oh, i yes, amazing to see people share, right. because as men we talk about being strong unami, everybody wants to be strong man, but you know, we might be physically strong but you know, are we emotionally weak? my son got incarcerated here. and i learned, my biggest fear was and he goes back into a di,

had on the board about memory. my, my says great friends is charles policy. and he said, your son used to say he wish you could come to prison just so you can be with you in that moment i said, this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to, to do. they say, you said if you were thinking you is dead, you never too old to find that peace. which of children which yourself. mm hm. this prison is me into more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are

a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if give an opportunity. mm. ah, everybody's watch and everything they do. everywhere they go everywhere they gather . they have to really, really, really be above board to make this happen. they have to worry about being put in the whole they have to worry about being moved to another prison depending on how hard they pushed. they don't wanna be too vocal because they don't want to be signal out of a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn . they can move them at any time. they could be take, you know, just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. mm. i'm pretty sure they still, doubtless, all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the

thing that you can't argue. cameras in every classroom, by soon as we got a classroom camera start coming up with them because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what happened. but as good. not only put a camera in here, you can come and sit in our classroom. when you learn to with maturity, you think passively to use once intelligence without the guidance of another. a cat is conveying, is that no one, not even a one art or making impede enlightenment of the public eye. okay. okay. um i thought it was, i thought it was a difficult read pull. i thought it was difficult. i mean, that's what i graph of from it. you know, i'm not enough. i'm right or wrong. this is my so and it's not about right or wrong is about interpretation. no one can say of your interpretation is wrong. we don't

have a manual, can't hear to be able to ask them, what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because there's a lot of people here who are under. i see that that we are kind of expanding our boundaries as prisoners if somebody is lying to you, if somebody is a guy, i'm always been so scared about how i've looked on the death of corey, how him being a young college kid and me being just you know, some hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become or my manager

has something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody was really ever give me a chance. ah, washington state does not have pool wiped out for role in the early ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant senses. other words, i'm going to send to you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced, doesn't matter what you do in prison. that's your sense. washington has started to figure out that system is not very jobs, but it doesn't work. and so they've started to bring parole back, actually brought parole back for sex offences. and the other group is juvenile is kemati, had committed the crime. $61.00 days earlier, each 2 months passed his 18th birthday. he will been in juvenile and he'd be

eligible for parole. today, problem with punishment, the problem with setting a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years. ah, it was never really something that i was intending to have while i got curious i because there was a lot of people who are actually going home to crunch. the 1st thing i did is i've kind of started writing letters to some attorneys about what was the possibility within a week, you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call. he said that doing my clinic, it would be something that he will be willing to do. today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodity sense,

asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time served to let him go the different family members that have been to prison and seen him even some went in spoke with him different people tell me he's changing, he's trying to be a better person at that point where he wasn't ready to accept then ah, i had thought about reaching out so i would start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably maybe 6 or 7 times and then i just said okay, forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, kimani send me a message. i read it. i waited

a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother, she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled in as a spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his message that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago. i am not going to forget what happened at the but i forgave you. as i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive, you said not only am i for giving you for what you did, i have to forgive you to allow myself to lavon and to heal. ooh,

well will. he was in prison. his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the tools to be a mother. she grew up in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was in lavin. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love or she didn't have. she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter to death. and i'll always miss an ira and i would be 23 years old now that i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in olympia fighting for this bill. i mean i was a mother trying to fight for her son and i for people to get out and carroll. but

all these victims came in the 2nd year, and i thought we know well after the victims who you know, and i thought, you know what, maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill where they got to say i'm a victim and i am a guest, is bill i'm going to be, i'm a victim and i'm for this bill. now, we are in this dichotomous, either victim or you're a perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we understand we're all victims of the sister. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice meant and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had with the black prisons caucus over 20 years . ringback i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically we,

we contextualize what is happening so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior to each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people can atone for their actions and where the hand of forgiveness can be extend. the prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison. that every once in a while, prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplish something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that

commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison. and anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff. ah, we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied, somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances, merited in a change in his sentence. i think that is more about them being able to, to come on and become and not the money that i was. so, you know, i think that they deny me as because they haven't got past that point. you, me a call, you will not be charged for this. call. this call is from an inmate at day correction center. what's calls will be recorded and monitored if he was to block

anything because of this nature dial 7. now, to accept this call, press 5. now, to decline this call. hey, thank you. ah, ah. in 1834 france invaded algeria, and straight away the french started inhabiting it to strengthen their position. the colonists, known as p a. no, ours took the best land from day one, the local population was put into an unequal position and was brutally exploited. this caused mass discontent. the people of algeria began their long term fight for independence. in 1954,

the banner of freedom was raised by the national liberation front. a guerrilla war against the occupants broke out. the french tried to suppress to rebellion using cruel measures. full villages were wiped out packs of georgia and executions of civil people, including pregnant women children and old people took place more than 2000000 people were put into concentration camps. however, these punitive measures didn't help the algerian patriots managed to induce france to start these negotiations. in 1962 evian records were signed, voting algeria in the past, towards independence. but this was achieved at a colossal price. algeria by rights is considered to be a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians, the french colonists are responsible for the deaths of one and a half 1000000 algerians.

oh no, no, no changes. i do not want to prison or wash my social prison in. ah matter, worse must i lose faith. only matea long. what you dora, because you're helping the next person get out of jail. and can she the stay out of jo to be about her father? saw brother, personal society ah, the global shadow only you lock the hardware,

which of my interest is in people like commodity who worked on rehabilitation and who've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison. it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will. because i believe that somebody like community makes our community a better community. ah, this bang this, they're all on the same just in different stages of right so. so this only works yes for that one's really, really. right. and there's that will that turn proposal just different varieties i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th.

during that time i worked went to school and now i am still on monetary community, gusty and i live with my family. i'm just trying to, ah, your down. mm. free will, as it's all free or is not equitable. so if you have all the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources they have to open to me how. ready free am i to really choose and as long as society davies up opportunity and resources where a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to, for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are fool

society, the state, the government, institutions, all these words that we use that are big, an amorphous that, that we're trying to trying to make this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us with ours. you see about the war. why are we get about justice? right? what is justice? i'm with

what comes to mind when we hear the word justice with with more of them call room with enough. okay. was o corruption, co roma prison for brandon operation? oh mm hm. i don't wanna fail, but you guys are being a little bit negative, right? because justice is related to all the bad the the has has happened was right. so yeah, of course we can't, we go with the negative, right? because of all it is there. i mean, go room. well, been in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do

a justice system. yeah. okay. so, so let me, let me make kind of rephrase that. when i, when i think up, just as i seemed gone these pleasant by year and in theory by, in general with all the classes. if the one, if, if the one, the church justice i, because at some point in life there was something that was missing from ourselves. now cartoony that we never had. right? so by i was gonna be watching the chair is something new, something that can empower us. i think he's doing the church does. mm hm. jesse says the penalty or reward for one's actions. i say penalty or reward because justice can be serving a good way or so. i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me as some shape or form. and that to me is chest is the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me in a go and,

and bad things. i do actually come back to me in a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always watching just this is it is in a thing dislike. you know, if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice. but justice is even bigger than that. justice should control to the things that you're doing when nobody else is watching. awesome justice has to be individualized. justice has to ask, how is the community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? just that's a tough one. i'm not certain oliver know what justices justice . i'm not sure if i thought ever thought about that much just to our part in the

system and in the next part had to do their part the the lawyers on both sides in the judges. but i was still so good about the bar i did. oh, this is not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's a trip because we've got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison, could have the answers to our problems. ah, we do not believe that the people sleep under the bridge can have the answers to their reality. ah,

because we have people with ph. d and master's degrees, who then have been certified to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a system where we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan. they just change a name and it's gang. those brothers, no gang. so for all the classes that we offer to some, we can't wait just for people in prison, aaron's children have the solutions to our problems. and what we will do in 10 years, if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some mom, i will put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. don't think it's natural, ah, because i got the deal, see the deal t. the bed when detection center, the juvenile system, everybody's in the business, ah,

and they wait for the education system to fail. our babies so that they go in there . mm. want to blame d o c because it took a whole lot of institutions to get them there. we fail, we fail them in spite of that, they've got me . i them the spirit that we did not kill me . the me i that, that spirit that the genocide, that a kid,

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