 by now present. i really wonder how he would ever consider the current needs of words. for example there on because many sections were based on radio and g straight to amazing. she was 14 talking to are really much more talking about the current. although he died i think he, agents so before the ancient. yeah, i do believe that the word is is present in this moment. i know that there are many other seems there's that much more positive about ecology and they believe there is just

a normal development of consciousness going toward that i am closer to this worries. so to say, and i am worried that the more well interestingly that despite human beings so much ahead of his time, he is not widely published in english. you know that, that is, you know, what we usually think of the western world as the, and the driver of both the 3rd and the 4th industrial revolution. and yet, they are very few translations of his work that mostly on an amateur in nature. i wonder if that is just an unfortunate happenstance to you, or the thing is that are a form of deliver it to actual ostracizing. yeah, well as an analyst, it's hard enough to see that there is in this regression on this work

industry to this or a finally published in english. i found out this year there is a big word. i think it's published in america about around this war works general. it's some 500 pages book. so they have now finally translated to something and spoken to him. it's interesting because his 1st book was published, the end of the 2nd world war 248. i think the 2nd one, the eighty's or 99, a song and i could find a translation. and it was already existing since the sixty's. but in the true word . so to say it's funny, last year maybe august, so i see it as a little bit of a regression because it was a very voice, especially for him. and he was also contemporary of young. and i think union ideas are also seeing a bit of a revival, so maybe it's a synchronistic when in

a way that we're coming back to prominence anyway, you're do we have to take a very short break right now. we'll be back in just a few moments they can ah, ah ah, ah. with

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic and development. only personally, i'm going to lose it. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical. i'm time to sit down and talk ah welcome back to the parts of a clinical psychologist from finland and author of law god assist

a kaleidoscope on foreign georgia before the briefly touched on this very central idea in your book. as well as in the work of good there on there's that now logical inventions are not natural tools. they not only satisfy our needs but also shape and foster them. and sometimes they even create our needs. and you provide a very interesting example of coca cola as something that for many people essentially managed to hijack that basic need for 30 stand by claiming to satisfy it actually increases it. and i think that's a very sort of common thing within the big industry as well as within the big pharma industry because they're very, a lot of very obnoxious images there. if you look at the most prevalent disease is metabolic dizziness right now be diabetes dementia, a, b, c. many of them would be tracy. people are being hooked on certain foods or on

certain habits. and i think one is that perhaps already creating the same dynamic in certain populations. it could be very helpful to some or very imaginative to some, but in many people, it also creates addiction. and i understand it's a very complex question. i understand you don't like passing judgments, but where do you think we should start in terms of both assigning responsibility? because you know how budgets are something that we are all concerned about is the public good and also helping people develop a helpful and regionally respectful relationship with technology and new invention and the industries that produced them? yes. yeah. your questions are always very interesting or big. they will require lots of time to, to reflect on the questions. well,

i would say that taking the example foreigner and the name of my book was to show different sides of it, which is something that i didn't find in many books. i called the book a kaleidoscope for that every chapter should have been a color and all the colors together. they were for me to come to school so that the reader can turn the book. so do say, and see maybe some configurations or others. i stuff from these by the way, she mean that when a phenomenon is a complex form is having the ability to see many colors and, and embrace this complexity is the 1st step we have to do before doing what you are asking the same about technology technology is a very complex topic and why is lots of reflections. and so

to say, many asked before we, we can decide something about what can we do in order not to be just addicted. so i thought it was me too many books or was this complexity. they were only focusing on some aspects, for example, addiction or a logical version. but form is a very complex object that actually is just a good scene, many other phenomena of our work. so what you asked, that requires 1st of all to know much better and so much a deeper level. and then we can try to understand what can we do about it. well, we can invite out to get your book and reflect on it, but i can tell you from a personal perspective that one of the very simple but for some reason,

very insightful idea for me was that, that, that mean not just leave it in our bodies but we are the bodies and the desiring bodies and your book demonstrates it in a, in a very interesting way. and there is, i think, a huge difference in perceiving yourself. i'm living in the body and actually imagining yourself that same body. i can you, can you speak about that a little bit? yes, this is, this is an important point to because point for example, and experience technology. so i'll get to a screen basically where nowadays are videos or pictures, how technology invites kind of splits with the bobbie big. because we look at some checks and sex performance. and the only changes that we are using in that moment are basically sites and hearing because there is but actually

sex as a real experience, as an important experience, that would be much more involving the others like days, smell in the war. very interesting. how, like you said before, those are kind of the nation of opposite or is a sexual thing. but actually it doesn't have anything to do with the sexual embodied experience. because we're just sitting in front of a screen. there's nothing a physical there. there are some physical things, i mean my only physical people, not just watch they, i think use the imagination sometimes that has to, oh, i mean that there is not an embodied experience with the people, but it's not the same thing as a real sexual kid can actually ask you about them because i think this is

a fascinating question and actually is one of the sort of 5 top base against things that's calling and identified. and i think more than others, it requires the presence of the other, you know. yeah. and you unions like to talk about the the benefits of living imagination. but i was perhaps a downside to that. as a clinical psychologist. what are some of the dangers of living out too much of your sexuality in this imaginary reality? yes. well, this is also very important to i believe that there's unions, but all of the 2nd work, let's say it's very much leaning on the verbal side and we tend to not to get too much attention to the body, but there are movements so to say in the words that are trying to improve the body level much more and there are very interesting crossovers between,

for example, you theory and authentic move manager or dance therapy and other teams that more of the body. so yeah, there is always nice to disconnect from the physical body to experience there is the need to keep polarities together like the imagination but. ready also the body level, so important to technology object, the vice, it just, cleats from the body experience in a way. and this is one example. i mean this is happening your lot with g best we can disconnect from the body. we can disconnect from the emotions. we can disconnect even from ethics because we just watch a video without responsibility, what's going on and that maybe some violence video or something at the speaker will that he wouldn't. we would never do reality. still we are enjoying something which is violent. so there's a lot of questions that are poor by these things,

and definitely try to reconnect to body and mind much more also in the union. the theory put out the wrong because look at the data, despise this very wide availability of for the people around the developed world. having less sense they're having, it's later in their lives. it's also less creative, not only because of their birth control, but also because of the precipitously falling current comes in. many of the white man, if you step outside the point for a while, what do you think is happening with human sexuality in general? within this larger view of technology and the, the 4th industrial revolution that we're about to enter. yeah, well, on one hand, there are many signs of crisis, like you were mentioning on the other. i'm reading so many interesting books that

are addressing a new ways there. interesting ways i her mind the book a speech, the authors fema authors but i am reading a lot of books about sexuality and couple relationship and already i'm already and many you say development. so really sex. so like you said in the beginning, there are always some opposite phenomena happening at the same time. there is a crisis of the previous way, maybe sexuality, the patriot prizes, investing. also, the way to try to get has always be tended. and hopefully, you know, new elements that are starting to circulate, you will change the landscape in the future. so i hope that we will have all better sex and better relationship with them. yeah, well and have a better relationship with reality,

which i think is the goal of any psychological school, but especially in psychology seen as want to be allowed reality to really real gone like magic to me or more of those. since you have the word, goddesses in the title, what do they have to do with base activity asked for? and yeah, i know we have a very short time left to so i just try to make a huge about maybe, maybe the listen. i will be curious to see in the, in the more expensive way. and i had the idea that say, the hypothesis that a factor of fascination for form that should be found also outside the usual logical explanations is definitely fascinating for the majority of men and women around the world, including one other genders. and i believe that reducing everything to

g is to narrowing. so my hypothesis is that actually corner corner, it's possible to find some change to walking on the ear as was connected to the sake of a big topic or you know, the years. the say there was a place, a place beyond the bad, a place or place of the got to place of the human being. so in a very strange way, or somehow something has to do with the under certain shade. and i explain it in the book, but it's really along their topic now. and so the reason i say that the form that there is some sheet to the secret that actually is fascinating because we need the sacrifice. we're

a statement that is dead. and we can say that the secret has disappeared as a, you know, any union of what they have replied to you. that what kind of a, whether he's called the not the, the guys are still present it. it's a matter of seeing and perceiving them and having a right relationship with them to, to have to leave it there. i wish i could have more time to discuss fascinating book, and i invite our readers to, to get it that you have an advantage over russians. i think it's still available around the world on amazon. so to take a chance on that. thank you very much. with this possibility to talk. thank you. what you hope to hear again next week? all the part a with

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