so in moral honesty, we must address why this conflict started in the 1st place with a use you do move to you is now completely following the american dictates. europe has lost its independence to serve american interest in the geopolitical containment of russia and china. russia is a foreign minister says that you with a vast all of the u. s. and is conducting a proxy war against russia. a new cray with staging blames washington for stealing oil from syria, saying 60 tankers, full of the country's top resorts have been looted by us forces and just this month also in the program, a recent survey showing that people in india see america is

a military threat to that country coming in 2nd only off at china and south africa seek for substitution to the u. s. dollars dominance and looks to the bricks group of countries for a citizen with as we cover all corner of the globe from moscow, this wednesday evening is hacked with your top storage for this hour. so welcome to quote, the european union has lost its independence to washington and the nato military alliance are those words from russia's foreign minister during an annual news conference by law for off summed up the events of the last you you want to say use you is now, completely following the american dictate, because europe has lost its independence in a joint declaration explicitly states that europeans are subjugated, nato's them, essentially continuing an obligation to serve american interests in the

geopolitical containment of russia and china. one of the main points, it seems to be that 2022 definitely. so a tendency that has been developing for many years to create a development to bring to the forefront that the west is trying to impose its way of thinking. and it's imperialist views on the rest of the world. for example, our sergei elaborate mentioned that nato has been fighting russia through you crate . and that even an academic study that was published in the west has shown facts and details revealing that. and also that would that help all that proxies and at satellites? they've been developing this for years to new english. that's for the u. s. has now ship to coalition, including virtually all european countries about natal member states and new states and other issues. and now they are waging a war by proxy against russia using ukraine is approximately in order to solve the russian matter, just like hitler. and i wanted to find the solutions with jewish problem. they're

doing the same right now should circle. i've also mentioned that the sanctions that are being used by the wes are aimed at not only weakening russia and trying to get it to play along to what it wants. so russia to do comply, but also with rushes. i lies another so called undesirable nations, trying to force them to follow suit and do the same thing, follow washington's rhetoric. there was an interesting question at some point when the journalist asked, how can russia claim to respect the un charter and international law. when it started this a special military operation, and the journalist asked, how can the russia accused the west of doing something that it itself has done now? just took women, is that at the emergency room, there is an opinion among europeans that russia did not show its best side by deciding to take military action. while the rest of the imperialist countries that have bombed half of the planet, or violate an international law in the same way, in order to cease territories with them, we are victims of this policy in greece. we have

a threat from took yet. how would you argue with this position for the food that she had? russia has not shown its best qualities of an interesting formulation that of about 300 times. after the end of the cold war, of the united states invaded some one else. his territory lay up with him. their goal in places like central america is the liquidation of threats to the world was and they were offended for example, by saddam hussein and gadhafi. in yugoslavia, they simply decided to destroy the balkans for the sake of germany. but there was no question of any tribunals or a decision to investigate crimes. they said we will put you under sanctions. we defended our security from ukraine for after they made a spring board for an attack on russia. and secondly, the humiliation of russians and the kuda tar in 2014, when the west sided with the anti russian regime without an attempt to dial back. the bombing of guns can odessa. lauren, investigate which there were no tribunals that minsk agreements was just to give

you a korean war. time and weapons. years ago we were the only ones who saw the implementation of immense concurrence, all the others were children. but another to some point was that to us regular office, about western globalization as collapsing and washington is trying to retain that top spot by going, as far as a legitimate means to achieve that, any means possible trying to create a rift between countries to make sure that the majority is stick to, it's a rhetoric also understand you were there among many, many journalists from all around the world. what's it, was it just ukraine or what are some other topics the level of touch down on as well? no, i was not just the crane. we also heard about the standoff between us that of i, john and our mealy are. there were questions about japan, but we could see that there was a particular focus more on asia and not a natural because as we'll see in russia has been shifting more towards the east, especially after the special military of operations began. and we saw the reaction

from the west with the sanctions and tried to restrict russia, and so we can russia. so there was a particular emphasis in particular on a china and russia relationship with china. the shuttle sure news. this little news publication are relations with china are going to the best times in history. the leaders of our country say the same thing. china characterize is relations like this. reliance is not an alliance, but in some ways even stronger boots are relations are respectfully based on a balance of interest. yes, there is no need to look for information about the west attempts to bring discord into our relation. so they don't consider us an immediate threatened. china is considered a long term challenger loose will they understand that their forces are running out in opposition to the historical trend of the formulation of the multiple are wont to proceed that the west is trying to bring the scores between was they are trying to defeat us in order to then convince russia to become a partner of the west that has forgiven sanctions little so and will not interfere

. and ideally, only helped to restrain china. i do not know which of their analysts develop these theories, but they are out of touch with real life accomplishing. so these were among the wide ranging topics i touched upon by soccer laughter off the annual press conference. you can read so much more about it. he went on for about 3 hours today . read about the divorce, he dot com. i for now, here in the program, a chinese foreign ministry spokesperson has slammed america for stealing syrian oil . sang washington is interested in reaping the benefits, regardless of collateral damage. meg, what issues were struck by the blatant see an egregious news of the u. s. plundering of syria for the, at the level of us greed and stealing resources from syria is as striking as its generosity and giving out military aid whether the u. s. gives or takes, it plunges other countries into turmoil and disaster. and the u. s. reaps its benefits for its hedge. ammonia and other interests may have on the account of

beijing, also blames washington of, quote, ruthlessly trampling on the lives of syrian people. that sized damascus says more than 80 percent of its daily oil output has been smuggled out of the country by american troops in the 1st half of the last year. but officials also say that already in the 1st month of 2023, washington has already used 60 tankers to ship out oil and wheat from syria. now, you know, the story america has been present in serious and 2014 leading a coalition for what some of famed is focused on regime change evolving well, the military's of america, france, england, canada, australia, many other countries were involved and it made accusations of stealing syrian oil in 2021. the pentagon said that u. s. troops were not there to protect syrian oil fields, except for rare occasions when is needed to protect civilian. i was discussing other subject a bit earlier with political commentator steven so honey, he says washington's actions ultimately stripped syria of the very resources and

funding that the country needs to recover. they are so busy in the studio, people from having the fuel number for warming to houses in the winter for turning on the factory used for the building of syria. and that is particularly what a washington d. c wants to a country like steel. yeah. is that huge amount of money that is, that, that could have rebuilt year to $2.00 or 3 times the doctor. we could have got a medication medicine. we could have got to stop our hospitals and studio. it's good to have got fuel for the cars. our schools and everything. we have a shortage is getting one out of electricity every 24 hours, the ceiling people, i'm talking about the student average people. they cannot, they don't have, you don't have electricity to warm their houses. there are some areas in studio like a lot o damascus, almost almira hammock. in the central of studio, the temperature are below 0. they have no way of warming their houses.

moving on to india now, where a recent poll shows or rather surprising result with the united states of america taking 2nd place among the top security threats to india. let's get more on the story here with our to india correspondent. but don't join sharma. percy very, very interesting, paul, there, as you suggested rory and now the pool is saying that us is considered as a 2nd top thread going ahead of pakistan and pakistan. remember in the our shares a history of military conflict with border disputes as well. in fact, ever since the creation of focus on the 1947, india had trouble with diplomatic relationship with the and a u. s. in fact, interestingly, i've come to the head off bach hassan. and in this particular so the ordinary citizens from across the country were interviewed. of course they saw china as the

top thread, but 22 percent saw us as the 2nd more stuff threat. as far as this fall is concerned, while the world's 2 largest democracies would seem to make for natural partners, especially given their mutual mistrust of china, indians have strategic reasons to be wary of the world's western superpower as tensions between washington and beijing, increase the indian public may be worried about getting caught in the middle of a u. s. china conflict that the stabilizes regional security. putting india at risk . well, that's interesting considering india has rather warm relationships with the west. also us as india's top trading partner in the world. and even then when you look at this, so be a people are seeing that us as a 2nd most threat when it comes to india. also when it comes to china, now the talks that lives in the so be 43 percent. the indians come to the china, the top military tract. remember india in the recent past has had trouble

a border situation with china in 2020 india on china. so one of the bloodiest commissions in history where several soldiers also had lost their life. and also last year in 2022, another class between india and china we saw now another interesting aspect of this particular survey is that indians are likely to blame us allies. and he, for the conflict in ukraine, and it's only around 30 percent. so less than 40 percent indians that come to the more school responsible for the ongoing conflict in ukraine. now it's around 26 percent people that see united states us to be blamed and around 18 percent. people think nato is to begin. so 44 percent there compared to the 38 percent people think and leave me more school for the conflict. now another reason that people think in

this direction is because indians have often been to by the west, by the u. s. a. for the constant threshold its force on india to condemn the rush shells offensive in ukraine also to north by discounted oil from russia. and now 60 percent of people in india believe that the indian government should continue buying oil from russia and around 49 percent. see that india should continue military exercises with more school. just to quickly underline that as far as new delhi and more school friendship is concerned, it has withstood the test of time and also geopolitical jones. in that sense, for example, in a 971. when india and barcus on had gone to war or the manager and prices in eastern focused on countries, including the u. s. the all supported. they provided military as well as moral

support to pakistan. and that's when india had sent out and with call and only one country came to india rescue. that was so with the union. so this ball in a sense, whole testimony of that people in india haven't forgotten. history on the south african foreign minister is quoting for $8.00 substitute, ultimately looking to the bricks group of countries for some kind of solution. we have always been concerned about the dominance of the dollar, and we need to look for an eternity to this. this is one of the reasons why we created the brakes, new development bank. i think what she's referring to is the fact that let's take south africa, the largest economy in africa, which is, you know, in so many ways such an important concept for our entire world to provide us with 70 richard resources that i think they just fed up the fed up with the fact that their entire economy is dictated by us fiscal. why, why do you think that fed up,

chris? because the dollar saves nations all around the world? is the king couldn't currency? why would they be fed the fact that this policy of most countries that trading us dollars really extracts as well from that country? as opposed to that take, china is invested millions of trillions of dollars in the economies about the connection where it seems to be instead of extracts from that policy. since we want to investment bank winning the hearts and minds the way china is working in africa, building infrastructure, schools, road hospitals, clinics, these kinds of things. it's almost like winning the hearts and minds of the people that i play. i think that's totally the, the correct way to look at it. i mean, we're, we're from a town or a village in africa, and you'll down down the sound of mine or your work in some kind of mineral extraction. and in the past, you've really seen this western company come employee and just to strike out, well, whereas if the chinese company come employ them and actually re invest that money in new homes, like you said, new roads, you infrastructure, new schools, new hospitals, and things that really improve your life? i think if it were you were i'd, i'd, i'd know which side i want to be on. but chris talked to me about bricks, brazil,

russia, in the china, south africa potentially it's going to be saudi arabia, potentially, argentina, potentially iran. what are the implications that chris re bricks as it is right now, covers a far larger expense of the well population that the united states could ever dream . it all of that different trade associations and different ways in which they tried to manipulate the world. the fact that if 1000 joined that organization, we would go to south africa, the largest economy in africa, in that we've got china. we've got these big brazil, the largest country in south america, if the saudis coming there and all these other countries that are requesting now to join. i mean it's really stuff. i don't know the fiscal level, which is probably more important, but i think this might be what the foreign minister of south africa is also referring to on a fiscal level, there's really nothing stopping in these countries coming together very similar to begin, right. the european union has its own currency the year, right? we could have the bricks, currency, right? at that point that is incredibly powerful. and for me, it's very,

very difficult to see how the united states federal reserve could ever pounds a currency with that much power in rehab. less than 2 months ago. would they agree to go essentially, to national currencies? it's almost like, by, by petro dollar. hello, petrow. you one and yet all these opec countries, they're all joining on board here. they're all looking to trade in national currencies. this is like, this is like a snowball, roaring down a mountain. i'm getting massively more and more bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger as every day goes past. here, it looks already to me anyway. it looks like the petro dollar, which is the spine of america's budget on foreign policy, is being shattered. yes, i agree with you entirely. i think we already had to see that as well from the last meeting. we've been biden's, visit the jetta, the c b s prior to the fees we saw in those meetings, we saw the opec plus town countries which are obviously led by saudi arabia chairs . but basically, they know they did that with oil pricing, they refused to lower the price. they said we can't do that because we're not going

to gamble with our economies anymore. we're not going to allow you to be tight to off through the us dollar, which is exactly as you pointed out, how they've done it, to dictate how we run our fiscal policies and how we look after our own people in our own countries. meanwhile, the south africa, foreign minister was also condemned. a u. s. bill designed to punish african countries for any cooperation with russia and the calling it an unlawful initiative . i believe the bill should really be killed because i think it's totally unwarranted. i think it's an intrusion that goes against international law, and we've made this clear to our colleagues in the united states. we even met with the draft of the initial legislation and indicated our fence with which we view this particular proposed piece of legislation. life out to our author, africa correspond, credible a tough life and job book where it's just about

a 20 past 6 in the evening. where you are kind of great to have you on the program this, this bill, the, the south african foreign minister condemning a us bail design to punish african countries if they cooperate in any way with russia. can you take us through the details kind of oh, those right rory, it's called the malign russian activities in africa. eggs. what are we in africa called the anti african bill? and those were the ones that have been used by several commentators to describe exactly what happened last year in the house of representatives in the united states. the bill was overwhelming. majority support in congress. in fact, it was bipartisan winning by some 419 volt to 9, and it was passed through. but the interesting part is what happened to that bill, as it was likely seem to be going through is a way to the senate and then throw on

a head a working visit to the united states. and he and his father and his foreign minister, doctor lady ponder, ported squarely to the americans, that this is an anti africa bill that they cannot force africans to choose, that africans have a right to determine their own development and determine their own partners. we have been lamenting that bill ever since it came, and before that trip by around for a late last year in november, it was fed by some of the officials in the white house that the president joe biden will take as much time as possible to delay the bill to make sure that it never ends up on his desk to possibly try and stop it within the senate. but it really looks at anybody who is potentially making friendships with, with russia and south africa, has a vested interest, especially when it comes to russia. as part of the briggs membership and south africa has been really keen to really leverage on some of the memberships that you

find within break to make them come up issues that are rather continent wide. they've continuously encourage the chinese to invest more on the continent. and continuously look towards russia as part of the military fortification of south african army. now, subject that is very much interested in taking advantage of russian military hardware and know how in terms of training and personnel and how it handles itself . in areas of peacekeeping as well as general defense of the country, but also south africa, as is vested interest in this relationship because the ones in africa to have a permanent seat on the un security because of something that south africa has been lobbying for, for the better part of 10 years there is talks about whether or not that should not be the chairperson of the african union representing the africa wide interest. but they would not be that much, that inspection, if it happens to be south africa that occupies that permanent seats. and it's not

the only way south africa stop south africa continues to endeavor to progress the agenda of africa, white especially subsaharan africa interest in development. and as well as breezing the gap in terms of technology transfer and learning trade from some of the breaks partners. and here is the lady pine to speaking about what they hold to bring as part of their chairmanship, which they took over just at the beginning of this year. the chairmanship of bricks which they will be holding until the end of the year. she has been trying to we are not the many countries want to become part of the organization because there is this satisfaction in the world. the uni pooler structure were one or 2 regions or countries want to dominate in terms of ideology and political thought. breaks offers an alternative because we do not impose ideas in any one. we discuss

corporation on straw for universal friendships. china is a big trading platinum on the continent and it continues to lead, as we've seen with the recent visit by the u foreign minister of china minister kim, who really toward 5 african countries further in illustrating the importance of the chinese government and its support towards various african countries, we see more and more that russia is getting and faced on the continent as well. becoming a member of, of preference, especially when it comes to issues of security. as we've seen around the hell region with some of the numerous countries that, that have been really taken over by the insurgency and as long as extremism that has been part of that region. and it's not surprising that the lady pond or this moment to give this interview because she's always been measured. always been

deliberate and never give an interview for it. yeah, kind of, but you know, it's so many people are talking about this. if the multi polar world and person was talking about it recently, the birth of the multi poto world, i think the birth is long gone. it's now just accelerating into fast unbridled growth right now. are these kind of a tattler, thanks so much. we'll see you soon. well, meantime, a member of the south african national council, the provinces has actually come out to condemn the u. s. approach to african nations as unacceptable. what i think if the united states of america is busy promulgating legislation that is going to give itself an authority to, to, to, to punish african countries for pursuing their own national interest. i think that speaks for itself, you can have the government, a single government out of several governments in the will and it's taking a decision and placing itself as the police of the universe. it can be allowed,

even the united states of america should pull up each other constantly. is it interests because we cannot have a situation of a unit poor lost in the world. we think differently. we view things differently and we leave in different hemispheres. and i think what we need to do is to capitalize on the commonality is the humanity instead of wanting to major with the main us. and i think if, if, if, if the u. s. government is tuesday and wants to date terms as to what kind of a policy perspective. some countries must pursue. it would be wrong for them to want to take an issue. if another kind of takes a different direction in terms of what is the direction. so as a western leaders continue to suggest that piece in ukraine can only be achieved

through ukrainian victory on the battlefield. the german chancellor laughed sholtes i said during the w e. f form in davos, he was once again over his allies to do everything possible to increase military supplies to key f. then order for the war 2 and rush us aggression must fail. that is why we are continuously supplying ukraine with large quantities of arms in close consultation with our apartments. the chancellor's stipend comes amid other western lead, as a recent remarks, european commission, president vandal in urging allies to give you crania, and all the weapons that it needs, and that it can handle all nato chief. you installed in books that he expects more heavy weapons sent to ukraine. as a conflict entered a decisive phase. we'll talk a lot more right now in cross law to senior research fellow at the global policy institute of george w. what are you there? yes. hello, george, great to see you. thanks for coming on the program. i know,

i know you know the story that's just straight off the bat. what's your take on this narrative? the piece in ukraine could only be achieved by defeating russia on the battlefield . well, this is the mantra, repeat that, no, the him, but all of the nato leaders who profess humanitarianism, profess to one piece. and then by the hughley logic, they come to the conclusion that the way to bring peace is by escalating the conflict by sending more alms. and the bazaar idea that the more arms you send, the more likely you want to win. this is now, you know, the dog, but within nature world which is so they sound the, what they're interested in is piece. but their actions are, you know, the exact opposite. they are actually making sure that there is more bloodshed. and of course, is based on the assumption that russia would just simply sit on these hands and do

nothing. and just watch nate, those and more and more ukraine you'd have thought of and moms they would have been disabuse of this idea. so george, what do you think? i mean, the west is raising the stakes and supplying ukraine with many more weapons over the coming months and gotten as to how much longer. but the nato chief saying the conflict is entering a decisive phase. what, what's the basis behind such a statement? what does he installed in bug mean with this decisive phase? when it's very hard to know what exactly he means, he often doesn't really mean anything very much other than let's get warm or weaponry in the. so it's always a decisive phase. it's always where we're coming up to the crisis. it may be that there were indications of that that the western powers, the cheaper the united states are expecting russian offensive in the very near

future. and they are afraid that those russian offensive will be successful and that will lead to the ukranian collapse. we don't know whether that will be a russian offensive when it will be in the near future, and whether it will be as decisive as that. but i think that there is clearly anxiety particularly within the, by the ministration that a major thrust by the russians is coming. george, i wanted to bring your attention to an article that i read in the past couple of days and forgive me please. i can't remember where it came from, but i remember it was a really poignant article and it said, and i can't confirm any of this. but it said that german war generals have contacted american war generals and said to them, please lose as quickly as you can in ukraine or you risk losing the u. s. empire in europe. how would you read into a comment like that?

well, i think germany is in this very peculiar position, whereby you have a political elite that is atlantis to it's cool. but you have the industrial financial cause that doesn't see any advantages to that war against russia. russia was the source of income for them really investment and it was a source of cheap energy. the cheap energy is going to go. the investment opportunity is going to go. and the german public really isn't that enthusiastic about the united states and above us led war them where it's leading germany. so among the military there really is no enthusiasm at all. and they obviously concern about the future of public opinion in germany, towards nato. and then you.