it is a subject of many lower than politically incorrect jokes about the hot finished man and coupled with the data you're citing your book that 9 out of 10 finish man, up consumers a for and i one day if there's something in the health area that not only spark your interest, but also gave you the that are designed to take courage to explore a project like this. no, i don't think it would be my eating and i am from the i don't need to leave here to have seen on the 13 years ago. actually the interesting and such as don't be any writing something started long ago and they started reading many books about form that i could find. and then i came to the conclusion that leasing the union and there was nothing written about it. and in general, in the 2nd i need to come environment or is always a rescue for logical sides. and i thought it was missing a kind of exploration of the old form itself. and what about the

parent site? like you said? so this started long before my coming to see him. and by the way, yes, in the book i mention this data about schumer's. a very interesting research because it was a very long the research is talking 1970 and they're willing wiring many dimensions . i'm trying to be off to the present time, but i know that other research is in different countries in the west. they say basically this one results. so it's not the only thing the folks are actually everywhere in western countries. there is this kind of a result like 9 man on 10 and maybe nowadays 767. we went over 10 years ago on consumer. so i don't know, fox,

blaze disrespected. just the object of many jokes about the temperament of the spanish people here in russia. in your book, you show very elegantly how for one from an obscure, somewhat, the latest fascinations to amass phenomenal in i think, 50 years for starting with the legalize ation in denmark and done in the united states from the 19 seventy's. and i was surprised to learn that the collapse of the soviet union be in the country where i was born and also needed a major contribution to the industry in what way. well, developed for many, let's say for a 100 years, probably in a very nice style, just the accessible by few people in the taking the western countries like you mentioned. it's only by the end of the sixties and the beginning of the seventy's born or production and distribution was allowed just by law in some countries

starting with denmark in the us, then francy to the many other countries. so my book is about mass form, so mostly to the period of the last few years and especially dedicated to boarding tenants for men, the sexual men. this is important to say is the phenomenon to say why nowadays? so i tried to focus on what is still the mainstream for an hour and during the 7 days, and the former was a kind of side, the industry to industry. and actually there were unions in many countries and actors, movies they were trying to structure to their work as any other work. but when, so if you didn't call out, there was a massive amounts. so most of all yours and women, basically we need to do anything to earn some money which

a cord into the western world. so to say, and these change completely the landscape, birth or industry because it went towards a more i'm a can anybody with their camera would feel my new something and then also during the ninety's. so basically, these 2 factors together created a new landscape where all the unions and also the rules of the previous to see were swept away by using, you know, so yes, the coming from, especially you ukraine, bell rose and russia access to say change the landscape. correct? me if i'm wrong, but from what i heard you say in other engineers, it's not just about the the nature of oregon, how actress is paid and how they're protected. but also about the style should have

been the aim of the product itself, because i heard you say before the back in the seventy's and the eighty's. it was much more about the neutral pleasure, but damage shifted to with formal violence and dominating kind of genre. do you attribute that to a cultural influx of women from before when somebody union or is it just the nature of time itself or the nature of male sexuality that has changed the word this is a very interesting question. i would say that the the availability of women willing to do anything went well together with the, with the increasing they're going towards the extreme mothers was already present in the seventy's and age. his body was more power late, especially in the seventy's since the previous decade. the 60 in the west would be changes social changes,

there was feminist movements and movements. so in that moment the fact that was representing female sexuality as a joy, fool, and disconnected from procreation. as a pleasure for women, it was of a new fame. adamant in that moment. so it was already extreme during the seventy's name. i mean we can find the extreme back to them too, but definitely fear was much different from the current form, which has been much about using a woman for me at pleasure. i wouldn't dare to say that there was a cultural contribution from the side of the women. i think peter was already there . and the idea that actually we could exploit all these. we're going to do anything just was your markets advantage. so now,

one of the essential ideas in your book is that technological inventions demonstrate how important is the logical invention. i'm not national tools, they don't just satisfy me when they form and shave them some time with pretty malicious, insidious motives. i wonder how do you, yourself try to maintain it's not an autonomy you've done some degree of dependency on on those technological tools, forums and anything out there. why is interest in question? in a way human beings have always be technology goes on the very 1st time when somebody created the container to bring the water from the river to the cavern, probably already baffles or technology coming. mention something out of the nature of the last 100 years saw

a dramatic change in our landscape to the point that technology according to the us that they bought a lot in the book became the subject of history and actually premium we as human beings are on the co, historical to technology. so definitely will even if acknowledged a word that is just one of the manual technology. but all of this objects that surround us. and that is not only a tool in our hands and depends on how we use it too bad. this is, are kind of a nice position for me to anders, he's claims that actually we should be worried about how to use us, which is a reverse perspective, where technology actually can change deeply our in our emotions and the way we are in the work. it's a fact that technology is the current word, so i don't think that we can,

we can imagine a word without it. it's a very, very difficult processed balance. our relationship with technology, we are knowledgeable. we're i think that the starting point is to question, seriously our technology, the landscape. and i, i mean, i try to do is even though the topic is my fly either that or your massive or under the german industrial for lots of are in many ways was ahead of his time foretelling the dangers of being inflamed by technology so much so that his 2nd book of athletes was titled the apple man. i know that you don't like judging moralizing in any way, but do you think by and large, 40 years after the publication of this book we have come to, to don't be in for kind of being cruel and that people are not

all of them, but by and large losing touch, not only with the free period in them or but also the bodies because when you look at hornets, both these fear this just embodied in the same time as a trans union of all was handed out in the union. yes, yes. you're right. yeah, i personally, i think the word is 5 by now present. i really wonder how he would consider the current internet words, for example on because many sections were based on radio and she was great, amazing. she was foreseeing something that is really much more talking about the current word. although he died. i think he, agents so before the ancient yeah, i do believe that the word is,

is present in this moment. i know that there are many other seems there's that much more positive about ecology and they believe there is just the normal development of human consciousness are going toward that to i am closer to this worries. so to say. and i am worried that the more well i, interestingly that despite human beings so much ahead of his time, he is not widely published in english. you know that, that is, you know, what, we usually think of the western world as the, and the driver of both the 3rd and the 4th industrial revolution. and yet they are very few translations of his work that i mostly on i, when i mature in nature, i wonder if that is just an unfortunate happenstance to you, or if you think that are a form of deliver,

it will actually ostracizing. yeah. well, as an analyst, it's hard not to think of that. there is a mean regression on this work industry to this are a finally published in english. i found out this year there is a big word. i think it's published in america about around this war works general. it's some 500 pages book. so they have now finally translated into something and spoken to him. it's interesting because his 1st born was published, the end of the 2nd world war 48. i think the 2nd one, the eighty's or 99, a sam, i could find a translation and it was already existing since the sixty's. but in the true word. so to say it's funny, last year maybe august, so i see it as a little bit of

a regression because it was a very voice, especially for him. and he was also contemporary of young. and i think union ideas are also being a bit of a revival. so maybe it's a synchronistic when that in a way that we're coming back to prominence anyway, you're do we have to take a very short break right now. we'll be back in just a few moments they can. ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully,

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welcome back to work a clinical psychologist from finland and also law got assists, a kaleidoscope on foreign georgia before the briefly touched on this very central idea in your book as well as in the work of good there on there's that logical inventions, i'm not natural tools. they not only satisfy our needs but also shape and foster them. and sometimes they even create our needs. and you provide a very interesting example of coca cola, something that for many people actually managed to hijack that basic need for 30 stand by claiming to satisfy or they'd actually increase it. and i think that's a very sort of common thing within the big food industry as well as within the big pharma industry because they are very a lot of very obnoxious images there. if you look at the most prevalent diseases, metabolic diseases right now, be diabetes. dementia, a, b,

c, many of them would be trace to people being hooked on certain foods or on certain habits . and i think one is perhaps recreating the same dynamic and certain populations. it could be very helpful to some or very imaginative to some, but in many people, it also creates a dixon and i understand it's a very complex question i had to send you don't like passing judgments, but where do you think we should start in terms of both assigning responsibility because you know how budgets are something that we are all concerned about as a public good. and also helping people develop a helpful and sort of mutually respectful relationship with technology. and the new inventions and the industry that's produced down. yes. yeah. your questions are always very interesting for be they would require a lot of time to reflect on the questions. well,

i would say that taking the example corner, and the name of my book was to show different sides of it, which is something that i didn't find in many books. i called the book a kaleidoscope for that every chapter should have been a color. and they're all to call us together, they were for me to come to school so that the reader can turn the book so to say and see maybe some configurations or others in the me, nor by the way she went on is a complex form is having the ability to see many colors and, and embrace this complexity is the 1st step we have to do before doing what you are asking. the same about technology technology is a very complex topic and why is lots of reflections. and so

to say, many asked before we, we can decide something about what can we do in order not to be just addicted. so okay, i thought it was me see mableton or was this complexity. they were only focusing on some aspect, for example, addiction or logical perversion is a very complex object that actually is just a good many other phenomena of our work. so what you asked the requires 1st of all to know much better and are so much deeper level, a job. and then we can try to understand what can we do about it. well, we can invite our years to get your book and reflect on it, but i can tell you from a personal perspective,

that's one of the very simple but for some reason, during high school ideas for me was that that, that mean not just leave it in our bodies, but we are the body and the desiring bodies demonstrates it in a, in a very interesting way. there is actually, i think, a huge differences in perceiving yourself as living in the body. and actually imagining yourself that same body. can you, can you speak about that a little bit? yes, this is, this is an important point. because for, for example, and experience technology objects to a screen, basically we're speaking nowadays or videos or features. how technology invites kind of splits with the bobby. because we look at some checks and performance and the only sense is that we are using and that moment are basically

size and hearing because there is but actually sex as a real experience as an important experience. so it would be much more involving those like a smell in parchments. the war very interesting. how, like you said before, those are kind of mutation of opposites. like, why is this sexual thing? but actually it doesn't have anything to do with the sexual, embody experience because we're just sitting in front of the screen. there's nothing a physical there. there are some things i mean mightily, physical. people not just watch they, i think use the imagination and sometimes there have to, i mean, there is not the an embodied experience with the people or shouts, but it's not the same thing as

a real sexual kid can actually ask you about them because i think this is a fascinating question and sexuality is one of the sort of 5 basic things that's calling an identified. and i think more than others, it requires the presence of the other, you know. yeah. and you unions like to talk about the the benefits of living imagination. but i want perhaps a downside to that too. as a clinical psychologist, what are some of the dangers of living out too much of your sexuality in this imaginary reality? yes. well, this is also very important to, i believe that the union, but all the 2nd work to say it's very much leaning on the variables side and we tend to not get too much attention to the body. but there are movements so to say in the 2nd world that are trying to improve the body level much more.

and there are very interesting crossovers between, for example, you theory and authentic move manager or dance therapy and other things, the more the body. so yeah, me, there is always nice to disconnect from the physical and bodied experience there is a need to keep together like the imagination, but also the, the body level. so important to acknowledge object, the mindset discrete from the body experience in a way. and this is why sample, i mean this is happening a lot with ecology that we can disconnect from the body. we can disconnect from the emotions. we can disconnect even from ethics. because we just watch a video with our responsibility, what's going on and maybe some violence video or something at the speaker will that the we would, we would never doing the reality,

but still we are enjoying something which is violent. so there's a lot of questions that are poor by the sleep things and definitely try to reconnect to body and mind that much more. also theory for that and the role because look at the data, despite the very wide availability of the people around the developed world, i have a less tax, they're having it later in life. it's also less creative, not only because of their birth control, but also because of b precipitously falling prone cones. in many of the man, if you step outside the form for a while and what do you think is happening with human sexuality in general? within this larger view of technology and the 4th industrial revolution that we are about to enter. yeah, well, on one hand, there are many signs of crisis like you were mentioning on the other. i'm reading

so many interesting books that are address and sexuality in new ways and they're interested in ways i, her mind a speech, the authors female authors. but i am reading a lot of books about sexuality and couple relationship already. ann marie and many you say development, so really sex. so like you said in the beginning there was some opposite phenomena happening at the same time. there is a crisis of the previous way, maybe sexuality, the patriot prizes, investing, also the way to try it has always be tended and hopefully, you know, you elements that are starting to circulate. you will change the landscape in the future. so i hope that we will have all better sex and better relationship. and

yeah, well, and perhaps a better relationship with reality, which i think is the goal of any psychological school, but especially in psychology, seen as one of the allow reality to really real gone like magic to mere mortals. since you have the goddesses in the title, what do they have to do with base activity asked for? and yeah, i know we have a very short time left to so i just try to make a huge about maybe, maybe the listen. i will be curious to see in the, in the more expensive way. and i had the idea that say, the hypothesis that a factor of fascination for form that should be found also outside the usual logical explanations is definitely fascinating for the majority of men and women around the world,

including one other genders. and i believe that reducing everything to g is a bit to narrowing. so my hypothesis is that actually porno, poor. it's possible to find some sheens to walking on the ear as was connected to the sake of a big topic or you know, the year of the say there was a place a place beyond the bad a place or place of the got the place of the human being so in a very strange way, or somehow something has to do with the under certain shade. and i explain it in the book, but it's really along their topic now. and so the reason i sense that the form that there is some hint to the secret that actually is fascinating because we live in

the surprise, we're since a statement that is dead. and we can say that the secret has disappeared as a, you know, any union of what they have replied to you. that what kind of a, whether he's called the not the, the guys are still present it. it's a matter of seeing and perceiving them and having a right relationship with them today. i have to leave it there. i wish i could have more time to discuss fascinating book and i invite our readers to to get it. you have an advantage over russians. i think it's still available around the world on amazon, so to take a chance on that. thank you very much with this possibility to talk think and thank you. what you hope to hear again next week on all the part. ah ah

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