warren is always addressed, broke the logical sides, and i thought it was missing, kind of the exploration of the old form itself. and what about the parent guys? like you said? so this started longer for me to see him. and by the way, yes, in the book i mention this data about form consumers. i, i quoted this very interesting research because it was a very long research starting math in 70. they were wiring many dimensions. i'm trying to be off to the present time. i know that other researches in different countries in the west, they said basically this one results. so not only thing the folks are actually everywhere in western countries. there is this kind of a result like 9 man on 10 and maybe nowadays 767, we went over. can you go on consumer?

so i don't think in this particular the hawks plays disrespected of many jokes about the temperament of the spanish people here in russia. in your book, you show very elegantly how for one of your somewhat the latest fascinations to amass phenomena in i think 50 years for starting with the lives ation in denmark and down in the united states in the 1970s. and i was surprised to learn that the collapse of the soviet union be in the country where i was born. also didn't major contribution to the industry in what way form developed for many or let's say for a 100 years, probably in a very nice or style just accessible by few people in the taking the western countries. like you mentioned, it's only by the end of the sixties and the beginning of the seventy's data born

production and distribution was allowed just by goals in some countries starting with denmark in the us then from the to the many other countries. so my book is about mass form, so it's mostly to the last few years and especially dedicated to jenny for men, the sexual men. this is important to say the phenomenon to say why nowadays, so i tried to focus on what is still the mainstream for an hour and during the 7 days, and the former was a kind of side, the industry to industry. and actually there were unions in many countries and movies they were trying to structure their work as any other work. but when so with the union out there was a massive amounts of women. most of all girls and women basically we need to do

anything in order to earn some money which of course into the. ready western world, so to say, and these change completely, the landscape industry because it went towards a more, i'm not sure anybody with a camera would feel my i'm can use something and then the internet would be that would be more so during the ninety's. so basically, these 2 factors together created the new landscape where all the unions and also the rules of the previous to see were swept away by using, you know, so yes, the coming from, especially you, ukraine, better rose on the and russia actually see. so to say change the landscape, correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i heard you say in other engineers, it's not just about the,

the nature of work and how actress is paid and how they are protected. but also about the style should have been the aim of the product itself, because i heard you say before that, back in the seventy's and eighty's, it was much more about the mutual pleasure, but then it shifted towards the formal violent and dominating kind of genre. do you attribute that to a cultural influx of, you know, women from performance of union or is it just the nature of time itself, or the nature of male sexuality that has changed over time? well, this is a very interesting question. well, i would say that the availability of women willing to do anything went well together with, with the increasing or going towards the extreme. and it was already present in the seventy's and eighty's. but it was more somehow regulated and especially in the seventy's since the previous decade, the 60 s or in the west of

b changes social changes. there was a movement and all the movements. so in that moment the, the fact that was representing female sexuality as a joyful and disconnected from procreation that as a pleasure for women, it was a very new element in that moment. so it was already extreme during the 70s in 8 years. i mean, we can find extreme back then to, but i can see are much different from the current or which is very much of using a woman for me. it pleasure. i wouldn't dare to say that there was a cultural contribution from the side of the women. i think a teacher was already there. and the idea that actually we could exploit all these

women are willing to do anything just a markets advantage. so now, one of the essential ideas in your book is that technological inventions will demonstrate how important is a logical invention or not national tools. they don't just satisfy our needs, but they form and shape them sometimes. but pre approval is just an insidious a. i wonder how do you, yourself try to maintain, if not an autonomy than sounding meal know, dependency on on those technological forms and anything out there. why is interest in question? in a way human beings have always be technology goes on the very 1st time when somebody created the container to bring the water from the river to the cavern,

already baffles or technology come you mention something out of the nature of the last 100 years. so dramatic change in our landscape to the point that technology, according to the us that they bought a lot in the book, became the subject of history and actually use a premium we as human beings are on the co, historical to technology. so definitely will even if acknowledged a word that is just one of the many objects technology but all of this objects that surround us. and that is not only a tool in our hands and depends on how we use bad. this is a kind of nice position, according to our anders. he's claims that actually we should be worried about how technology use us, which is the reverse perspective, where technology actually can change deeply our in our emotions, the way we are in the world. it's a fact that technology is the current word, so i don't think that we can,

we can imagine a word without it. it's a very, very difficult processed balance. our relationship with technology, we are knowledgeable. we're i think that the starting point is to question seriously our technology, the landscape. and i, i mean, i try to do is even though the topic is much wider than or your mentor under the german industrial for lots of our who in many ways was ahead of his time or telling the dangers of being blamed by technology so much so that his 2nd book of athletes was titled the apple man. i know that you don't like judging or moralizing in any way, but do you think by and large, 40 years after the publication of this book we have come to

don't be in court kind of being cruel and that people are not all of them, but by and large losing touch, not only with the free period in them or but also the bodies, because when you look at war and it's both dispirited and disinvited in the same time as a trans union of all as a union without a union. yes, yes, you're right. yeah, i personally, i think the word, the side by now present i really wonder how he would consider the current needs and it's more, for example, on because many sections were based on radio g which create your main thing. she was foreseen are really much more talking about the current. although he died i think he, agents. so before the engine. yeah,

i do believe that she is the soap in word is, is present in this moment. i know that there are many other seems. there's much more positive about ecology and they just say the normal development. so human consciousness are going to. ready that to i am closer to this worries, so to say, and i am worried that the more well i, interestingly that the human being so much ahead of his time. he is not widely published in english. you know that, that is, you know, what we usually think of the western world as the, and the driver of the 3rd and the 4th industrial revolution. and yet that very few translations are his work that mostly on when mature in nature. i wonder if that is

just an unfortunate happenstance to you, or if you think it's that are a form of deliver, it will actually ostracizing. yeah, well as an analyst it's hard enough to see that there is a need to use regression on this work industry to this or a finally published this i found out this year there is a big word. i think it's published in america about around this war works general. it's some 500 pages book. so they have now finally translated into something and spoken to him. it's interesting because his 1st born was published, the end of the 2nd world war, i think, 48, i think the 2nd 180 or 99 a song and i could find a translation. and it was already existing since the sixty's, but in the world. so to say, i mean, last year maybe august,

so i see it as a little bit of a regression because it was a very voice, especially for him. and he was also contemporary. okay. and i think union ideas are also seeing a bit of a revival. so maybe it's a synchronistic when in a way that we're coming back to prominent anyway, do we have to take a very short break right now? we'll be back in just a moment. thank you. ah ah

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms. race is often very dramatic. that development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical. i'm time to sit down and talk ah welcome back to will to parts at georgia 3 kind of a clinical psychologist from finland and author of law of god assist a kaleidoscope on foreign georgia before the briefly touched on this very central idea in your book as well, as in the work of good there on,

there's that now logical inventions, i'm not natural tools, they not only satisfy our needs but also shape and foster them. and sometimes they even create our needs. and you provide a very interesting example of coca cola, something that for many people essentially managed to hijack that basic need for 30 stand by claiming to satisfy it actually increases it. and i think that's a very sort of common thing within the big food industry as well as within the big pharma industry because they are very a lot of very obnoxious images there. if you look at the most prevalent disease is metabolic dizziness right now, be diabetes. dementia, alzheimer's, a, b, c, many of them would be trace to people are being hooked on certain foods or on certain habits. and i think one is the, perhaps red recreating of the same dynamic and certain populations. it could be

very helpful to some of very imaginative to some but in many people. it also addiction and i understand it's a very complex question. i understand, you know, like passing judgments. but when do you think we should start in terms of both assigning responsibility? because you know how budgets are something that we are all concerned about is a public good and also helping people develop a helpful and sort of mutually respectful relationship with technology and the new inventions and the industries that produce them. yes. yeah, your questions are always very interesting for the require a lot of time for you to reflect on where she's ok. well, i would say that taking the example corner and the name of my book or so to show different sides of it,

which is something that i didn't find in many books. i called the book a kaleidoscope, or video that every chapter should have been a color and all the colors together. they were forming kaleidoscope so that the reader can turn the book so to say and see maybe some configurations or others. i start from this in order to reply to your question mean when a phenomenon is a complex form is having the ability to see many colors and, and embrace this complexity is the 1st step we have to do before doing what you were asking. the same about technology technology is a very complex, it's requires a lot of reflections. and so to say, deepening of many aspects before we, we can decide something about what can we do in order not to be just

addicted. so, you know, okay, thought it was me see medical 2 or was this complexity? they were only focusing on some ask them for example, addiction or logical perversion. born is a very complex object that actually is just a good many other phenomena of our parents to work. so what you asked the requires 1st of all to know much better and are so much deeper level, a job. and then we can try to understand what can we do about it. well, we can invite our years to get your book to reflect on it, but i can tell you from a personal perspective, that's one of the very simple but for some reason during typo ideas for me was that that, that mean not just leave it in our bodies, but we are the body and the desiring bodies demonstrates it in a, in

a very interesting way. and there is actually, i think, a huge differences in perceiving yourself as living in the body and actually. ringback imagining yourself that same body. can you, can you speak about that a little bit? yes, this is, this is an important point because for, for example, and experience technology can get to a screen basically where nowadays or videos or features. just how acknowledge invites kind of splits with the bobby because we look at some checks and performance. and the only senses that we are using in that moment are basically sides and hearing because there is but actually sex as a real experience as an important experience. so it would be much more involving

beyond those like a smell. and most of all it's very interesting how like you said before, those are kind of mutation of opposites like. busy is a sexual thing, but actually doesn't have anything to do with the sexual, embody experience because we're just sitting in front of the screen. there's nothing a physical there. there are some physical things. mightily physical people not just watch they, i think use the imagination sometimes there have to, oh, i mean there is not the an embodied experience with the people are shouts, but it's not, it's not the same thing as a real sexual kid can actually ask you about them because i think this is a fascinating question on sexuality is one of the sort of 5 basic things that's calling and identified. and i think more than others, it requires the presence of the other, you know,

unions like to talk about the the benefits of living imagination. but i was perhaps a downside to that. as a clinical psychologist. what are some of the dangers of living out too much of your sexuality in this imaginary reality? yes, well, this is also a very important topic to, i believe that the union, but all of the 2nd work, let's say it's very much leaning on the verbal side. and we can to not to give too much attention to the body, but there are movements. so to say in the work that are trying to improve the body level much more and there are very interesting crossovers between, for example, you theory and authentic movement or dance therapy and other things,

the more the body. so yeah, me, there is always to disconnect from the physical body to experience. there is the need to keep a lot of these together like the imagination, but also the body level. so important to technology object, the vice, it just straight from the body experience in a way. and this is one example. i mean this is happening. your lot ology that we can disconnect from the body. we can disconnect from the emotions. we can just one that even from ethics because we just watch a video with our responsibility. what's going on in that you maybe some violence video or something at the speaker that we wouldn't, we would never do the reality. still. we are enjoying something which is violent. so there's a lot of questions that are poor by the splittings, and definitely try to reconnect to body and mind much more. also,

in theory, i put out the wrong because look at the data, despise this very wide availability of for the people around the developed world having less sense than having it's later in their lives. it's also less creative, not only because of their birth control, but also because of the precipitously falling pro comes in many of the white man. if you step outside the point for a while, what do you think is happening with human sexuality in general? within this larger view of technology and the, the 4th industrial revolution that we're about to enter. yeah, well, on one hand, there are many signs of crisis. like you were mentioning. only other i'm reading so many interesting books that are addressing a new ways and very interesting ways. i her mind a speech the authors fema authors.

but i am reading a lot of books about sexuality and couple relationship and already i'm already and many you say development. so really sex. so like you said in the beginning there are always some opposite phenomena happening at the same time. there is a crisis of the previous way, maybe sexuality, the patriot prizes is investing also the way to try. it has always be tended and hopefully, you know, you elements that are starting to circulate. you will change the landscape in the future. so i hope that we will have all better sex and better relationship with them. yeah. well, and have a better relationship with reality, which i think is the goal of any psychological school, but especially in psychology, seen as one of the allowed reality to really real gone like

magic to mere mortals. since you have the word, goddesses in the title, what do they have to do with base activity asked for? and yeah, i know we have a very short time left to so i just try to make a huge about maybe, maybe the listen. i will be curious to see in the, in a more extensive way. so i would say the hypotheses that a factor of fascination for form that should be found also outside the usual logical explanations is definitely fascinating for the georgia my agreement around the world to do another genders. and i believe that reducing everything to a g b, it's too narrowing. so my hypothesis is that actually for now or not, it's possible to find some sheet to walk in here as was connected to the sake

of a big talk. you know, the years the said there was a place, a place beyond a bad, a place or place of the got to be so in a very strange way or somehow something has to do with her. and she did that. and i explained it in the book, but it's really a long topic now. and so the reason i say that the form that there is some hint to the secret that actually is fascinating because you know, the soccer eyes were a statement. that is, dad can say that the secret has disappeared as a, you know,

any union of what they have replied to you that what kind of a, whether it's still available around the world on amazon. so to take a chance on that, thank you very much. with this possibility to talk. thank you. what you hope to hear again next week? all the part. ah a ah. ah. 3 little green spoken with

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