for me, this prison is with me and to more like, always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if you give an opportunity. mm. ah, everybody's watching everything they do. everywhere they go everywhere they gather, they have to really, really, really b up or to make this happen. they have to worry about be putting the whole they have to worry about being moved to another prison, depending on how hard they pushed. they don't wanna be too vocal because they don't want to be signaled out as a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn . they can move them at any time. they could be take, you know,

just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. mm. i'm pretty sure they still doubt enough all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can argue that cameras in every classroom, by soon as we got a classroom camera start coming up with them because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening, but that's good. not only put a camera in here, you can come and sit in our classroom and you can learn to with maturity, you think passively tooth, once intelligence without the guidance of another. look at his convenience that no one, not even a monarch permit, can impede enlightenment of the public eye. okay. okay. i, i thought it was on the difficult read. oh, i thought it was

a korea. i mean that's what i graph of from it. you know, i'm not enough. i'm right or wrong. this is my so and it's not about right or wrong about interpretation. no one can say of your interpretation is one. we don't have a manual can here to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars will try to explain to you what somebody lived 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because there's a lot of people here who are under idea that you are kind of exceeded our boundaries as prisoners and somebody is lying to you. if somebody is, ah, i'm always been so scared about how i've looked on paper

the death of corey, how him being a young college kid and me being just, you know, some hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become or mine managed that's something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody was really ever give me a chance. ah, washington state does not have pool, wiping up a role in the early ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant sensors. in other words, i'm going to send you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced, doesn't matter what you do in prison. that's your sense. washington, it has started to figure out that system is not very jobs that it doesn't work. and so they've started to bring port back, actually brought girl back for sex offences,

and the other group is juvenile. if commodity had committed the crime, $61.00 days earlier, 2 months passed his 18th birthday. he would have been a juvenile. can he be eligible for parole? today, problem with punishment, the problem with setting a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time of the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years. ah, it was never really something that i was intending to have while i just got curious i because there was a lot of people who actually going home to crunch the 1st thing i did is i kind of started writing letters system attorneys. busy about what was the possibilities within a week, you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call he said that doing my clinic, it will be something that he will be willing to do. ready today we filed

a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodity sense, asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go. the different family members that have been to prison and seen him even some that went and spoke with him. different people were telling me he's changing. he's trying to be a better person, but they play wasn't ready to accept that. oh i had thought about reaching out to him, start to write them and then i throw it away. i did. it's probably maybe 6 or 7

times. and then i just said, okay, forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, kimani send me a message. i read it, i read it a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old. and she always instilled in as a spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his message that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago. i didn't, i'm not gonna forget what happened. and so, but i forgave you. as i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive you said not

only in my for giving you for what you did. i have to forgive you to allow myself to lavon and to heal. ooh, while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the tools to be a mother. she grew out in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was in lavin. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love or she didn't have. she didn't know how. and so, and, and angry drug addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter to death. and i'll always miss the naya, that i would be 23 years old. now, i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know,

because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in lithia fighting for this deal. i mean i was a mother trying to fight for her son and i for people to get out of corral. but all these victims came in a 2nd, and i thought, you know, will after the victims who you know, and i thought, you know what, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill. where they got to say, i'm a victim and i am against this bill. i'm going to be, i'm a victim and i'm for this bill. now we are in this dichotomous either victim or you're a perpetrator. snatched true victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we have them, we're all victims of the sister. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice meant and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had it with the black prisoners caucus over 20

years. ringback i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically will be contextualize when is happen. so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior. each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people can tell him for their actions and where the hand of forgiveness can be extended. ah, prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison.

but every once in a while, a prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplished something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison than anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff. ah, we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. merit team a change in a sense. i think that is more about them being able to see the come on in that i've become and not the commodity that i watch. and so i think that if they deny me, as because they haven't got past that point me a call,

he will not be charged for this. call. this call is from an inmate at cloud correction center. what's calls will be recorded and monitored, if you wish to block anything to the cause of this nature, dial 7. now, to accept this call, press 5. now to decline your call. hey, thank you. ah . so what he's got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offensive, very dramatic and development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time. time to sit down and talk for in the lease of canter russian

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oh no, no, no changes. i do normally during a prison i washed myself in prison. i made it worse myself. i don't want to lose faith only to tear more along. what you dorn, because you're helping the next person get out of jail and katrina, stay out of jo to be about her father saw brother personal society ah global shadow only you locked up which of my interest is in people like commodity who've worked on

rehabilitation and who've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison. it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will. because i believe that somebody like commodity makes our community a better community. ah, this is that they're all on the same dis in different stages of right now. so this only one. yes. so that one's really, really right. and there are some that turn proposal just different variety i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th. during that time i worked with the school and now i am still on monetary

community, gusty and i live with my family. i'm just trying to, ah, figured out, ah, freewill is it's all free, or is that equitable? so if you have the resources to have 5 options open to you, and i have the resources to have to open to me. how free am i to really choose? and as long as society davies up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are full of society. the

state, the government institutions, all these words that we're, that are big an amorphous that, that we're trying to, trying to make in this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us with how would you say about this? we're right, we get about justice, right. what is justice? i'm with what come to mind when we hear the word justice person

with more co room with her. okay. was all corruption co roma? prison for preston operation. oh mm hm. i don't wanna veil but you guys are being a little bit negative, right. because justice is related to all the bad the there has has happened to was right. so yeah, of course we, can we go with the negative, right? because of all of these there. i mean go room well being in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do a justice system. yeah. ready okay, so, so let me, let me make kind of rephrase that. when i,

when i think up just is our team done this classroom by year and in th, by, in general with all the class is doing. if, if, if there were any church justice i, sam born in life, there was something that was missing from myself. that were duly, that we never had. right. so by i was gonna pitching the chair is something new, something that can empower us. i've been doing the church just. mm hm. jesse says the penalty or reward for one's actions as i pity or reward because justice can be serving a good way or so. i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me some shape or form. and that to me is chest is the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me and i go and, and bad things i do actually come back to me in a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always

watching justice as it is in a thing dislike. you know, if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice. but just this is even bigger than that. just this should control to the things that you'd normally nobody else does. watch an awesome justice has to be individualized. justice has to ask, how is the community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? just that's a tough one. i'm not certain knowledge. noah. justices. justice . i'm not sure if i ever thought about that much just to our part in the system in the next part, how to do their part the the lawyers on both sides in the judges. but i would still

feel good about the bar. i did a this is not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people who are in prison could have the answers to our problems. ah, we do not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge can have the answers to their reality. ah, because we have people with the div master's degrees who then have been certified

to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a system where we've had a 10 year plan. there is now turned into a 20 year plan and they just change a name. and it's gang, those brothers, no gang. so for all of the classes that we offer this, um, we can't wait just for people in prison. aaron's children have the solutions to our problems. and what we will do it 10 years. if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some that, well, i will put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. not think it's not true . ah, because i got the deal, see the deal, t federal detention center, the juvenile system, everybody's in the business. ah. and they wait. what the education system to fail are babies. so that they go in there. mm. that i don't want to blame deal. see

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