it's all legit fun with huh. a with reports of bloss disruptions and infrastructure across ukrainian cities, including the country capital, t of on the high end, $170.00 civilians are taken to safety from the town of solar, dine. the don units were public comfort come from the full control of the russian military. we hear from some of the evacuation, who, se ukrainian troops prevented them from escape. with the print and armed forces used as a human shield, life was unbearable. it was very scary. the ukrainian forces were shooting

constantly, our house alone was shout 7 times with russia pushing for a peaceful solution to the ukraine, conflicts, but wounds is prepared to maintain its military efforts unless he is on his western patrons agree to talk peace. we speak with russia, deputy un envoy later this out with a very well welcome to you from all of our team here in moscow. this is on the international with the latest world news update is great to happy. where does this our, our top story explosions, power outages on civil defense alerts have been reported in several cities across ukraine, including the cap is okay. of, of corresponded ramon calls or how's the details of the latest developments you crate in officials and local media report that they were at least $100.00 rock has fired against its territory. now,

several of the countries regions declared emergency mayor of key of a former box or vitale college got confirmed that there were indeed explosions and give emergency electricity. blackouts were declared in the capital as well as 7 other regions in ukraine footage in social media and ukraine. also shows a partially destroyed residential building in their proper troughs, ukrainian officials who were quick to blame russia for the destruction of the building. while the russian defense ministry are yet to comment on saturdays events . however, russian military officials have faded time and again that civilians are never. the tsar gets of a rush and strikes and also they have stated numerous times that ukrainian air defense has been very ineffective given examples how their missile defense rockets have already ended up in civilians, homes in ukraine and even in neighboring countries as well when one of the ukrainian rockets killed suit farmers in poland. now we're still waiting on the

statement from the russian defense ministry. as of this story unfold. on friday, the russian defense ministry confounded had taken full control of solid r and the donates were public paving the way to the near by strategic city of archer marks which you crank or was at back loots. according to gun yes. for public officials, a 170 civilians happily ready been evacuated from florida. the women at children and elderly had been provided with food, a shelter and medical aid. some of them told us they were used as human shields by the ukrainian military level of israel. and he could only mean that then they started having fun shooting at houses. 2 houses were facing each other and they were trying to figure out who could hit the facade. we have done bass written on our foreheads in blood. alas, no, we are the enemy to them. we will be strangers there all our lives. so we need your money, but what is the ukraine? an armed forces used as human shields,

life was unbearable because we haven't left our basements at all since last winter . ukrainian fighter settled next to his deck. trenches in front of residential buildings constantly asked questions about why we stayed at old us. so you're waiting. you're sending gordon us to the russians. luc last there's and is shelling today where they leave, for example, will just throw a grenade to you because it will mean you gave us away. oh, that it was very scary. the ukrainian forces were shooting constantly. our house alone was shout 7 times. it was completely destroyed when we left. it was already bending down. this is my husband. he was shot by ukrainian for to write in our house for no reason. my husband shouted that he was a civilian, asked them, what are you doing? and the grinning fight to just run away without provides an anyhow. but i can understand why they treat us like this. you, i really don't know. you love, you really couldn't live the basement for a month and a half. they just kept shooting at us. it was terrifying. if you really, russia has reiterated his push for

a peaceful solution to the ukraine conflicts. but as warned that is prepared to continue military operations. unless kevin is western bacchus agree to negotiate on moscow's tons, that comes from the countries envoy to the un speaking it delays his security council meeting with more details, his unties kind of morgan. well, at the un security council hour, we heard different members of the un security council speak regarding the situation in ukraine. now we specifically heard 1st from the united states, they were the 1st prominent member of the un security council to speak. and when they spoke, they did what they've been doing for the past several years, unloaded a huge amount of unproven allegations against russia using russia all kinds of crimes. and then from there, they proceeded to lol out iran and the democratic people's republic of korea for allegedly helping russia in ukraine. and from there we heard from other members of the un security council. now when china took to the floor of the security council,

they pointed out that the ongoing situation where the western countries continue to poor loads of weapons into kia and prolong the conflict is leading to a security crisis throughout the region will ensure some view to escalate and sanctions are providing weapons full only make it difficult to turn the situation around and even to provoke large scale confrontation thus exhaustive aiden and prolong, in the conflict which must be avoided at all costs. we also later heard from the russian ambassador ben z. a took to the floor and he took the moment on the opportunity to really just kind of lay out the reputation of what's being said there. he pointed out that in reality, this is a conflict that's been going on for 8 years for 8 years. the shelling of civilians in don boss was taking place. we now know that the minsk agreement was not taken seriously by the western countries. it was simply seen as a,

a way of buying time and idling weapons into ukraine to prepare for provoking of wider conflict. the russian ambassador took to the floor and simply called out what he was hearing lenses, the hon. grading to was the meetings on ukraine convened by our former western partners, or more like a puck receive fare. moreover, the hypocrisy of representatives of the collective west and the key regime takes on bizarre forms here, for example, our ukranian neighbors, who recently were almost talking about preparing to attack moscow and now running around with the idea of a peace summit. it is clear that this is primarily an attempt to please the western public, and we're asking increasingly uncomfortable questions about where all the money allocated to kiev is going to need pointed out that these are these calls for some kind of peace dammit from the ukrainians. are not, it's not legitimate, they're not on it, they're not, they're not putting forward

a serious proposal could actually lead to an agreement to add the conflict. they are simply, they are simply doing this the adequately to answer a number of questions and responding to the growing amount of public disgust with the conflict happening, not just in the united states, but another western countries. now it's important to note the russian ambassador matching the next un security council meeting is scheduled for to day of the following week. next tuesday, there will be a meeting i, russia will be raising some very important issues. they're trying to point out many aspects of the ongoing conflict that western media and mainstream media has just chosen to obscure and nor russia has also requested another un security council meeting to discuss caves, ongoing persecution, of the political opposition and the orthodox church in ukraine. or we can discuss all of this now with a guesstimate re pollyanna sky, russia supposed deputy permanent representative to the un money. thanks for joining us on the program. we understand how busy was we really appreciate your time today

now. it's been almost 11 months since i rush launch. did special operation in ukraine. how, how's the attitude towards the conflicts in ukraine developed and international diplomatic circles recently? has it changed or hasn't mostly remain the same in your opinion? hello. in my opinion, i think it has changed a lot because now we, we feel that there is a lot of fatigue about to bring in topic. most of the countries they don't understand what's the way the best way to proceed. there are more and more requests for peaceful efforts for ending this peacefully. but actually there is a different sense that different sides including into this formula. ready so as you rightly said, i was listening for the previous speaker that the graham formerly is very shallow. it's, as we pointed out yesterday during the school council meeting, its implies the consolation of russia, the defeat of russia,

the piece ukrainian weight. and of course, it ignores the causes of the conflict that's less than you bench also highlighted yesterday in security council. and this is an important part of the equation that can't be ignored when we speak about possible diplomatic ways to solve the conflict and more and more countries. now understand this, of course, there is a group of our former western partners with both of them, and they are very stubborn that they understand that they have to proceeds and teach this month about rushes, folds, rushes, aggression, litigation, so cetera. but there are more and more countries that understand that this is a multi dimensional crisis that dates back least 8 years or 9 years ago. and this whole thing should be tied to the recently announced that russia was arranged to, to un security council meetings regarding ukraine for next week. but you said you wanted to keep the specifics of the secret from the other delegations for now. all

that any more details about those meetings you could share with us at the moment. at the moment when i was writing this in my telegram channel, there was indeed a city for some kind of secrecy but yesterday and gave the details that we wanted to hold a meeting on tuesday afternoon. new york time to be around to 11 pm. moscow time about the trends, very boring threats in ukraine that are in our mind. threatening international peace and security. and this is about the dictatorship of zalinski being reinforced at that on their position, prosecution, and persecution. all of those will seem in another way of dissidence. and also of course the attacks against russian orthodox church in ukraine, which is really very, very boring situation, potentially. it can lead to big problems. so we want to discuss it with our

security council colleagues. and we want to present to them the information that they lack to understand the seriousness of this, of this matter. and then also you mentioned, and also you mentioned the 2nd meeting sort of thing to jump in. it's the aria formula meeting. it's an informal meeting of security council, but still meeting security council would blend it next friday in the morning. and it will be an opportunity for us to bring in the people from, from don bass, residents of the bus, as well as international journalists who visited don, bye sense or with their own eyes. what was going on. ready there for 8 years and with specific exce excellent on recent strikes recently, gradient strikes that were very severe districts in december last year. all ended. so i suppose highlighting and opening people's eyes to the realities on the ground when the care is taken for the steps to persecute the ukrainian orthodox church as

well as political opposition parties. and yet the government is still being portrayed as it passed the in a freedom by most western media and politicians. why do you think that turning a blind eye to these under mccray? i think move spike yes. well, we can remember when one president saw us presidents with about jesus. i'm also that maybe he's a son. that would be what he's our son. that would be so the last case of course, the same person as these kind and they have to really ignore what he's doing. and they have given a long time ago, the blank check to bring in the regime to key for g, for any crimes that they are doing. and they are ready to close their eyes as long as your grain is performing as a tool for them to undermine the rational, even to cancel the russia about the course. these are, these are futile attempts and more and more people, including here in the u. n. coming to realize this, there is

a mainstream opinion in the west. ukraine is actually fighting for global democracy and that the conflict is part of a global struggle between democracies and authoritarian regimes. what are your thoughts on this patrol? i think that's pathetic franklin's we you know, this theory long time ago. this is miss miss janet. i would say what's in the u. s. and the western lights that they are bringing freedom and democracy and that's the u. s. a kind of world policeman who is interfering with different kinds of conflicts, but nobody is welcoming yes and nobody has given any mandates of the yes for the says well for the western countries. so ukraine is now being what's right as these kind of messenger messenger of the some freedom on the contrast with all of a critic, russia, i would say this is a very sexy picture that they want to promote in the west here in the us. in particular, but i think that there are more and more failures in promoting this picture. and

largely because of the fact that more and more people start to realize what kind of dictators, lensky is indeed. and what kind of processes are happening in ukraine. and these are not processes that started after the beginning of our special meals operation. these are the processes that were deep rooted in the policies of ukrainian regime for many years, at least 448. yes. so this is a consequence of what the west has been really promoting. and you, great, in from the outset, i speaking on friday, russia, he went on past the said that the situation you trained could have gone very differently if you can't comply with the means agreement. so what exactly preventive you claim from doing that. as we know now exactly the fact that the western countries and the guarantors of the agreements, france and germany, they were not intending to seek the implementation of mister green as from you praying from the outset. as they said it blindly counsel america and present

a land acknowledged that this was the reality. this is, of course, very eye opening and a thrust breaking situation. of course, in such a circumstance, this, when the standards, all these statements from a residence or a shank on later presidency landscape where not a sudden they were premeditated. and they reflected the understanding that they had with their western countries. that in fact, great, had to imitate the process. it didn't have to seriously engage in the implementation of means. agreements as was foreseen by a security council resolution 2202. so there were breaching these resolution knowingly. they were kind of being leap service to all these things and they were trying to convince the international community that that is russia who is not implementing agreements, which is ridiculous because russia is not part of these agreements. so we had a good chance. we really think that if means agreements were implemented,

all these things have been avoided, that we are now in, but we have what we have and we are what we are. and of course the situation has gone much further than one year ago. well, in the past months we've actually seen some western politicians openly admit the means get processed with many a ploy to buy time to on and prepare ukraine for a conflict with russia. so how is mostly supposed to take any future international peace efforts? seriously, when p as and it's western bankers have such a poor record of sticking to their pledges. i think the way you will just of course they said this undermines so very seriously, the trusts we have virtually no thrust. even in the west right now, you should add to this picture. also, the futile promise is made by the west of that nature will not expand east towards that were given to us in the 90s, to soviet leadership, to russia, be the ship. we all understand now that this was also floyd. so

a combination of these makes of the west, i think the least trust towards the person in the planets. so we have to take it to consider into consideration and we have to, to draw lessons from what was before. so that's the only house or i can give to this question one of your previous into the latest revelations, by angle american francois, along created a lack of trust, which is the biggest hurdle in the relationship between moscow in the west. no trust is certainly something that's all to really to lose, but incredibly hard to build back up. so what do you think can possibly change that situated situation? how can we meant these ties? well course, we need to see that the west has really understood the mistakes of its policies. we need to see the real change of attitude towards support sophie grain energy. because what they are doing there is absolutely giving leg check to all the crimes

against humanity against the population of ukraine, against russia, speaking population, the, all these kinds of discrimination against structural speaking population and now the, the rational. so dr. trisha as well. we also need to, to understand that there is a genuine change of attitude towards negotiations with russia. that's we proposed i think, one year ago, or even more than one year ago and the principles of security in europe. and this should be a very serious and deep process without any superstitious attempts to use russia of all the evils and to present russia as really somebody who is a troublemaker for the international community. if the change there is a change, i think there are chances that will be changing in good faith again. and i think this will be a very good scenario for, for the whole world. but frankly, we're very far from, from the smart home office trust that russia is seeking,

seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict. so what's your personal assessment of the likelihood of that scenario at this stage? well, as i said, a previous question, i think we're very far from this. we can't, we don't lose hope. we see that a lot of people in the west including western diplomats are really thinking very seriously about about. ready doing lessons from, from the, from the past. but there are no practical steps in these direction. and always, all that we hear at political level is these religion rhetoric and was wondering, so i don't think that we have any reasons to be very optimistic. optimistic of the station ukraine has demanded the exclusion of russia from the un security council image. the ongoing crisis will have rushes actions being the focus on such attention, not the actions of other member states over the years like the u. s. for example, during all of a similar terry interventions around the world,

which would never approved by the un. i don't think we compare ourselves with a yes, with somebody else. we are, we are russians. we come from russia and russia can compete particular states. and there is no need for such a comparison that they did this and they were doing this. and this is why we are equal, we think that any violations of international law should become them, and there should be consequences for the sense that was in our letter. when we started the special means reparation, we split the reasons why we had to do so. so all these ukrainians initiative, so i think they're so ridiculous that they are being ignored and i haven't had that would have all this. frankly, mr. future counsel well, legally was laughable. and i think that's, that's really political crusade of several you bring in the most of the, of these personal proceedings and that's, and that's right. they are trying to,

to pursue this line of action. but everybody's just wondering how ridiculous it is . ok of faith wants to hold a piece some it's but without russia, how can one part of the conflicts possibly be excluded from peace talks? well, i think these efforts may be being deployed in the same line as previously. there were some, it's on democracy, on whatever coalition of the willing. so it's fragmentation of international communities. so delete contrary what multilateralism is and all these discussions about this time. it's are of course, very propagandists and give wants to show that she enjoys large or overwhelming supports over on the international arena, which is not the case. of course, especially today. as i told you, a lot of people are really starting to thinking to think about about the root causes of this problem. and so the, you know,

have different objects to what give us. so of course, these pushes green leadership to invent different types of propaganda formulas or, or shallow initiatives like these sam, it's, we don't understand the details, nobody understands the details. because in order to conduct the summits in the us, you need to have the decision of the general assembly, which has certain budgets implications. we should we decide it's in general assembly. if you want to hold a meeting on the sidelines of the un or somewhere else and all, it's some, it's a label to some, it's, well, you're not for them to do. so what you shouldn't really engage and wishful thinking . and probably the summit is, is absolutely different, different exercise. well, the ukrainian foreign ministry has said that russia will only be invited to the pe some it if it faces a war, crimes tribunal 1st, most strongly which act to this proposal. how do you see the situation developing

from here? well again, there were these very obscure and opaque ukrainian statements about the fact that they want to hold the summit. as far as we understand these boils down to the meeting, the regular meeting of mission session on the, on the new green which was, which was triggered last year, meeting of the security council, what they happen frequently, once or twice every month. so the combination of these 2 doesn't give you results of a summit. but again, i don't want to really speculate on these because we don't know the detail. nobody knows the details here in the wild green is a very inventive people. let's see what, what kind of things they will, they will think and think of these things. i found that you've said before that imagining a pe summit without ukraine is very easy. what exactly did you mean by that?

well, i mean that if you grade continuous in the same vein, if you bring in leadership, doesn't think about its own people. if it's x as a proxy of nato and, and as a as invest in advance to said that yesterday, security council is a private military company sponsored by the west. the consequences can be very dire for, for the ukraine as a states. as was we said repeatedly there isn't, there is never any of our special needs reparation to destroy ukraine, to before my recertification of ukraine. we just want to get rid of the threats of the threats from ukraine that is in danger. in russia, we want to stop the shelling. so for don bus that we're continuing for for 8 years and the streets, but if it's continuous like this, of course, this thing so very high and nobody knows. so i will answer for you green. at the answer, i don't want to get into the detail, but i think you understand what kind of scenarios it's going to imply for keys.

when it comes to a special tribunal for russia suggested by ukraine. what's your understanding an assessment of the west and vision of this potential process? well, i haven't heard anything practical in this regard and understand why. because any initiatives like these in the general assembly would be absolutely legally boyd's. because general assembly doesn't have these kind of authority to establish these kind of thing. this is a popular idea of. ready lodging, the west, it is being exploded for populist and political reasons, but i don't see any, any practical substance in it other than me. serious, serious legal people laugh and shrugged his shoulders. but otherwise, i think these are still very weak and more of political nature than of legal. and

what do you make of the un secretary general statements regarding his readiness to take personal action to help resolve the conflict? a he always mentions that he is ready provided suppose projects asking for this. he made a good job in the, in the green deal. and in the lexia initiative, on the one hand, promote its export to fuel green. on the other hand, export of fertilizers for products from russia. they're a big reserves in terms of the russian part of the d u. but still we see that secretary journalist quiet after going a lot of efforts. ready so i think he's me, he's having in mind something of these sorts. but again, it takes 2 to tango. if we understand the, we as a, bring in logic, so pieces only capital ation of russia. and of course, this is not something that could be a basis for any kind of negotiation. as we said yesterday in security council,

there was a moment in march when you great, and unfortunately withdrew its own proposal on the piece deal, which we were ready to discuss. because ukraine was convinced by several western countries that it is capable of defeating russia with a helper for western weapons. i think that was a very fatal mistake. and this was a turning point in the scene. now ukrainians, not over pos, pass the schemes issue. we issue, which implies that russia will be defeated than russia will, will be condemned and so on and so forth. this is, of course, a nonstarter for any negotiations, and i don't see any reasons any, any, any real circumstances for negotiations right now, given the situation that i described to meet your polanski, russia 1st deputy permanent representative to the you and many thanks for your time . i really appreciate your time today. thank you. thank you very much.

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