and u. k, india, a case that and these indirect measures are now being taken where essentially russian gas is being imported. but it's just not admitted. that is russian gas because it 1st goes to from russia to india, is refined there, and then imported the reality is that until 2025, it will be difficult to replace russian gas. the winter has been somewhat mild this year. so it wasn't so far hasn't been a big crisis for europe and, but overall, the demand is significant. my thanks for joining us. they were not the international way back in 30 minutes with

. it's amazing to see people share, right? because as me, we talk about being strong unami, everybody wants to be strong, man, but you know, we might be physically strong, but you know, are we emotionally weak? my son got incarcerated here. and i learned my biggest fear was and he goes back into what he had on the board about memory. my says great phrase is charles pansy. and he said, your son used to say he was, she could come to prison just so he can be with you. in that moment i said, this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to, to do. they say, you said if you in thinking you is dead,

oh, you're never too old to find out peace with your children, which yourself. mm hm. this prison is me into more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here if a given opportunity. mm hm. ah, everybody's watch and everything they do. everywhere they go everywhere they gather . they have to really, really, really b up or to make this happen. they have to worry about being put in the whole they have to worry about being moved to another prison depending on how hard they pushed

. they don't wanna be too vocal because they don't want to be signaled out as a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn . they can move them at any time. they could be take, you know, just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. mm. i'm pretty sure they steal down us all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can't argue. cameras in every classroom, bye. so we got a classroom camera start coming up with them because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening. but as good. not only put a camera in here, you can come and sit in our classroom and you can learn to with maturity, think passively tooth wants intelligence without the guidance of another. what

is conveying is that no one, not even a monarch, government can impede enlightenment of the public. okay. okay. i thought it was, i thought it was a difficult read pull. i thought it was a career. i mean that's what i dress for from it. you know, i'm, i'm not from right or wrong, but this is my life. and so, and it's not about right or wrong, it's about interpretation. no one can say if your interpretation is wrong, we don't have a merry will, can't hear to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars, will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all they really matters, is what you're gathering, right? because there's a lot of people here who are under the idea that we are kind of exceeded our boundaries as prisoners and somebody is lying to you. if somebody is in the shop,

i always been so scared about how i looked on the desk of corey, how him being a young college kid. and me being just, you know, some mo hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become, or my manager that's something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody was really ever give me a chance. the washington state does not have will wake up a role in the early 1900 is what it replaced parole with was determinant senses. in other words, i'm going to send to you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced. doesn't matter what you do in prison,

that your sens washington has started to figure out that system is not very jobs that doesn't work. and so they've started to bring parole back. actually brought girl back for sex offences. and the other group is juvenile. if commodity had committed the crime, $61.00 days earlier, each 2 months passed his 18th birthday, he would have been a juvenile. can he be eligible for parole today? problem with punishment. the problem with setting a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years. ah, it was never really something that i was intending to have while i just got curious . i because there was a lot of people who actually going home to crunch. the 1st thing i did is i kind of started writing letters system attorneys about what was the possible and then

a week, you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call. he said that doing my clements. he will be something that he will be willing to do. today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodity sense, asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir, to let him go. the different family members that have been to prison and seen him even some went and spoke with him. different people would tell me he's changing. he's trying to be a better person, but their plan wasn't ready to accept then ah,

i had thought about reaching out to him. i was start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably maybe 6 or 7 times. and then i just said, okay, forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, killarney send me a message. i read it. i read it a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled in as a spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his message that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago, i didn't, i'm not gonna forget what happened at the but i forgave you. as i understand

the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive, you said not only am i for giving you for what you did at the forgive you to allow myself to lavon and to heal. ooh, while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the tools to be a mother. she grew up in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was in lavin. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love or she didn't have. she didn't know how. and so

in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter to death and i'll always miss the nyah and i would be 23 years old. now what i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in olympia fighting for this deal. i mean, i was a mother trying to fight for her son and i for people to get out and carroll. but all these victims came in the 2nd year, and i thought, you know, will after the victims who you know, and i thought, you know what, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill where they got to say i'm a victim and i am against this bill. i'm going to be, i'm a victim and i'm for this bill. now, we are in this dichotomous, either victim or your perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we have them. we're all victims of the system. i've had

a funnel was murder and i have a family that had different ideas about with justice met and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had it with the black prisons caucus over 20 years. ringback i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically, we contextualize what is happening so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior. each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people can atone for their actions and where

the hand of forgiveness can be extended. the prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison. but every once in a while, a prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplished something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison than anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff. ah, we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. married teen a change in his sense. i think that it's more about them being able to see the come

on in that i've become and not the commodity that i watch. so, you know, i think that they deny me as because they haven't got past that point me a call not be charged for this. call. this call is from an inmate at a correction center. it's called will be recorded and monitored. if you wish to block any future calls of this nature, dial 7. now, to accept this call, press 5. now to decline this call. hey, thank you. what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very particular time time to sit down and talk

with a crowd of a community like, oh i, i don't then from there and i'm from my that you know to find the result to both good. pretty them. yeah. kids get you physically move in order for you to visit too long for with that. they can and we just cuz they connected me necessarily, bandanna, they got shipment cooper and that this one actually i talked to you and that was fun and get you on the phone with don. this lady fun. he'll leave. duh.

oh no, no, no changes. i do not wanna prison or wash myself in prison in ah letter worse must ah, i don't wanna lose faith. only matea more along what you dorn, because you're helping the next person get out of jail and consume to stay out of jo to be about her father. saw brother, a person of society ah valuable shadow only you locked up.

which of my interest is in people like commodity who've worked on rehabilitation and who've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison, it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will, because i believe that somebody like commodity makes our community a better community. ah, this is bang this. they're all on the same just in different stages of right. so this one. yes. so that one's really, really right, and there are several that trend proposal just different variety. i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th.

during that time i worked with the school and now i am still in monetary community. gusty and i live with my family. i'm just trying to, ah figure it out. aah! free wills, it's all free or is not equitable. so if you have all the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources they have to open to me how. ready free am i to really choose and as long as society debbie's up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to, for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are fool

a society, the state, the government institutions, all these words that we use that are big, an amorphous that, that we're trying to trying to make this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us with ours. you see about the we're right. we get about just is right. what is justice? i'm with

. welcome to mind. when we hear the word, justice person would put anything more of them cold room with her. okay. was all corruption co roma prison for brandon operation? oh mm hm. i don't wanna veil, but you guys are being a little bit negative, right? because justice is related to all the bad the, the has, has happened to was right. so yeah, of course we, can we go with the negative, right? because of all of these there. i mean, go room. well, been in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do

a justice system. yeah. okay. so, so let me, let me make kind of rephrase that. when i, when i think of justice, i seemed gone these pleasant by year and in theory, by, in general, with all the classes, if doing, if the, if the one, the child, justice i because at some point in life there was something that was missing from our field, now cartoony that we never had. right? so, by i was gonna teaching the chairs, something new, something that can empower. i think he's doing the church does. mm hm. justice is the penalty or reward for one's actions. i say penalty or reward because justice can be sherman a good way or so. i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me, some shape or form. and that to me is chest is the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me in a go and a bad things. i do actually come back to me in

a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always watching just this isn't, isn't a thing dislike. you know, if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice. blake justice is even bigger than that justice. she controls things that you'd normally nobody else is watch an awesome justice has to be individualized. justice has to ask, how is the community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? one is just that's a tough one. i'm not certain knowledge. no what justices justice . i'm not sure if i ever thought about that much just to our part in the system and

in the next part, how to do their part the the lawyers on both sides in the judges. but i was still so good about the bar i did. oh, this is not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison, could have the answers to our problems. ah, we do not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge can have the answers to their reality. ah,

because we have people with ph. d, the master's degrees, who then have been certified to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a system where we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan. they just change a name and it's gang. those brothers, no gang. so for all the classes that we offer to some, we can't wait just for people in prison, aaron's children have the solutions to our problems. and what we will do it 10 years. if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some lab. i will put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. don't think it's not true. ah, because i got the deal. see the deal, t federal detention center, the juvenile system, everybody's in the business. ah. and they wait for the education system to

fail. our babies so that they go in there. mm. that i don't want to blame deal. see, because it took a whole lot of institutions to get them there. we bail, we fail them. in spite of that they've got the flu . me them the spirit that we did not kill me . the me ah, that that spirit that the genocide, that a kid, the genocide of people in that heal.

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