ah, ah, in 1834 france invaded algeria, and straight away the french started inhabiting it to strengthen their position. the colonists, known as p a. no, ours took the best land from day one, the local population was put into an unequal position and was brutally exploited. this caused mass discontent. the people of algeria began their long term fight for independence. in 1954, the banner of freedom was raised by the national liberation front. a guerrilla war against the occupants broke out. the french tried to suppress to rebellion using cruel measures. all villages were wiped out acts of georgia and executions of civil

people, including pregnant women, children, and old people took place more than 2000000 people were put into concentration camps. however, these punitive measures didn't help the algerian patriots managed to induce france to start these negotiations. in 1962 evian records were signed, voting algeria on the past towards independence. but this was achieved at a colossal price. algeria by rights is considered to be a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians, the french colonists are responsible for the deaths of one and a half 1000000 algerians. ah, ah.

the hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . how will the conflict in ukraine and to cease fire armesis frozen conflict or defeat for either ukraine or russia? this is the question so called think tanks all across the western world. they're asking the problem with this approach that it lacks intellectual and moral honesty . we must address why this conflict started in the 1st place, the cross talking war in peace. i'm joined by my guess, john bertolli in new york. he is a political analyst, as well as a former foreign correspondent in russia in washington. and we have nick bronner. he is the chair of the people's party of the united states and in north florida, we have one go. he is the publisher of gold goats in guns, blog,

and newsletter or dealing cross type roles. and that means again jumping. anytime you want, i always appreciated. let me, let me go to john new york 1st. you know, john? i mean, i watch all these think tanks, you know, responsible state crap, you know, the american conservative anti war dot com, which i have, you know, basically positive attitudes towards in general. but very specifically, the way they approach the how this conflict in ukraine is going to end. they, they're not very interest interested in contextualizing it how we got here in the 1st place. because i would posit, and i have ever since the complex started that the ending, well has to take into account how it all started. and it western leads and the be, well, the foreign policy blob is that we're just doesn't want to go there because there's a lot of culpability there. go ahead in new york, the routes for this conflicts are protecting the rights of the aggression and don boss in crimea, and absolutely nobody in the west wants to address that issue. they don't even want to talk about it. in fact, i was recently on a atlantic council webinar,

atlanta counselor. as you know, it's a think tank based thing for the pentagon from the ca for the national security state. and they deny the fact that there are ethnic russians who are native residents of crimea, and they deny this fact general wesley court clark claims that the russians living crimea are migrate. they just came in the past few years, right? moscow sent them to crimea in order to stick a claim to premier in the past few years. wesley clark, you know, top general, the pentagon actually believes as lies as this information. then there was a former defense ministry from ukraine and he said the people in crimea, although ukrainians, they claim the russians, but they're in fact ukrainian, they just don't know their ukrainians. and we're going to help them to remember that they're your koreans, which of course, what does it say, nato and ukraine? they have a plan of ethnic cleansing, murder executions,

ethnic cleansing. that is their plan. that is their vision for crimea for done. but if they succeed, and this is why russia's fighting so hard because it has to protect those 7000000 people have to pick to protect the rights their lives, their property. so russia is going to fight to the bitter in the residence of those regions. i'm going to fight to the bitter end to protect themselves from what would be a mass, horrible crime, a mass murder, if nato and ukraine, when? well, john, i'm glad you brought that up. tom, there was a, a media expert. apparently, i'm not going to user name a ukrainian woman that went on twitter and said she basically wanted the extermination of all russians and the destruction of russia. and it's still there. i mean, people, i mean they, they're promoting ethnic cleansing here. and i'm really glad that john went through the litany of things that he talked about here because we don't take these issues into account. you can't understand why this conflicts started and certainly not how it's going to end. because just to take one thing that john just said,

i mean rush is never going to allow ethnic cleansing of, of russians, no matter where. ok, that's a starting point here. that is not an accepted point in the west. go ahead tom. no, i, i agree with all that, and i think there's also the, the roots of this conflict are also much deeper than that as well. in terms of the big g o political game board as well, you have to take into account the great power struggle that's happening here. we have a we have a failing western financial system which we know is failing and is being challenged now by the global south led by russia, china. and 2 of us were extend iran. and that ended the big shift of energy east versus having followed. having fought west previously, i think that in a sense all of this is kind of, that's the real backdrop here. and the people whose lives are being snuffed out over this are in the, they're ultimately dest collateral damage. it's like, yeah,

i don't see anything different from the western leaders that i saw from madeline albright about the us invasion of iraq. you know, 505-0000 data, rocky children will go, you know, little their sacrifice all been working or whatever. she said it was just, it's there's, these are like a pass and, and they don't really see the human cost of this and they don't really care about the human cost of it. so there is no basis for negotiation from my, from my perspective. well, you're jumping ahead of me because i actually believe the same thing. you know, nick, you know, living in the us and, you know, and i've been watching way before february 24th of last year, is that there is no conflict contextualization of what was going on at the time. and i watch american media right now and everything about ukraine without nothing about ukraine without ukraine, but they don't even really talk about the nature of the regime in kev whatsoever. ok, and the,

the barrel and ethnic nationalism that is propagated by that regime which the united states is supporting with over a $100000000000.00. and who know is kevin mccarthy might not be able to resist in another 100000000000 will come their way. not even the nature of the regime is betrayed correctly with a few exceptions like tucker carlson. go ahead. nick, you're absolutely right. does lensky regime, the regime we're propping up in ukraine, is an ultra nationalist regime infested with nazi elements. it is a dictatorship, essentially, it has banned opposition party. it has consolidated the media and band, the free press into one national entity. it has band trade unions and collective bargaining. and so these are all supposedly values that the liberal west, the united states in europe celebrate. and yet there, upholding this dictatorship. i think that you have to go back to the promise not to

expand nato one inch to the east to contextualize this conflict. and to answer your original question as well as to where, how this conflict well, and i think that one of the possibilities that you didn't raise that there is an increasing likelihood with each passing day. is nuclear war. good point. because the neocons in this country in the united states, they have so invested them yourself in a victory over russia. they've openly declared their intent to break russia up, in fact, to balkanized that into multiple different countries. that that becomes more and more likely. as gen stalson berg said, just a couple of months ago, he said that this is, this war is risking becoming a direct war between the united states and russia or world war. and in fact, the ukrainian foreign minister just admitted the events minister just admitted that in fact, they are fighting on behalf of nato. so the pretext has completely fallen off this

war. it is a nato war against russia. it is a world war and we have a like spelt the birthday saying, but we're not part of the conflict. we're not a cobra le ledger. i mean the guys, he's a lunatic. absolutely. take care. john. i had my producers send out all 3 of you, an article from responsible, statecraft. and the reason why i did it, it was imbedded in the questions that i also sent out is that the u. s. is, has all these ideas about how to end the conflict? well, it's almost kind of inviting an arsonist to put out a fire. i mean, it, it is really quite, it's a, it's on the lunatic fringe. the country that is instigated it is the one that's going to determine it's outcome. what we hubris is that go ahead job. so it's very clear that they can only be one man standing. this is a fight to the death is either russia win, or nato slash. well, the u. s. slash nato wins. so let's have no allusion is going to be no peace talks is going to be no negotiations. there could be truth temporary truth, right?

that's possible. but then it will just heat up again in 6 months. and at the end of the day there has to be one victor at the us. yes. has made it very clear that they want destruction of russia. ok. no officials come out and officially said that, but all the nato journalists, all the american journalists, think tanks x, so called experts, they've all said that, which makes it clear that's the policy of the white house. so russia cannot, obviously, is not going to accept this and think about it, a war being fought right on russian border. who has the group has the advantage simply logistically, geographically russia is a huge advantage. and by the way, i'm going to point, i'm going to say that i think ukrainian trout, i think, for nato and nato might think it's true for russia. no, no, no. well, the travel john, for me, i think it's a trap. they, what they did was they created a trap for russia. russia took into a went in to protect its ethnic russians. but the ultimate trap is the destruction

of nato. and i'm looking forward to that tom. good before we go to the break, go ahead. yeah, i would say that this is the been my read on the situation as well, from the beginning as well. peter, i went back to the, at the beginning of the conflict. i thought that the, i asked the question, who's cauldron, is there any way you're out? so, referencing russian encirclement military strategy is like and it and putting has very clearly it will talk about the roots of the conflicts been fighting a war of attrition, economic, political attrition against the west and not just the states, but also europe for over 8 years. now, and it's, and it's a multi front war, it's part of the strategy and syria. we can bring in the other burdening piece talk between syria and turkey as a nother front in this war. and we also can talk about the, the fight in the financial sectors as well over, you know, the price of oil and oil and gas and everything else. those are all part of this. this is not just a kinetic war between the nato back ukranian armed forces and russian forces. this

is a multi, well, i can better term multi polar or multi theater war. it's financial, it's, it's, it's diplomatic, it's political and it, and it's going to continue until as i think, as the other said, i, which i agree with, which is going to be one clear, victor. and at this point we're not sure who that's going to be. well, nick, 20, depending on the cod, depending on the 20 seconds before the next, we want to react to that before we go to the reg 20 seconds. it's absolutely correct. and then that's what i was saying and saying that the pretext has fallen off. this is a world war right now. it is clear that and, and, and russia correctly regards this as a world war as a nato war against against russia. all right, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break amount about heartbreak. we'll continue our discussion on war in pete . stay with us. ah,

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there's a new build us with that they should i see that yes. to notice the shipper that we're still a isn't when are you know, but it will be love, us, get to know something. welcome back to crossfire were all things are considered? i'm peter a bell to remind you we're discussing war and peace. ah . okay, go back to john in new york. i mean, again, i read all of these think tank papers and, and all this is not a whole lot of thinking going on in these places. unfortunately, john, i mean, the way i look at it, and i thank already been said here on this program, is it? well, why would russia get involved in any negotiations with france, with germany, with the united states? i mean, what happened with the minister records?

ok, they've all admitted that they were lying. they were deceitful. i mean, russia doesn't have an interlocutor, it's certainly not going to talk to the, the regime in care of. i mean, they pass laws what you can talk to the russians. and that was always by the behest of the united states. i mean they, they talk of a cease fire and armistice. it's ridiculous because russia, i can, might the way my reading of it is. they don't want to do this again in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years now, they want a resolution to it. and that resolution is respecting russia, security demand, which were not taken seriously in december of 2021 john in new york. yeah, but there's also a bigger context here. we know the whole world pretty much the whole world except for those countries are allied with united states or under american domination. so most of the world, they're just sick and tired of american hedge and they're sick and tired of american peerless. let's forget the, let's not forget the context 2020 years of war against the islamic world. invasions

and massacres and genocide, and horrible bombings. we can even go back, we can go back to serbia as well. so the world is sick of it because in a lot of the world, a silently cheering on russia supporting russia because they know that if russia goes well their next, they can be american gunboats off their shores or american plains, over their skies at any moment. so many countries, especially in africa, the middle east, middle east, of course, southeast asia. they really support russia because they want to see a new world order. a world water that is based on mutual respect between countries where there is not a dominant headman was always invading and bombing, and threatening, inched and destroying the people want to have a new world order in russia, leaving it together with china with india. and that this is a really golden opportunity in world history. we have a chance to build a new world order based on mutual respect based on the original principles of the united nations. you know, i'm american, and i'm really sad. i wanna make clear,

i'm very sad to say all this, i'm really, really set up to say that i grew up in the american government system in my family has been serving august and for 60 years. i disagree with it. well, and i don't, you know, john, i'm an american to ok and i've seen with this foreign policy is done to working people middle class people. they're the ones that always have to pick up the pick up that they have to shed their blood to ok. and in these mandarins, they go from one air condition to office to another, to start another war. and they never had are held to account. ok, sorry for my little speech right there. tom is, has already been brought up here and i think it's really important here, righteous isolated, russia has no friends. it's just a reverse. the west is isolating itself. and i would even go further and i don't want to step on nick stows here, but it's a cultural thing too. it's anthropological. the woke ism, the ma postmodernism, most of the world is not interested in any of that whatsoever. the west is

isolating itself and the u. s. this destroying its most powerful tool, the dollar. go ahead tom. yeah, i agree with that and i and i share the sentiment of the other speaker about about having, you know, the criticisms i have in my government are deep and abiding and, and virulent. i just always want to remind everybody as well that like we, we learned that from some, some other people in there and they live in europe. especially. we learn from the brits, who have also been the of subjugating the arab world and the sub continent for 150 years or a couple 100 years. and, you know, we're now just there with just the tip of their sphere. they're inheritors of this . so and it's it and the so the whole system yes, does need to be torn down. and the interesting part about this is that, and this is where i think everybody should kind of take a step back and really start to look at what's i think actually happening in the under, you know, in the undercurrents of the political drama that's playing out. which is everybody where the brain is going, we're, we're like, slouching towards world war 3 is really what we want. and what i'm spinning to see

is the, the beginnings and the stirrings of a counter revolution at the top of the political us structure in the united states . i really do believe that i think that on a number of the new york banks, i've looked at the situation, the federal reserve is looked at the situation. so this is unsustainable. this is what we can do to bring the to bring the an effect, bring the empire home. i made the point the other day. i was talking somebody on twitter and somebody said, well, they're always been behind all the friggin wars with the bankers behind were one and we're, we're to us it. yeah. but there's no blood to be gotten from middle class anymore. you, you, the banks don't care where they land, dolan domestic to rebuild the us as we come home. again, look at the turkey and look at the situation, syria, iraq, very carefully. because the u. s. is going to have to come home. and in a moment he has to be from both of those places. and the sentiment here in the us is yes, look at those people, how well much they tried to sell us more in ukraine. well, nick, this is a perfect segue for people like yourself that are looking for

a 3rd way looking for an alternative because i, i tend to think you're probably more on the progressive side. i'm on the conservative side, but here we are both of us together here. there's a lot of commonalities right here. and this is what the powers that be don't want. they don't want people like you and i to talk because we might agree on a few things. go ahead, nick. that's right, peter. that's exactly right. because people understand after decades and decades of these endless wars, that these are as much a war, a deep state wall street see a military industrial complex war against the american people as it is a war against iraq, libya, syria, russia, ukraine. these wars are, are freedoms are being liquidated in the united states, in the name of the wars our freedom of speech. we found out through the twitter fire revelations recently that the read that the pentagon and the f b i,

the c a are involved in actually curtailing free speech. the 1st amendment were being master availed in this country. the 4th amendment has essentially been nullified. so we're sacrificing our freedoms both parties that we have major parties that we have in this country. our war party, the democratic, and the republican party, the democrat party, is actually leading the charge or war. now, more than a 100000000000 authorized for ukraine in weapons. and military aid by both parties, that's on top of the $858000000000.00 military budget that we have. and you're absolutely right. peter, people are finally rising up against these wars in the united states. in fact, as the people's party, we've come together with a party that we have many disagreements with the libertarian party and many others . the peace in ukraine coalition world beyond war. many other organizations to actually host a rally and a march against these wars on february 19th at the lincoln memorial. it's rage

against the war machine. thousands of people are going to come to washington d. c. and we are saying we have had enough with these wars that are costing our freedoms, costing our tax dollars and killing people abroad in the name of this delusional objective of maintaining american hegemony in the 2000 and for century. what you know, john did the sad thing about it. i mean, i think a lot of my viewers long time ago realize that i was banned from you tube here. i've never seen such a camp propaganda campaign against alternative idea. i mean, saying, well, i don't really agree, there's like, because you, you know, russia, you live here. how do you see the characterization of this conflict and russia in western media since you're in the belly of the beast? go ahead as, as you mentioned, as you know, i worked with the major media 15 years of foreign correspondents. so i still have many contacts and friends. there are no way i should say i had because because of

this issue with ukraine, we have parted ways. i've had very heated conversations with them. i'm outright called them liars because they are liars. they are fabricating false narrative, the promoting false narrative, the pentagon narratives. right? do you remember there was a time when, if you were a journalist now you had to be wherever the pentagon said was bad and you will always automatically opposition to whatever, whatever the pentagon said and, and now today the opposite. you have to be, you, you curry favor with the pentagon, you immediately say yes, yes, yes. let's go with the kids. got narrative. i mean, journalists, american journalist, british as well. so this is really strange journalism. well, it's not journalism quite as she is pure, pure war propaganda. it's is a real, obviously very painful topic for me because i did work so many years in the major media and i have so many friends over this issue, but nothing's going to change. i don't have been changing my colleague who just spokes is more optimistic. i'm more pessimistic. i don't see that people are really

rising up. i don't see any changes in the mass media. for some people to rise up, there's going to have to be a revolution inside the mass media because the mass media such enormous power over how americans see the world, because they don't have time to do research. or that what's really happening, ukraine, they just repeat the talking points on nbc, cnn your times. so it has really want to change something. it's got to start by changing something inside the american media. yeah, well i mean one thing you can do is what i do a lot if i turn it off. i mean i'm just, i don't want to participate not participating in. ok. i think chomsky said something like that. tom, how does this, where do we go from here? because i don't see any reason in the world why russia is going to refrain from what it's doing. it's going to, it doesn't care what the german chancellor says. sergeant shoulds or whoever is the for minister in pet? no, they don't care about these things. i mean, jake sullivan, you care what he has to say. i don't. ok. and that unfortunately, i do well,

what my point is, a lot of a more and more people around the world, what's called the global south. i called the global majority because that's what it is. the global majority. they're taking the west less and less serious. they're not as afraid of the west as they used to, and they certainly don't respect it anymore. one last minute. go to you, tom. go ahead. sure. i would say that the following peter, which is that? yes, we are the, i think the part of this, this exercise is to dealer jeremiah the united states a certain level, this of, of kind of fundamental, weird thing that's happening here, where it's almost like where the is that the d u. s. is being pushed into the role of being the evil bad guy that is create that this creating the conflicts around the world and trying to get a self involved in a couple of world wars that clearly cannot fight from a logistical perspective. and this is where we look at what we'll get to the war material production numbers and what not there. there's no way that the united

states could fight those a multi front war against russian china. so that's, that's a non starter. she got to say, well that's the case and then then why are they doing this? yeah, well i think what we're going to do is what we're having all, i think all of us would agree in our body. and still, there is a reckoning in front of us right now. and i started out by saying, you know, happy new year to all you guys and, and i'm, i was convinced that this will be a better year. i'm not, unfortunately, it's going to be another turbulent year. it's all the time we have gentlemen. i want to thank my guest in washington, new york, and in north florida. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. next time. remember crossing ah, a

a jagger's archipelago coma that you go san diego garcia, the largest island in the archipelago, is now the location of a very large u. s. military base. you could go the med div i to the u. s. government to make a military base and just deported or douglas and people from their country. so they call it returned back on the island. no, no, but we are fighting. that's why i'm flat. we'll fighting for the right. so i, we do not consider that the right to self determination actually applies to the trickle. since i don't the question of self determination, the legal advice we've received is actually the trickle. since we're not at all,

not a people for me, it's time to move on and see what we can do. a full the tumbler said committee to return back home. there is no support from the nomination. i commission, i forget united michelle don't care about juggler. said people is she level cock or c de my down there come in muslim when jack is. yeah. do 0 charge. yeah, lou, chuck shonda. matt romero. yes. lesandra murphy there. yeah. and peter is not on my job. mostly on break lunch is leslie said on i was just a mom to let you know, since we tried to get into the prison to meet the merger. cuz he suspect on her side of the story about what took place in godaddy.