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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . how will that conflict in ukraine and to cease fire, armesis frozen conflict, or defeat, or either ukraine or russia? this is the question so called think tanks all across the western world. they're asking the problem with this approach that it lacks intellectual and moral honesty . we must address why this conflicts started in the 1st place, the cross fucking war in peace. i'm joined by my guess, john bertolli in new york. he is a political analyst, as well as a former foreign correspondent in russia in washington. and we have nick bronner. he is the chair of the people's party of the united states and in north florida. we have pamela longo. he is the publisher of gold goats in guns, blog, and newsletter, ideals, and cross grocer. if that means you can jump in anytime you want. i always appreciated . let me, let me go to john new york 1st. you know, john, i mean,

i watch all these think tanks, you know, responsible state craft, you know, the american conservative anti war dot com, which i, i have, you know, basically positive attitudes towards in general. but very specifically, the way they approach the how this conflict in ukraine is going to end. they, they're not very interest interested in contextualizing it. how we got here in the 1st place. because i would posit, and i have ever since the complex started that the ending, well has to take into account how it all started. and it western leads and the be, well, the foreign policy blob is that we're just doesn't want to go there because there's a lot of culpability there. go ahead in new york, the routes of this conflicts are protecting the right to the aggression in done boss in crimea, and absolutely nobody in the west wants to address that issue. they don't even want to talk about it. in fact, i was recently on a atlantic counts a webinar, atlanta counselor. as you know, it's a think tank facing for the pentagon from the ca for the national security state.

and they deny the fact that there are ethnic russians who are native residents of crimea, and they deny this fact general wesley clark claims that the russians living crimea are migrate. they just came in the past few years, right? moscow sent them to crimea in order to stick a claim to crime. here in the past few years. wesley clark, you know, top general, the pentagon actually believes there's lies. there's this information. then there was a former defense minister from ukraine and he said the people crimea, although ukrainians they claim the russians, but there are fact ukrainians, they just don't know their ukrainians. and we're going to help them to remember that they're your koreans, which of course, what is the say nato and ukraine. they have a plan of ethnic cleansing, murder executions, ethnic cleansing. that is their plan, that is their vision for crimea for done. but if they succeed, and this is why russia's fighting so hard because it has to protect those 7000000

people, had to pick to protect the rights their lives, their property. so russia is going to fight the bitter in the residence of those regions are going to fight to the bitter end to protect themselves from what would be a mass, horrible crime, a mass murder, if nato and ukraine, when? well, john, i'm glad you brought that up. tom, there was a, a media expert. apparently i'm not going to user name a ukrainian woman that went on twitter and said she basically wanted the extermination of all russians in the destruction of russia. and it's still there. i mean people, i mean they, they're promoting ethnic cleansing here. and i'm really glad that john went through the litany of things that he talked about here. because we don't take these issues into account. you can't understand why this complex started and certainly not how it's going to end. because just to take one thing that john just said, i mean russia is never going to allow ethnic cleansing of, of russians,

no matter where. ok, that's a starting point here. that is not an accepted point in the west. go ahead tom. no, i, i agree with all that. and i think there's also the, the route of this conflict are all so much deeper than that as well. in terms of the big g o political game board as well. so you have to take into account the great power struggle that's happening here. we have a we have a failing western financial system which we know is failing and is being challenged now by the global south led by russia, china. and to all of us rec center, ron. and that, and the, the big shift of energy east versus having followed, having for west previously. i think that in a sense all of this is kind of, that's the real backdrop here. and the people whose lives are being snuffed out over this are be held in the they're ultimately dest collateral damage. it's like, yeah, i don't see anything different from the western leaders that i saw from mattel albright

about the us, a nation of iraq. you know, 505-0000 data rocky children. well go, you know, little, their sacrifice was been worth it or whatever. she said it was just, it's, there's, these are psychopaths and, and they don't really see the human cost of this. and they don't really care about the human cost of it. so there is no basis for negotiation from my, from my perspective. well, you're jumping ahead of me because i essentially believe the same thing. you know, nick, you know, living in the us and, you know, and i've been watching way before february 24th of last year, is that there is no conflicts conceptualization of what was going on at the time. and i watch american media right now and everything about ukraine without nothing about ukraine without ukraine, but they don't even really talk about the nature of the regime in kev whatsoever. okay. and the barrel and ethnic nationalism that is propagated by that regime which the united states is supporting with over

a $100000000000.00. and who know it's kevin mccarthy might not be able to resist in another 100000000000 will come their way. not even the nature of the regime is portrayed correctly with a few exceptions like tucker carlson. go ahead. nick, you're absolutely right. the zalinski regime, the regime are propping up in ukraine, is an ultra nationalist regime infested with nazi elements. it is a dictatorship, essentially, it has band opposition parties. it has consolidated the media and band, the free press into one national entity. it has band trade unions and collective bargaining. and so these are all supposedly values that the liberal west, the united states in europe celebrate. and yet there, upholding this dictatorship. i think that you have to go back to the promise not to expand nato one inch to the east to contextualize this conflict. and to answer your original question as well as to where, how this conflict well,

and i think that one of the possibilities that you didn't raise that there is an increasing likelihood with each passing day. is nuclear war. good point. because the neocons in this country in the united states, they have so invested them yourself in a victory over russia. they've openly declared their intent to break russia up, in fact, to balkanized that into multiple different countries. that that becomes more and more likely as gen stalled and burg said, just a couple of months ago. he said that this is, this war is risking becoming a direct war between the united states and russia or world war. and in fact, the ukrainian foreign minister, just admitted events minister just admitted that in fact, they are fighting on behalf of nato. so the pretext has completely fallen off this war. it is a nato war against russia. it is a world war and we have a stealthy birthday saying, but we're not part of the conflict. we're not

a cobra ledger. i mean the guys, he's a lunatic. absolute luna take care. john i had my producers. i send out all 3 of you. an article from responsible, statecraft. and the reason why i did it, it was imbedded in the questions that i also sent out is that the u. s. is, has all these ideas about how to end the conflict? well, it's almost kind of inviting an arsonist to put out a fire. i mean, it, it is really quite, it's a, it's on the lunatic fringe. the country that is instigated it is the one that's going to determine it's outcome. what we hubris is that go ahead job. so it's very clear that they can only be one man standing. this is a fight to the death. is either russia wins, or nato slash. well, the u. s. slash nato wins. so lips have no allusion, is going to be no peace talks. there's going to be no negotiations. there could be truth, temporary truth, that's possible, but then it will just heat up again in 6 months. and at the end of the day,

there has to be one victor. the us. yes, has made it very clear that they want destruction of russia. no officials come out and officially said that, but all the nato journalists, all the american journalists, think tanks x, so called experts, they've all said that, which makes it clear that's the policy of the white house. so russia cannot, obviously, is not going to accept this and think about it, a war being fought right on. russia's border, who has the group has the advantage of simply logistically, geographically. russia is a huge advantage. and by the way, i'm going to point, i'm going to say that i think ukrainian trout, i think, for nato and nato might think it's true for russia. no, no, no. well, the travel john, for me, i think it's a trap. they, what they did was they created a trap for russia. russia took into a, went in to protect it, to ethnic russians. but the ultimate trap is the destruction of nato. and i'm looking forward to that tom, go before we go to the break, go ahead. yeah,

i would say that this is the been my read on the situation as well, from the beginning as well. peter, i went back to the, at the beginning of the conflict. i thought that i asked the question, who's cauldron, is this anyway you're out? so, referencing russian encirclement military strategy is like and it has very clearly a talk about the roots of the conflicts been fighting a war of attrition, economic, political attrition against the west, not just the states, but also europe for over 8 years now. and it's, it's a multi front war, it's part of the strategy and syria. we can bring in the other version piece talk between syria and turkey as a nother front in this war. and we also can talk about the, for the fight in the financial sectors as well over, you know, the price of oil and, and an oil and gas and everything else. those are all part of this. this is not just a kinetic war between the nato back ukrainian armed forces and russian forces. this is a multi lack of a better term, multi polar or multi theater war. it's financial,

it's so it's, it's simple magic. it's political and it. and it's going to continue until as i think, as the other said, i, which i agree with, which is confusion, had to be one clear victor. and at this point, we're not sure who that's going to be well and nick on the 20th, on the day. no hint, depending on the, the cod, depending on the 20 seconds before the nick, we want to react to that before we go to the break 20 seconds. that's absolutely correct. and then that's what i was saying and saying that the pretext has fallen off. this is a world war right now. it is clear that and, and, and russia correctly regards this as a world war as a nato war against against russia. all right, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break will continue our discussion on war in pete, stay with us. ah ah, ah

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where are you being that somewhere which direction? what is true? what is faith? in the world corrupted you need to descend. ah, so join us in the depths will remain in the shallows. ah, welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter a bell to remind you we're discussing war and peace. ah. okay, go back to john in new york. i mean, i, again, i read all of these think tank papers and, and all this, it is not a whole lot of thinking going on in these places. unfortunately, john, i mean, the way i look at it, and i think has already been said here on this program, is it? well, why would russia get involved in any negotiations with france,

with germany, with the united states? i mean, what happened with the minsk accords? ok, they've all admitted that they were lying. they were deceitful. i mean, russia doesn't have an interlocutor, it's certainly not going to talk to the, the regime in care of. i mean, they pass laws where you can't talk to the russians and that was always but by the behest of the united states. mean they, they talk of a ceasefire and armesis. it's ridiculous because russia i can, might to wait my reading of it is, they don't want to do this again in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years now. they want a resolution to it. and that resolution is respecting russia, security demands, which were not taken seriously in december of 2021 john in new york. yeah. but there's also a bigger context here. we know the whole world pretty much the whole world except for those countries are allied with the united states or under american domination . so most of the world, they're just sick and tired of american hedging money. they're sick and tired of

american peerless. you know, let's forget the, let's not to get the context 2020 years of war against the islamic world invasions and massacres and genocide, and horrible bombings. we can even go back. we can go back to serbia as well. so the world is sick of it because in a lot of the world, a silently cheering on russia supporting russia because they know that russia goes over next. it can be american gunboats off their shores, or american plains or their skies at any moment. so many countries, especially in africa, middle east middle east of course. 2 southeast asia, they really support russia because they want to see a new world order. a world water that is based on mutual respect between countries where there is not a dominant headman was always invading and bombing, and threatening, inch, and destroying. the people want to have a new world order in russia, leaving it together with china, with india. and that this is a really golden opportunity in world history. we have a chance to build a new world order based on mutual respect based on the original principles of the

united nations. i'm american and i'm really sad. i would make clear of very sad to say all this, i'm really, really set up to say it as i grew up in the american government system, you know, my family has been serving uncle sam for 60 years. i disagree with it. well, and i don't, you know, john, i'm an american to ok and i've seen with this foreign policy is done to working people middle class people. they're the ones that always have to pick up the pick up that that they have to shed their blood to ok. and in these mandarins, they go from one air condition to office to another, to start another war. and they never are held to account. ok, sorry for my little speech right there. tom is, has already been brought up here and i think it's really important here, righteous isolated, russia has no friends. it's just a reverse. the west is isolating itself, and i would even go further and i don't want to step on next toes here, but it's a cultural thing too. it's anthropological. the woke ism,

the ma postmodernism, most of the world is not interested in any of that whatsoever. the west is isolating itself and the u. s. this destroying its most powerful tool, the dollar. go ahead. huh. yeah, i agree with that and i and i share the sentiment of the other speaker about about having, you know, the criticisms i have in my government are deep and abiding and, and virulent. i just always want to remind everybody as well that like we, we learn that from some, some other people and they're there. and they live in europe, especially learn to from the brits, who have also been the of subjugating the arab world and the subcontinent for a 150 years or a couple 100 years. and you know, we're now just there with just the tip of their sphere. they're inheritors of this . so and it's it and the, so the whole system yes, does need to be torn down. and the interesting part about this is that, and this is where i think everybody should kind of take a step back and really start to look at what's i think actually happening in the under, you know, in the undercurrents of the political drama that's playing out. which is everybody

where the brain is going, we're, we're like, slouching towards world war 3 is really what we want. and what i'm spinning to see is the, the beginnings and the stirrings of a counter revolution at the top of the political us structure in the united states . i really do believe that i think that on a number of the new york banks, i've looked at the situation, the federal reserve has looked at the situation. so this is unsustainable. this is what we can do to bring the to bring the an effect, bring the empire home. i made the point the other day. i was talking to somebody on twitter and somebody said, well, they're always been behind all the friggin wars with the bankers behind were one and we're, we're to us it. yeah. but there's no blood to be gotten from middle class anymore. you, you, the banks don't care where they land, dolan domestic to rebuild the us as we come home. again, look at turkey and look at the situation, syria, iraq, very carefully. because the, the u. s. is going to have to come home and ignore many people, both of those places. and the sentiment here in the us is yes,

let's get those people how well much they tried to sell us a more in ukraine. well, nick, this is a perfect segue for people like yourself that are looking for a 3rd way looking for an alternative because i, i tend to think you're probably more on the progressive side. i'm on the conservative side, but here we are both of us together here. there's a lot of commonalities right here, and this is what the powers that be don't want. they don't want people like you and i did talk because we might agree on a few things. go ahead, nick. that's right, peter. that's exactly right. because people understand after decades and decades of these endless wars, that these are as much a war, a deep state wall street see a military industrial complex war against the american people as it is a war against iraq, libya, syria, russia, ukraine. these wars are, are freedoms are being liquidated in the united states, in the name of the wars our freedom of speech. we found out through the twitter

fire revelations recently that the read that the pentagon and the f b i, c, i a are involved in actually curtailing free speech. the 1st amendment were being master veiled in this country. the 4th amendment has essentially been nullified. so we're sacrificing our freedoms both parties that we have major parties that we have in this country are war party, the democratic and the republican party, the democrat parties actually leading the charge or war. now, more than a $100000000000.00 authorized for ukraine in weapons and military aid by both parties, that's on top of the $858000000000.00 military budget that we have. and you're absolutely right. peter, people are finally rising up against these wars in the united states. in fact, as the people's party, we've come together with a party that we have many disagreements with the libertarian party and many others . the peace in ukraine coalition world beyond war. many other organizations to

actually host a rally and a march against these wars on february 19th at the lincoln memorial. it's rage against the war machine. thousands of people are going to come to washington, d. c. and we are saying we have had enough with these wars that are costing our freedoms, costing our tax dollars and killing people abroad in the name of this delusional objective of maintaining american hegemony in the 2000 and century. what do you know, john? did the sad thing about it? i mean, i think a lot of my viewers a long time ago realize that i was banned from you tube. here. i've never seen such a camp propaganda campaign against alternative idea. i mean, saying, well, i don't really agree, there's a, because you, you know, russia, you live here. how do you see the characterization of this conflict and russia in western media since you're in the belly of the beast? go ahead as, as you mentioned, as you know,

i worked with the major media 15 years of foreign correspondents. so i still have many contacts and friends. there are no way i should say i had because because of this issue with ukraine, we have parted ways. i've had very good conversations with them. i've called them liars because they are liars. they are fabricating false narrative. the promoting false narrative, the pentagon narratives. right? do you remember there was a time when, if you were a journalist now you had to be wherever the pentagon said was bad and you will always automatically opposition to whatever, whatever the pentagon said and, and now today the opposite. you have to be, you, you curry favor with the pentagon, you immediately say yes, yes, yes. let's go with the pentagon narrative, i mean, journalists, american journalist, british as well. so this is really strange journalism. well, it's not journalism, quite this. she is pure, pure war propaganda. it's is a real, obviously very painful topic for me because i did work so many years in the major media and i have so many friends over this issue. but things are going to change. i

don't think changing my colleague who just spokes is more optimistic. i'm more pessimistic. i don't see that people are really rising up. i don't see any changes in the mass media and for some people to rise up is going to have to be a revolution. is that the mass media because of the mass media such enormous power over how americans see the world? because they don't have time to do research or that what's really happening ukraine, they just repeat the talking points on nbc, cnn your times. so it has really want to change something. it's got to start by changing something inside the american media. yeah, well i mean one thing you can do is what i do a lot is i turned it off. i mean i'm just, i don't want to participate not participating in. ok. i think chomsky said something like that. tom, how does is, where do we go from here? because i don't see any reason in the world why russia is going to refrain from what it's doing. it's going to, it doesn't care what the german chancellor says. sergeant shoulds or whoever's the for minister in pet?

no, they don't care about these things. i mean, jake sullivan, you care what he has to say. i don't. okay. and that unfortunately i do. well, what about my point is a lot of a more and more people around the world. what's called the global south. i called the global majority because that's what it is. the global majority. they're taking the west less and less serious. they're not as afraid of the west as they used to, and they certainly don't respect it any more. one last minute. go to you, tom. go ahead. sure. i would say the, the following. peter, which is that? yes, we are the, i think the part of this, this exercise is to dealer jeremiah united states a certain level, this of, of kind of fundamental weird thing that's happening here, where it's almost like where the is that the u. s. is being pushed into the role of being the evil bad guy that is create that this creating the conflicts around the world and trying to get a self involved in a couple of world wars that clearly cannot fight from a logistical perspective. and this is where we look at, we look at the,

a war material production numbers and what not there. there's no way that the united states could fight those a multi front war against russian china. so that's, that's a non starter. she got to say, michael or that's the case and then then why are they doing this? yeah, well i think what we're going to do is what we're having all, i think all of us would agree in our body. and still, there is a reckoning in front of us right now. and i started out by saying, you know, happy new year to all you guys and, and i'm, i was convinced that this will be a better year. i'm not, unfortunately, it's going to be another turbulent year. that's all the time we have gentlemen. i want to thank my guests in washington, new york, and in north florida. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember process ah

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with so use little to you is now completely following the american dictates. europe has lost its independence to serve american interest in the geopolitical containment of russia and china. russia is foreign minister, state state e. u is that the best seller of the united states is conducting a proxy war against moscow in ukraine. also head on the program, this our messaging planes, washington for stealing oil from syria saying 60 tigers. full of the country's top resorts being looted by us forces since just the beginning of the year.