bite and claimed the documents were kept safely alongside his car. i material next year corvette what were you thinking? the running them get a chance to speak on all of this card really soon, but as i said earlier this week, people in, by the way, my corvettes in the lock garage. okay. so it's not like you should not in the street, but anyway. yes, as well. as my corvette, as the president said, he takes classified information and materials seriously. and as we have said, we have cooperated from the moment. we informed the archives that a small number of documents were found and we will continue to cooperate. it's a 2nd set of classified documents found in biden's private residence. the previous batch was found at a bite in affiliated think tank in november and made public earlier this week. the discovery triggered a broader search with joe biden, claiming he didn't know what was inside the documents. republicans have drawn

comparisons with the ongoing investigation into donald trump and his a legit miss handling of classified material. but there's another angle to the story. edward snowden, former cia and national security agency contractor, suggested that no matter how many classified documents are found in the president's possession, the matter will be closed while whistleblowers always face serious consequences. worth noting that the president seems to have absconded with more classified documents than many whistleblowers for comparison reality winner was sentenced to 5 years for just one document. meanwhile, biden trump clinton portray us. these guys have dozens, hundreds, no jail. we spoke to talk show host steve miles berg, who was surprised. joe biden refused to ask what exactly was in the documents? what strikes me if i make these?

these documents that were found in the garage of president biden's residence in wilmington, delaware, that we just learned about today. we're actually found on december 20th. so when the president weighed in on monday about the 1st batch that was at the university of pennsylvania, no mention was made about another batch. and by the way, today we found out that there was a 3rd location also within the wilmington residence, one document. and the president claims true is spokespeople, and he said it, i don't know what's in them. i, my lawyers told me not to ask. what kind of sense is that make? if they're your lawyers, you have attorney client privilege. you're not going to ask what's in the documents . it's it's, it's just crazy stuff. that's her up on the hour's top stories up next. cam has an obvious nazi problem and as much as it is denied their clear celebration is that

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ah hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, former us secretary of state condo, lisa rice, and former secretary of defense. robert gates. never the smartest people in the room warned the time is not an ukraine side. they're actually right, but for the wrong reasons, they are perfectly happy to see the conflict in ukraine's continue. ah, cross stocking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is illegal in media analysts in del mar. we have scott ritter. he is a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector and in buffalo we cross the john co bullock. he is an analyst for issue insight or

a german cross hoc rules in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i will appreciate scott, let me go to you 1st year. i'm quoting candy and bob time is not on ukraine site. i think you and i would agree with that, but for very different reasons. go ahead though i look time isn't on the crate. so, you know, they, they had a good run the summer they, they, you know, it's, it's like a heroin addict getting some fresh hair when they got injected $100000000000.00 worth of western military and financial assistance. they had a high, but it's ended in there's no more drugs and so they're crashing. russia on the other hand, is spent the last 4 months rebuilding its military capability. they just restructured their command staff to support large scale, broad based military operations that are going to begin very soon. time isn't on the train side. russia is getting ready to deliver the hammer. west has nothing left to feed their ukrainian junky and it came said match. okay,

well let me go to you basically the same question here. i mean, after a $100000000000.00 plus and for at least most people in the west, it's a stalemate. i wouldn't agree with that assessment, but nonetheless, what is another $100000000000.00 going to do? i mean, you know, kind of lisa rights and robert gates, they essentially say keep funding this war towards what end. what does victory mean? what does the feed mean? who's the winner? who's the loser? go ahead. john in buffalo, you've asked for definitions of terms that are been elusive since the 24th of february of 2022. and they remain not only elusive, but they also are meaning different laid to different countries, different governments, different participants in what was a special military operation and what is now defined as a war. i disagree with with scott and in the following a, you know,

i am one of those camps that, that there needs to be dialogue because people keep dying and territory kids getting run over twice. however, the west is likely to continue to fund or even if it looks like there isn't much movement either way, there's likely to continue to be substantial funding. why, why would you do you think it's a good idea, i mean, took towards what and it's will the that and, and again, the, the definition of, of event and i'm sorry to keep, you know, giving these young that they're allusive definitions. but i'm for countries, some countries outside of ukraine, some members of nato. they do believe that the end means the territorial borders of ukraine as they existed. 1991 for other nato members. they're fine with

the borders as they were on the 22nd birth. sorry, the 23rd of february of 2022. there isn't unanimity. just like there isn't unanimity with respect to the european union and how it looks at ukraine. but the, what we have in ukraine is now become a very, very big business. only when we're is, well, we can agree on that. and i would say that that's one of the reasons why condo, lisa rice and robert gates wants us to go along because of their connections with the the arms per manufacturer is it's really good business at the expense of america's great friend, the ukranian. so it's really quite sickening here. let me go to lionel in new york . you know, line apparently a member of congress wants to erect a bust of zalinski in the house of representatives. how do you feel about that?

i can't say because this is a family show me i you say of the right now i want to imagine a thought experiment. we're going to the future 25 years from now. i hope we're still here and somebody asks me to explain the russian ukrainian military operation . why did it happen? who was behind it? what was the information? and i happen to have a list of all of these leftist, crazy, prudent apologist. who came out basically asking whether this was a wise thing to do. william burns connelly's or right? bob gate, barry posen, posting in foreign affairs, henry kissinger. john mearsheimer, the great jonathan paul, noam chomsky. mister ritter, whom i respect the late stephen cohen, colonel douglas mcgregor and, and the grandaddy of m. all george kennan,

the expert, the author of containment, everybody since day one said, what are you doing, you know, line on your line or i'm sorry you could have put me on the list because i but i would, i was saying it months before it happened that this is what we were going to get that in on, you know, and with the wisdom of youtube, just took it all down. so there is historical record that actually senate, okay. he bought it without go, he goes to that, see? but, but here's what i'm saying. i'm looking at this just as a, almost as a doctor looks at a patient. i'm looking at the pathology report to the laboratory. what are we talking about? and by the way, i gotta tell you this in here in my country, more people know about the various iterations of star wars galactic unions than they do nato. and fact when i, i have this with me. i know it sounds corny, but when any of my friends talks about this, is it here point to ukraine roughly and you see this okay, for my other guess,

lionel is holding a very small globe. okay, asking where ukraine is. ok. so that's a very good point. scott, let me go back to you. i'll go back to what the, the infinite wisdom of rice and gates here. they also say, no ukraine's economy is in shambles, and the country is entirely reliant on foreign aid. i interpret that as you break it, you own it. go ahead. scott: well, i mean that, that, that could be, let me, let me, let me put junk or to what the john, it said earlier about definitions and search um, well, with all due respect, european united states no longer participate in the lexicon of european conflict. they think they can by providing money, weapons and such, but um, russia will not negotiate the west to india, so the west has lost all credibility after what? okay, right. scott, the, explain that a for our viewers or viewers it give us that what would happen? we could start with polish anchor, then we can go to merkel. then we go to holland,

if you could. well, you know, i'll put a ball on that because it's very important. go ahead is simply simply put, the minsk accords, which were implementer were, were o entered into 2014 minutes to 2015 a were supposed to create a ceasefire. and a set of conditions which would have the dumbass remain within ukrainian turturro sovereignty in exchange for changes in the training constitution that would provide a level of cultural, linguistic autonomy to the ethnic russians. um, if for 8 years there was no movement on it, and people always say, well, why not? there was a narrative that was russia's fault. we now know thanks to course ankle for repressive ukraine. merkel. the former chancellor ali, the former french president, all 3 who were involved in the craft in the meant that it was never meant to be implemented. it was a sham by time for the ukrainians to re arm with the assistance of nato. for the purpose of engaging in armed conflict with russia. so russia will no longer

negotiate these people, anybody who thinks otherwise is following themselves. and so, if the goal of the west is to continue to fund this conflict, in hopes that ukraine can somehow drive russia to negotiating table, that will never happen. russia is going to win this war regardless. so there is only one outcome that is a russian victory. and frankly speaking, $200000000000.00 of western aid is not going to be sufficient. because as john alluded to, the west is not of one mind. in fact, the longer this conflict goes on, the further fractured the west, becomes regarding ukraine, where russia, there's any jump in here and go to john here. i mean, i mean, i slightly disagree with you and john, actually on that point i think europe is completely irrelevant. i, who cares what the europeans ob, it's a washington certainly doesn't care. i mean, if there's going to be a negotiated end of this conflict, it's going to be moscow in washington, and that's exactly how washington wants to john your reaction. the end, you know,

as this conflict as this war has a trajectory, and i do believe men disagree with scott. there will be a negotiation. you will see zalinski and president fulton, president soleski in a room. i seriously doubt that i well, a jealous lie on an under ukrainian and i'm sorry, but under ukrainian law, president zalinski is not allowed to negotiate with the russian president with keep our fax great. okay, go ahead. this has nothing to do with what's in the wall, what's isn't the law. i'm saying that in order for this to and i do expect at some point, those 2 individuals will be in a room likely in ankara, likely at the invitation request of prisoner to one of turkey. and what scott is saying has said with respect to the past is absolutely right, but the russian federation and got the gun. ukraine

are both going to be in a position where neither can do whatever they want. they all have limitations in the western was to talk about no blank chapman for your brain or for anything. and that is true. there isn't unlimited resources. all governments have to make decisions. and at some point, and i think it's probably, you know, probably by the end of this year, there will be an effort to bring this to some sort of so, so that doesn't mean away. when i look i'm, i'm, i'm, i, i, i let you, i'll actually, i'll let you finish in the 2nd half of the program. i have to finish the, we're going to a hard break. ok. ok. i would greatly with it was i will go back to i promise, but i do think that the, the conditions that you're talking about will be conditions of surrender of one side to the other. that's the only time those 2 guys will meet gentlemen. i'm going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on crayton state with our

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well it shows seemed wrong when old fools just don't hold any world yet to shape out. disdain becomes the african and engagement equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, welcome back to cross hock, where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle, to remind you we're discussing ukraine. ah. okay, go back to john in buffalo at the end of the 1st part of the program or you said that it will be negotiated and an i interject that i said, yes, there will be what there will be a surrender. you would like to react to that, go right ahead. the end of this conflict, this war is going to be based upon who's prepared to suffer most. okay,

so i don't believe that one is and they're going to be semantics, diplomatic semantics not as terms of surrender. but in the end, this is going to have a cessation, whether it's temporary or permanent. well, by the basis of a discussion, it's regardless of what it was around the books or, or anything else that because neither side can continue this in perpetuity. well, we'll, we'll see, we'll see about that. but until i do agree we're concerned, i do agree with you on the point that the if it's not resolved correctly in the immediate future, it will have it. this will be with us for a very long time line will let me go to you in new york. i mean, you know, i, when lensky went to the joint session of congress, you know,

i call the peak lensky. i mean, how long is this guy going to have his run with show business and vanity fair and all of that? ok. when there are so many other problems that americans are dealing with. and you know, if you look at the nature of the regime and you can, there's no democracy opposition. parties are banned. there is no freedom of speech . now the orthodox church is being persecuted very much like during the soviet era . i would like to point out to our viewers here. so line, and i mean, what's the flavor of the month is lensky still it for now? until the media and entertainment folks decide it's, it's back to prince harry or megan mark or whatever. but i must ask of a very simple and naive question. what exactly has changed now? that was not known initially. why are people asking questions now like, how do you think we're going to wrap this up? do you think maybe concessions? will ukraine be neutral or rum state? do you think data when you know why? what happened other than just people the becoming a rep? you tired of this?

needless death. i don't understand what's happened. people act now as though there has been some tremendous transitory change this evolution into something when in fact, everything this started initially is still the way. now i'm going to go back to what i said. as far as my perspective here. this is a, this is a movie line, this is a, this is a, a character, this is a hero, and this is not in any way man to degrade mr. zalinski. i'm telling you, he is a media creation here, and nobody knows anything. they can't find ukraine on a map. let me also say something very quickly. in 1962 in the united states, 90 miles from florida was a place called cuba. and the world was about to go to world war 3 over missiles, which basically was about turkey, but doesn't matter. we have the monroe doctrine. we understand specifically the idea of, of territorial compromise and territorial encroachment. so why this is difficult

for people here to understand at least the issues i will never know, sir? well, i don't think one of the things i've noticed from my far away perches are trying to break frame. this is like a world war, 2 good guy, bad guy thing. and it, there, there's, there's this very, it's not new on it is a, it's mannequin on, provoked, well, i mean, there's a lot of history prior to the beginning of the conflict which limit the mainstream media is not interested in scott, it's, and i want to bring up issue and i have talked about numerous times and is something that john leed alluded to. is that when this complet comes to an end, the russians are going to make sure it's not going to happen for our very, very long time. not 2 years, not 5 years, not 10 years, it's going to be a lot more permanent than that. go ahead. scott. no, absolutely. that's why there would be no negotiated settlement because a negotiated settlement implies compromised. there is no compromised. chance for

compromise was back in april when russia was sitting down with ukrainians in you. in istanbul, but force johnson intervene on behalf of nato to shut it down because nato thought a wrongly, that russia was. we can, that russia couldn't sustain this, injected billions of dollars in an effort to pump ukraine up. that has run its course of the final elements of the 300000, are completing their training there soon to be point rushes restructured at staff or large scale warfare rushes restructured its defense. industry rushes economy is not suffering. the notion that somehow ukraine can suffer more is ludicrous. the economy is already dead more, but it's given. it's on life support with american money. but as congolese rice and mr. gates have alluded to, you remove that money. the training economy dives of general armageddon, serv. i team is being put in charge of a future air campaign that will destroy ukraine as

a modern nation state. understand this, the russians made it clear beats the opening condition still quite demilitarization . denazi's vacation demilitarization is about to occur. the destruction of the training armed forces. d notification occurs with the death of zalinski government, now will hat with the hands of a aerial campaign sustain strategic in nature that will destroy ukraine, is a modern nation state. there will be no negotiated it. i don't know how many times i have to emphasize this in the end, there will be a tokyo bay type solution. september 945. the u. s. s. missouri or the russians will come up with something equivalent and a defeated ukraine will crawl and be compelled to sign a document of unconditional surrender. this is how it ends up because russia wanted it did this way because natal forced russia to seek this kind of solution. and i did john in the how much more do you think the made the west? well, as the late because, you know, they have depleted their stalks of weapons so they have to start making new ones,

making new ones is very takes a lot of time. these are very sophisticated systems training people up here. meanwhile, the campaign is raging on the battlefield. here, i mean unfortunately the, there's only one really big important, high cards. the west can play and you know what that is, new killer weapons. because when you have condi rice and bob gates saying, you know, we cannot afford to lose this. they are escalating this, they are escalating and they're threatening to escalate. this is the foreign policy blob speaking john, your thoughts begin by referencing with scott talking about september my my birthday september the 2nd. so that actually aligns with what happened on the missouri. you know, i, i disagree with them with respect to the end, the, the likelihood of negotiations, nuclear weapons, this is not going to be a nuclear conflict, never, never was going to be on. regardless of who says what,

in terms of the wes continued capacity to deliver the product to ukraine, they're going to do so you know, i would like to share, you know, i have somewhat of unique perspective here. and that is, i began my international work career in what was the us our prior to president gorbachev taking power. and i was in car chief ukraine on the 24th of february. and i've been back since, and i've been to the russian federation and i've been to b l a roots and i've been to turkey a odd. so having a, an ability to look at the consequences, commercially, economically, politically, militarily of what this conflict, what this war has be got with respect to other countries, whether it's frontline, nato countries, frontline,

non nato countries or other countries and within ukraine. i disagree with scott in terms of the ukrainian economy. you know, collapsing. well, i mean, what was i thought you might just jot it way down. you have gone to lisa rice and robert gates. i'll quote, the ukranian economy is in shambles, and the country is entire reliant on foreign aid. okay. and they are partially correct. there is and there remains a private sector in ukraine and i'm not, so i'm, i'm not, you know, i'm sorry. are you talking about the, are you talking about the black market? because that's basically what they have. no, i'm not talking about the black market and, and that's just a, that just stay but not based on reality. you still have people there that or engaged in trying to do what they were doing prior to february 24,

2022. and these are young people, as well as older people. but it's important to remember that in both countries, russian federation and ukraine. you've got young people who are questioning what's happening. the russian economy is heard the name. okay. all right now. okay. okay. now you talked about, you talked about your personal travels, that's pride and personal experience can enlighten you. i live here. so lie, you know, let me tell you something. let me tell you something here. sanctions, if the average russian to be, that person did not pay attention to the news, they wouldn't have any idea this country was sanctioned at all. ok. that's how much the sanctions are hurting there. as a matter of fact, important substitution is on steroids right now, which is something i've been saying for the entire quarter century. i've lived in this country, do not rely upon the west. there are toxic, there they lie, they receive, then they cheat. go ahead, lionel. go ahead. well,

what you said, which is the most important. and that is that, how is it that anybody is going to understand what is going on? you know, i'm a child of the vietnam era. i'm a child of the sixties and i remember pacifically made, it was so clear, it was so clear that hokey man was a bad guy. this was about the domino effect. and now after the fact, we are still trying to decipher what happened now, we'll still trying to figure out the civil war. what i don't understand is, and this is the worst part. if there's one lesson that the world should know was that you cannot conduct warfare anywhere. when you have huge swash of humanity cut off from reality, you have to lead everybody talk. these gentlemen go add it, no matter the platform, then only then can the world understand what's going on. there are videos i've seen of this. what sanction type of theme with people prospering?

this completely defeats the idea yet. you want to talk about propaganda. you look at some of the western stuff you were say, western american media. and i'm thinking, where, what planet are they talking about? and here's the best part, because you mentioned before, is boris and natasha. this russo full the kremlin, waiting, boris. and natasha. nonsense. this, that this post cold war attitude, people jump into this immediately saying, if it's russia, it's gotta be bad. it's that simplest that tells you how powerful the propaganda is . gentlemen, that's all the time we've had. fascinating discussion, difference of opinion, which is very much welcome on this program. i want to thank my guess in buffalo del mar and in new york. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here to see you next time. remember

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