most of the social democratic basis, the party itself has a tradition of diplomacy, think of really brought the former chance love best remedy who was being down and also to ask for forgiveness. he also made 2 big approaches in the seventy's to speak to the president in order to overcome the cold war taste. so this is the traditional principal to see, but they don't see it shows that they definitely don't see mrs. barbara from the green party. so maybe that was a reminiscence to the old political diplomacy. many thanks for joining us on. the program is always good to have you on ralph ny, my chairman of the german council, the constitution on sovereignty. thank you. thank you very much. thank you for joining us. hey arty international will be back at the top of the hour later.

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i think so. i think he is, because to hear it from many african ambassadors here really they are world company of easy russia is welcome. though of course, it's coming a bit late than the other big powers. russia has been accused of neo colonialism and of seeking to expand its influence there. do you think that is the case and if not, what is perhaps who stands to benefit from driving a wedge between russia and africa? the 1st blow, sweet, acute, who is accuser? russia is really amazing. those countries walk years. russia who might accuse russia are the ones who have been there for long and as nuclear analysis. and connie analysis, i see the out afraid of russia competing with them. now, the,

except that the approach of russia should differ very much from the upper did, they are approach. what is their approach like law is so far for the last 50 years or even one. previously, it was colonial and up afterwards is to it wasn't neo colonial. i didn't see the difference and africa for the last 50 years in a didn't get anything from them. it's raymond lloyd, it was 50 years ago. i remember read, you know, i don't know where it was. i'll keep that it in, in the sixty's to african countries. the salon and gonna though are on the same level as south korea that

so where are they now? these 2 african countries and what is korea know? why? because they invested intensively in south korea. what is they didn't do that in africa? why do you think i didn't do that in africa? i don't know will be for though, is it better that africa remains only to source or for rural materials? what do you think they're so afraid of with africa becoming stronger, for example, by them investing more africa becoming stronger? of course, little be less dependence on them. missy, far recorded. so why do you think we're still seeing the issue of neil colonialism? so prevalence and africa, no one thing is, you don't, we don't have to blame the there colonial powers only. well to blame also the african countries digits right in the last 50 years to get rid of them. not, no,

not many of them. they're not, i mean, especially the leaders, but africa is now awakening. and there will be a new article so that they are free now to threads will they want. that's why russia could be welcome, rochelle, or china. i seen it our last areas where we can cooperate with russia. beach in the security sector, threat sector, economic sector, and defense sector. or for that matter also in other areas. dorothy is open. this only that potentially editor has the biggest, may be one of the biggest potash a fertilizers. it felt his cell to the about 3 days ago. i think an agreement to us richard will sign it with china for the exploitation of it. and it will be operational in the next to the cooperation with russia could be very important in

the agricultural sector also with in their transfer of law. how in the transfer of for origin, the productivity, you've mentioned china twice so far already and china, of course it is the most important partner for every trail from what i understand could russia competes in that aspect, or maybe that's not even competition. there's not a thing in this area and it's just western rhetoric. what would you say? why not nearly 3 hours is enough to do for this both countries, if they try to invest or, or in the competition is not i think even among friends, there is competition many contradicts even members of the european union, j compete among some sort of so, so for to win more markets in other countries. so i north osaka, china computing discipline, but it doesn't mean that the that is low enough for all 4 to all. let's talk about

the united nations. moving on to the crisis with the ukraine. we saw that every trail was one of the countries that did not vote against russia at the un. what were you guided by when making that decision? and were you not perhaps fearful of the sanctions that could come in imposed as a means of punishment for not floating against russia. a small country like every 3 or is under the assumption is for so many years, no help from them? no, not in. so there is nothing to rule from this and what that to have done except to gain at this hour, who have kept our principal, who are not please it will all the manipulation is done. alina finishes, the establish thunder, blame and the others for the same thing. for the same thing,

while if on the 1st for the other wants to blame with the outdoor, they have no right to blame others could they are what they are doing in other countries i've seen has been done. even dish was it hasn't to be raised in data. so any threats against dis, double standards sanctions that are imposed aren't having the fact that western countries would like. so why do you think they continue with this policy of enforcing sanctions that we then see? don't have their desired effect. thus one point i don't understand myself. so because as i know they are suffering also from the sanction themselves. the final analysis sanctions don't work better, especially when they retire. there is a small country which has no, we don't contribute my to the world economic water sanction is on us.

well money genie for the last 20 years because im, we don't export that well, the import and the market is there also he wants is that they don't sell as there are other markets or so i just rush hour or so now there are impose sanctions or rush about there are other markets or so they didn't expect that we can i mean the, the resume will house leave the city, sanction spirit or into city we leased this or is you would for they say what it happen does it i was rusted. more than they expected and do you, how overcome many of the sanctions? how did you manage to do that? so our people were, they saw that there was no more detail though they did. they depended on themselves and this principle of working, i'm to love the contribution of the us. what are the contribution of the people are

in a resistant dis, sanctions and the outside pressure is picking my country. so we'll have the will of distribution of resistance resisting outside pressure. we've also seen how the, why sort of cherry pick. so what to show about what's happening around the world. for example, when we saw the crisis in ukraine unfold, at the same time, there was a crisis happening in neighboring ethiopia, which was totally ignored. and it was on a scale much larger than what was, what was happening in ukraine. why do you think that is, why are they ignoring issues and countries like at the olympia but not in the countries like ukraine? buddy, i assume maybe they didn't completely ignore it because they were do more noise in due to a p, our region. they were supplying and help in the re both there i'm in the province. there are more. i did my country or so 4030. it was

committing crime. he sinned all these things until now with us. they never stopped . they wanted in my, our president and our country, they didn't completed it recognize it may be, it was, it wasn't as widely spoken of us that of the ukraine because he knew credit the are deeply war with saw. why do they want to, dina, lies your country. because, you know, this is the problem with the african countries. also what they do, even now they will face problem. those will try to go their own way. we have been or pause, is this dictate of the us for the last, you know, since we started fighting, we want to our own way. so they don't like that. that is our main seed.

any country who wants to walk its own way is not allowed to do so. in africa. they have to show you the way this is the right way to work. so that's all our only seen . only will continue to our own way because those for goin, the way they were told to go there still there still there were they didn't move an age for where they were. some examples benny many africa of at south africa. so we have learned from not also africa awaken in no white is you've said that already that africa is awakening. now, what do you attribute that to wise at awakening? now the new generation is different from that of the old generation. it could be that and her inside parisha

there use while looking for work. who are louis looking for better for jobs? i mean, looking for better stand us off, leave an indication or opportunity. they are not finding it though. so they are trying to analyze what you saw saw, maybe they're come to a conclusion. it's because of this, no coronel policies of some countries. what is the regional situation like right now also with neighboring, if he lps the situation with i think it's now with satellite stability and we hope it will continue to stabilize. so of course you can say definitely that piece is a shoot because it depends on many sir,

not factors. also there are those powers who don't or don't like to see peace in that areas, but we hope there will be compelled also or maybe they will recall. now that piece is no society in that area. also who is the day? i mean, the worst, mostly the west and those countries while it is a west, which is supporting their degrees, you on who is the more eyes in us who is intervening in that area. and you said the failed. how did they fail? because the rivers, those supporting down now completely defeated. they came to sign a piece, every man through this european government and out there given their weapons buck to the federal government. they couldn't fight,

they were totally defeat all the support they were getting from the outside world was, i mean from many then i said, said it's a life does every traveling outside and supports i'm in the right thing. the to the writer was in africa to use now when we approach africa, i mean countries for want to do business with africa, the up, the she down approach should be, i mean there should are worried this word is like help in the store that help partnership this ward is very important and out in the country. we will help you or aid and help bid this the, the things are not that we want to make partnership with the partner to this war to could make a change in africa. so the approach, that's why the chinese are now in all the countries of africa,

they are approach is different from that of the ex colonial bars. and there i shall, could do the same also it was treat them as partners and it sucks. you awesome. so basically, lots to portray african countries like that there was constantly need of how much. yeah noodles every day. whenever there are this organizations, non government organizations, when they collect the money in the name of america, i mean the children, the hungry children are all africans, africa, and their name of harvey cause issues of how they portrayed of hico. so the opera should be different for any candidates succeed, i mean, arbitrage i, china, or maybe india is now or so operation or turkey's, or chaperone in africa. you've mentioned that western countries are losing their

influence in, in africa right now. what are african new preferred alliance? i think africa's would to deal with all the countries in the world. they don't want to be treated to deal with those countries. for don. i accept them as they are equals so they will deal with those countries who deal with them as they are you course they will treat them as the course. china is one of them. jaya and i had one of jump over. what are the countries that treats when i rush hour? so russia, i hear here also the policies or so that is a policy or so to treat them or new quote, a term so, so with africa to create partnership, not this quote called neo colonial mentality. so you don't see a rush as having neil colonialist notes in its attitudes towards eritrea. and my

understanding are correct later, i hope so. because rush ours into coronel power or song and garage our nose to russia. exactly. but when we speak to the soviet union, also for the, the people, africa is the service in russia. so that there is this memory of this year helping which we use to help the liberation movements. and so it has got discord name also. it could make use of a nation rush a lot and no coronel part colonial power. so it isn't worth it. idiots. i recall only enough he got least or no arrows. but as far as i know, i, eritrea has still has

a soviet military base that's not no longer working and there are no plans to restore it. but is there a possibility of a military corporation with a retro, you mentioned before, security defense in what way could eritrea russia corporate in terms of the military? you know, the fact that the rules a military base in, in the islands of dialogue, it wasn't our, it wasn't our choice. atria has nothing to do with that. it was under occupation. so it was a military resume which was getting help from the soviet union. which gave the soviets and it was used against us also against us. and there was another base also in our smaller communication base of which the emperor gave to the, to the nice it,

it was there until they went off support. next was put next a period. so they had to, to leave it, i'm in the military regime told us to leave or so. so it wasn't our choice. and the policy does foreign policy of a threat is not to have for a base on its soil. but military corporation, amazing cooperation will be there. i'm sure all the equipment that we have is either either soviet made or russia made before independence when we are fighting doesn't continue chosen supplying us. but we were to capture lots of weapons is in as far as tanks afterwards. so who are used to soviet weapons we would use and there is,

does culture of use. you saw it. and after that, we bought, i mean after independence, also we bought several i, when we were fighting you do talk of our or so we both, some pilot lyman airplanes were place. i mean, mucous megs and sauce, and other defense ah weapons from here. so this cooperation has been going on for the last 20 years. there were a rush and experts come in theory throughout just to to teach you are our people there. so it will continue. now maybe even, you know, on a bigger scale, maybe a whitening sale may be on the bigger scale law because of the situation. now we'll have to build out our system, our defense system to have

a stronger defense system may be saw on that for now, because we are free to buy there are no sanctions rush hour so sanctioned us because the united nation is russia as a big power cords while it also the resolutions of day to with. so it was difficult for us even when we're fighting with europe to buy arms from here it was difficult . i shall be at a loss what now the sanctions has been lifted here. so we will buy all deck mints for day murray, in forget folders or demarion force or defense systems. so that's why i say maybe on a bigger scale or so. is that something that's already planned? have you had the conversations about acquiring more?

just a discussion. so i'll do away because i have the dirtiest store the best to weapons you see, their motto provided throughout the money or they were em. i think russia will sell us anything that we'd like to have. in general, we're seeing this tendency. alva, africa, african countries becoming more dominance in the world wide arena. do you think, is there a chance of africa becoming a dominant force in the next few years? perhaps a couple of decades? is that a reality is a possible, maybe not a dominant force. i would say that, but africa without a bigger voice, bigger influence in the future. because even 54 countries mark his 4 members of the united nations are from africa. so that added to that also is noted in africa is also developing how to foster it

economic on time. so maybe it will use this leverage also for having a bigger se in though in though the nice english in this, or in the old alger as a whole, as they are now, sir. as africa develops faster and faster that perhaps the west, we'll try to put a pause to that or to stop at, as we've seen, happen in history. in the past with other countries. it's natural because any, any growth enough he got his it bless dependence on those countries. so do they would like to have bigger influence edition so that africa depends on the africa should remain a market for them has what they were there. they would like to see what

things don't go that way. they have the, it's natural that africa will develop. so having to prevent that from happening again. how can you prevent that so that africa continues its growth and stays there without outside interference manipulation. i think my strength then in the african union it's very difficult so, so because they will do their best also to have a bigger to, to influence africa. africa will also try to not to be in. so dependent on them instead of, for example, let's say, instead of export to ro, martinos, africa could start exporting semi finished products. then afterwards, so, so finished products, why only a raw materials, raw materials, you don't get anything from that. so that way africa could move to sell for

dependency. self sufficiency on said sir, how long do you think i could take to self sufficiency? roy, there is always good. it could take a shorter time. oh i see now many countries, as i said, they measured in south korea, didn't take out the law and or so even china, china is now a lead in oral power. now economic was big, prefer pile. i always reforms with it is reforms you did now is worse, it is or is good. you cannot predict but by walk in hard by war, by you making reforms and i have,

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