[000:00:00;00] a part jokingly dismissed or change. what was the point that when the last a very complex and very complex phenomenon revealing something hidden, both about its consumers and societies. at large like any collective preoccupation, it gratified and punishes souls and exhaust, exposes and misrepresent. with points i still joined the chunk of internet traffic . what makes point such a symbol of desire guys discussed that i'm now joined by georgia to try to call a clinical psychologist from house with an author. all law got

a kaleidoscope on orange. george. it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time and congratulations on this amazing book. thank you very much. thank you. now, as i said, you're joining us from finland that here in russia. it is a subject of many lurid and politically incorrect jokes about the hot finish, ma'am, coupled with the data? yes, i think your book that 9 out of 10 finish man up consumers of 4. and i wonder if there's something in the house and error that not only spark your interest, but also gave you the sort of the scientific courage to explore a subject like that. no, i don't think you'd speak with him and i am from you. i moved here to be 13 years ago. actually the interesting such a topic and you're writing something start to go. first i started reading many books about format that i could find. and then i came to

a leaving the union field. there was nothing written about it and the general in the 2nd environment is always addressed, broke the logical sides. and i thought it was missing, kind of the exploration of the old form itself. and what about the parent guys? like you said, so long for me to see him and by the way, yes, in the book i mention this data about schumer's i, i quoted this very interesting research because it was a very long research. you started mapping 70 and they're willing wiring many dimensions or trying to be off to the present time. i know that other research is in a different countries in the west, but they said basically this one results. so it's not only the faults are actually

everywhere in western countries. there is this kind of a result like 9 man on 10 and maybe nowadays 767, we went over 10 years ago on consumer. so i don't see all the hawks ladies. disrespected many jokes about the temperament of the finish, nor the boy here in russia. you will show very elegantly how for one from an obscure, with the leading fascination to a mass. phenomenal in i think 50 years for starting with the lives ation in denmark . and them in the united states in the 1970s. and i was surprised to learn that the collapse of the soviet union be in the country where i was born. also didn't major contribution to the industry in what way? well, for developed for many, let's say for a 100 years, probably in

a very nice or style accessible by few people in the taking the western countries like you mentioned. it's only by the end of the sixties and the beginning of the seventy's born or production and distribution was allowed just by goals in some countries, starting with denmark in the us then from the many other countries. so my book is about mass form, so it's dedicated mostly to the last few years and especially dedicated to 24 men the sexual men. this is important to say the phenomenon to say why nowadays, so i tried to focus on what is still the mainstream for an hour. and during the 7 days, and the former was a kind of side, the industry to film industry. and actually there were unions in many countries and

after movies they were trying to structure their work as any other work. but when, so if you didn't call out there was a massive amounts of women. most of all girls and women, basically we need to do anything in order to earn some money, which of course, into the western world. so to say, and these change completely, the landscape industry because it went towards a more i'm not sure anybody with a camera would feel my i'm can use something and then the internet was mostly during the ninety's. so basically, these 2 factors together created a new landscape where all the unions and also the rules of the previous to see were swept away by using, you know, so yes, the coming from, especially you ukraine,

bell rose on the and russia actress. so to say change the land a role, but from what i heard you say in other engineers, it's not just about the nature of work and how actress is paid and how they are protected. but also about the style should have been the aim of the product itself, because i heard you say before that, back in the seventy's and eighty's, it was much more about mutual pleasure. but then that shifted towards a formal, violent and dominating kind of genre. do you attribute that to a cultural influx of, you know, women from performance of union or is it just the nature of time itself, or the nature of male sexuality that has changed over time? this is a very interesting question. well, i would say that the availability of women willing to do anything went

well together with the with the increasing you're going to be extreme mother was already present in the seventy's in ages, but it was more how regulated, especially in the seventy's since the previous decade. the 60. ready in the west would be changes social changes, there was feminist movements and movements. so in that moment the fact that was representing female sexuality as a joy, fool, and disconnected from procreation. as a pleasure for women, it was a new thing element in that moment. so it was already extreme doing the seventy's name is i mean we can find the extreme back them to but that was much different from the current former which is very much about using a woman for me. a pleasure. i wouldn't dare to say that there was

a cultural contribution from the side of the women. i think patriot was already there. and the idea that actually we could exploit all these women. we need to do anything just was your markets advantage. so now, one of the essential ideas in your book is that technological inventions, in your demonstrate, how important is a logical invention. i'm not natural, they don't just satisfy me, but they form and shave them some times, but pretty malicious. insidious motives. i wonder how do you, yourself try to maintain it's not an autonomy you've done some degree of knowing depending the on on those technological tools, forums and anything out. so this is a very wide interest in question. in

a way human beings have always be technology goes on the very 1st time when somebody created the container to bring the water from the river to the cavern, probably already baffles the technology coming mention something out of the nature . but definitely the last 100 years saw a dramatic change in our landscape to the point that technology according to the us that there was a lot in the book became the subject of history and actually premium we as human beings are only co historical to technology. so definitely will even if acknowledged a word that one is just one of the men technology, but all of this objects that surround us. and that is not only a tool in our hands and depends on how we use bad. this is, are kind of nice for our ordering to anders. he's claims that actually we should be worried about how technology use us, which is a reverse perspective,

where technology actually can change deeply our human, our emotions. and the way we are in the work. it's just a little that technology is the current word, so i don't think that we can, we can imagine a word without it. it's a very, very difficult processed balance. our relationship with technology with them at their knowledge. we're. i think that the starting point is to question seriously our technology, the landscape. and i, i mean, i try to do is even though the topic is much wider than or you mentioned that under the german industrial, a lot of our who in many ways was ahead of time for telling the dangers of being inflamed by technology so much so that his 2nd book of athletes was titled the app . ma'am, i know that you don't like judging moralizing in any way,

but do you think by and large, 40 years after the publication of this book we have come to don't be in for kind of being proven that people, not all of them, but by and large losing touch, not only with the free period in them or but also the bodies because when you look at both these fear this and disinvited in the same time as a change union of offices, a union without a union. yes, yes. you're right. yeah, i personally, i think the worthy side by now present i really wonder how he would have preceded the current internet words, for example,

and so on because many sections were based on radio g with greater amazing. he was 14, is really much more talking about the current. although he died i think he, agents so before maintenance. yeah, i do believe that she's in word is, is present in this moment. i know that there are many other seems there's that much more positive about ecology and they just say the normal developmental human consciousness. i'm going to. ready that to i am closer to this worries, so to say, and the responsibility to discuss their boss. i am worried that the war well interestingly that this by him being so much ahead of his time, he is not widely published in english. you know that, that is, you know, what we usually think of the western world as the,

and the driver of the 3rd and the 4th industrial revolution. and yet, that very few translations of his work that mostly on an amateur in nature. i wonder if that is just an unfortunate happenstance to you, or if you think it's that are a form of deliver, it will actually ostracizing. yeah, well as an analyst it's hard enough to see that those of me use regression later on this work easily to that. sure. but now will be finally published in english. i found out this year there is a big word. i think it's published in america about around this war works in general. it's some 500 pages books. so they have now finally translated into something and spoken to him. it's interesting because his 1st born was published, the end of the 2nd world war 248, i think. and the 2nd one,

the eighty's or 1988. and i could find a translation and it was already existing since the sixty's, but in the world. so to say, i mean, last year maybe august, so i see as a little bit of a regression because it was a very quick voice, especially for him. and he was also contemporary of young. and i think union ideas are also seeing a bit of a revival, so maybe it's a synchronistic when in a way that we're coming back to prominence anyway. do we have to take a very short break right now? we'll be back in just a few moments. they can for what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation,

let it be an arms. race is often very dramatic, development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully very critical time. time to sit down and talk with . mm welcome back to will support that ga, 3 article, a clinical psychologist from finland and author of law god assist a kaleidoscope on foreign georgia before the briefly touched one. this very central idea in your book as well as in the work of good there are,

there's that logical inventions. i'm not natural tools. they not only satisfy our needs, but also shape and foster them. and sometimes they even create our needs. and you provide a very interesting example of coca cola is something that for many people socially managed to hijack that basic need for 30 stand by claiming to satisfy it actually increases it. and i think that's a very common thing within the big food industry as well. as within the big pharma industry because they are very, a lot of very obnoxious images there. if you look at the most prevalent disease is metabolic dizziness right now, be diabetes dementia, a, b, c. many of them would be trace people are being hooked on certain foods, on certain habits. i think one is perhaps to be creating the same

dynamic and certain populations that could be very helpful to some very imagine the just some but in many people it also creates addiction. and i understand it's a very complex question. and then you don't like passing judgments, but where do you think we should start in terms of both assigning responsibility? because you know how budgets are something that we are all concerned about? it is the public good and also helping people develop a helpful and with a regionally respectful relationship with technology and new intervention. and the industries that produce them. yes. yeah. your questions are always very interesting for be they will require lots of time to, to reflect on the questions. well, i would say that taking the example corner, and the name of my book was to show different sides of it,

which is something that i didn't find in many books. i call the kaleidoscope via that every chapter should have been a color and all the colors together. they were for me to come to school so that the reader concern the book. so do say, and see maybe some configurations or others. i stuff from the by the way, she mean when phenomenon is a complex form is having the ability to see many colors and, and embrace this complexity is the 1st step we have to do before doing what you are asking. the same about technology. technology is a very complex topic and why is lots of reflections. and so to say deepening here many ask before we, we can decide something about what can we do in order not to be just

so you know, i thought it was me too many books or was the complexity. they were only focusing on some aspect, for example, addiction or logical perversion. but born is a very complex object that actually is just a good, simple, many other phenomena of our work. so what you asked the requires 1st of all to know much better and are so much deeper level, a job. and then we can try to understand what can we do about it. well, we can invite our years to get your book to reflect on it, but i can tell you from a personal perspective that one of the very simple but for some reason during high school id for me was that that, that me not just leave it in our bodies,

but we are the body and the desiring bodies demonstrates it in a, in a very interesting way. and there is actually, i think it's huge differences in perceiving yourself as living in the body and actually imagining yourself that same body. can you, can you speak about that a little bit? yes, this is, this is an important point to because point for example, and experience technology objects to a screen basically where nowadays or videos or features. how technology invites kind of splits with the bombing. because we look at some checks and performance and the only sentences that we are using in that moment are b sides and hearing because there is but actually sex as a real experience. as an important experience, it would be much more involving those like

a smell and most of all very interesting how, like you said before, lose or trying to work with the nation of opposite side or is a sexual thing. but actually it doesn't have anything to do with the sexual embodied experience because we're just sitting in front of the screen. there's nothing a physical there. there are some physical things. i mean, my only physical people, not just watch they, i think use the imagination sometimes there has to, i mean, there is not the an embodied experience with the people or shouts, but it's not the same thing as a real sexual support. can actually ask you about them because i think this is a fascinating question and sexuality is one of the sort of 5 basic things that's calling an identified. and i think more than others, it requires the presence of the other,

you know. yeah. and you unions like to talk about the the benefits of living and imagination, but is perhaps a downside to that, to a clinical psychologist. what are some of the dangers of living out too much of your sexuality in this imaginary reality? yes. oh yeah, this is also a very important topic to, i believe that the union, but all of the 2nd work, let's say it's very much leaning on the verbal side and we can to not to get too much attention to the body, but there are movements. so to say in the 2nd world that are trying to improve the body level much more and there are better. you just need a gross overs between for example, you theory and authentic movement or dance therapy and other things that more than body. so yeah, me,

there is always nice to disconnect from the physical and body experience. there is the need to keep a lot of these together like imagination, but also the, the body level. so important. just acknowledging the mindset discrete from the body experience in a way. and this is one example. i mean this is happening a lot that we can disconnect from the body. we can disconnect from the emotions. we can disconnect even from ethics because we just watch a video with our responsibility, what's going on and that maybe some violence video or something at the speaker that we wouldn't we would never doing the reality. but still we are enjoying something which is violent. so there's a lot of questions that are poor by the splittings, and definitely try to reconnect to body and mind of much more. also, in theory, i think there's

a huge for that in the wrong because if we look at the data, despite is very wide availability of the people around the developed world having less tax their having it's later in life. it's also less creative, not only because of their birth control, but also because of b precipitously falling pro comes in many of the man, if you step outside the point for a while, what do you think is happening with human sexuality in general? within this larger view of technology and the, the 4th industrial revolution that we're about to enter. yeah. well on one hand, there are many signs of crisis. like you were mentioning. only other i'm reading so many interesting books that are address and sexuality new ways and very interesting ways. i her mind a speech the authors female authors.

but i, i'm reading a lot of books about sexuality and couple relationship and already i'm already menu . let's say development. so in sex. so like you said in the beginning there are always some opposite phenomena happening at the same time. there is a crisis of the previous way, maybe sexuality, the patriarch rises, investing. also, the way to try to get has always be tended and hopefully you know, new elements that are starting to circulate. you will change the landscape in the future. so i hope that we will have all better sex and better relationship with them. yeah. well, and have a better relationship with reality, which i think is the goal of any psychological school, but especially in psychology, seen as one of the allowed reality to really real gone like

magic to me or more of those things that you have that were goddesses in the title, what do they have to do with base activity asked for and yeah, i know we have a very short time left to so i just try to make a huge about maybe, maybe the listen. i will be curious to see in the, in a more extensive way. and i had the idea that say, the hypotheses that a factor of fascination for form that should be found also outside the usual logical explanations is definitely fascinating for the majority of men and women around the world, including one other genders. and i believe that reducing everything to a g p 2 narrowing. so my hypothesis is that actually a corner,

it's possible to find some sheets to what are the heroes was connected to the sake of a big topic or you know, the year of the safer. there was a place, a place beyond the bad, a place or place of the got the base of the human being. so in a very strange way or somehow something has to do with the underserved shade. and i explain it in the book, but it's really along their topic now. and so the reason i say that the form that there is some hint to the secret that actually is fascinating because believe that the soccer eyes were a statement. that is dad can say that the secret has disappeared the same. but you know,

any union of what they have replied to you that what kind of a, whether he's called the not the, the guys are still present it. it's a matter of seeing and perceiving them and having a right relationship with them. today i have to leave it there. i wish i could have more time to discuss fascinating book, and i invite our readers to to get it. you have an advantage over reference. i think it's still available around the world on amazon. so to take a chance on that. thank you very much with possibility to talk. thank you. what you hope to hear again next week. all the fight. ah. with me.

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