gang ice flights, the life of members, their families on the community at large. so why is the alert to join one still so strong in the us, particularly in black neighborhood. it's a no holds barred look at violence on america streets and our documentary since i've been dying is next year from with yes, amazing to see people share, right. because as men, we talk about being strong unami, everybody wants to be strong, man, but you know, we might be physically strong, but you know, are we emotionally weak? my son got incarcerated here. and i learned, my biggest fear was and he goes back into a di, had on the board about memory. one of my sales gray friends is charles policy.

and he said, your son used to say he was, she could come to prison just so he can be with you. in that moment i said, this is what you've left your child and this woman and your family to, to do. they say, you said if you are thinking you is dead, you never too old to find that piece which are children which yourself. mm hm. this prison is me into more like always call a blank canvas and a beautiful landscape. mm. i think that there are a lot of things that we can accomplish here. if you give an opportunity.

mm. ah, everybody's watching everything they do. everywhere they go everywhere they gather . they have to really, really, really be above board to make this happen. they have to worry about be a put in the whole they have to worry about being moved to another prison depending on how hard they push. they don't wanna be too vocal because they don't want to be signal out as a security risk because they're being vocal about something that they want to learn . they can move them at any time. they could be take, you know, just rolled up and moved to another facility at any time for any reason. there's nothing i can say or do about it. mm. mm, i'm pretty sure they steal down us all the way up to this point. but you can't argue with our results. that's the thing that you can't argue. cameras in every

classroom, by soon as we got a classroom camera start coming up in because it was like, okay, well we got to see exactly what's happening. but as good. not only put a camera in here, you can come and sit in our classroom. when you learn to with maturity, you think capacity to use ones intelligence without the guidance of another. well, cat is conveyed is that no one, not even a monarch or making impede alignment of the public eye. okay. okay. um i thought it was, i thought it was difficult read pull. i thought it was difficult for me and that's what i graph of from it. you know, i'm not enough. i'm right or wrong. this is my so and it's not about right or wrong is about interpretation. no one can say if your interpretation is wrong, we don't have a manual can here to be able to ask them. what did you mean by this? and you have english scholars literary scholars,

will try to explain to you what somebody live 20300 years ago. literally meant when they don't know, what am i gathering from this? and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters is what you're gathering, right? because there's a lot of people here who are under idea that when you are kind of exceeded our boundaries as prisoners and somebody is lying to you. if somebody is a guy, i've always been so scared about how i've looked on the death of corey, how him being a young college kid and me being just, you know, some hoodlum from tacoma, how anybody would be able to kind of see the person that i've become, or my manager has something that's always been a fear of mine. nobody was really ever give me

a chance. ah, washington state does not have pool wiped out a role in the early ninety's. what it replaced parole with was determinant senses. in other words, i'm going to send you to a period of time and it cannot be reduced, doesn't matter what you do in prison. that's your sense. washington has started to figure out that system is not very jobs that doesn't work. and so they've started to bring parole back, actually brought girl back for sex offences. and the other group is juvenile is kemati, had committed the crime. 61 days earlier, 2 months passed his 18th birthday. he would have been in juvenile and he'd be eligible for parole. today, problem with punishment, the problem with setting

a life without parole sentence. for somebody who was 18 years old at the time in the crime is you don't know who he's going to be 20 years. ah, it was never really something that i was intending to have while i just got curious i because there was a lot of people who are actually going home to crunch. the 1st thing i did is i've kind of started writing letters to some attorneys about what was the possibilities within a week, you know, he sent me a letter and told me to call. he said that during my clinic it will be something that he will be willing to do. today we filed a clemency petition with the washington state clemency board. its a formal request asking for a commutation of commodities sent, asking the governor to change his life sentence to essentially credit for time sir,

to let him go. the had different family members that have been to prison and seen him even. some went and spoke with him. different people were telling me he's changing. he's trying to be a better person. but their plan wasn't ready to accept then. ah, i had thought about reaching out to him. i start to write them and then i throw it away. i did that probably maybe 6 or 7 times and then i just said okay, forget it. ah, probably 6 months after that, kimani send me a message. i read it. i waited a couple times over and over. i let my family members read it. my grandmother,

she raised me from the time i was 6 months old and she always instilled in as a spirit of forgiveness. and he had asked me for my forgiveness in his measures that he said to me. and so i told him i said, ah, i forgave you a long time ago. i didn't, i'm not going to forget what happened. and so, but i forgave you. as i understand the challenges you may have had growing up and i'm not excusing her behavior. but i forgive, you said not only am i for giving you for what you did at the forgive you to allow myself to lavon and to heal. ooh,

while he was in prison, his daughter was murdered. she was 3 and a half his oh, when she was murdered, the lady that beat my granddaughter to death. i forgiven her. she didn't have the tools to be a mother. she grew up in such a violent atmosphere and was in a gang when she was 11. and so when she had my grand daughter, she wasn't capable of showing love art. she didn't have, she didn't know how. and so in an angry drug, addicted rage, she beat my granddaughter today, and i'll always miss the naya. and i would be 23 years old now that i want her to have a 2nd chance, you know? because i feel like she never had a chance. i remember when i was in olympia fighting for this bill. i mean i was a mother trying to fight for her son in time for people to get out of corral. but all these victims came in the 2nd year, and i thought, you know, well after the victims who you know, and i thought, you know what,

maybe next time we go to fight for this bill. a be a victim supporting the bill where they got to say i'm a victim and i am against this bill. i'm going to be, i'm a victim and i'm for this bill. now, we are in this dichotomous, either victim or you're a perpetrator. it's not true. victims are perpetrators, perpetrators of victims. and we have to get to a place where we understand we're all victims of the sister. i've had a son who was murdered and i have a family that had different ideas about what justice meant and what they wanted to come out of that process. and i think that had, i not had the experience that i've had it with the black prisons caucus over 20 years. ringback i may or may not have had the same feeling about that, but i was able to immediately forgive. it requires that we look historically we, we contextualize what has happened so that it's not just, i did something to you or you did something to me. there's other environmental

things that are pushing our behavior, impacting our behavior to each of us has the capacity, the unfortunate capacity to do terrible things. if the wrong set of circumstances are presented, we need to get to a place in this country where people kind of tell him for their actions. and where handed forgiveness can be extended. the prisons are not institutions that detail. the good things that happen in prison. that every once in a while, prison official recognizes that an individual has accomplish something that deserves being talked about in commodities case. a prison official told me that commodity had done more in terms of race relations in prison. and

anybody who had ever worked at that prison, that included professional staff. ah, we submitted our petition with a great deal of hope because we felt that commodity had satisfied somewhat vague standard of showing extraordinary circumstances. merit team a change in his sense. i think that is more about them being able to, to the commodity that i've become and not the commodity that i watch. and so i think that they deny me as because they haven't got past that point me a call. you will not be charged for this call. this call is from an inmate at a correction center was calling will be recorded and monitored. if you was to block anything because of this nature dial 7. now to accept this call,

press 5. now to decline this call. hey, thank you. ah, ah ah . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is on offense, bearing dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how

that strategy will be successfully, very difficult time. time to sit down and talk. oh no, no, no changes. i do not wanna for wash myself in prison. i am glad or worse myself. ah, i don't want to lose faith. our material along what you dorn, because you're helping the next person get out of jail and katrina, stay out of jo to be about her father saw brother personal society.

ah bush haggling, me locked up i reckon, which of my interest is in people like commodity who worked on rehabilitation and who've been told by the system, you will never get out. it does not matter what you do in prison. it will make no difference in terms of where you die. i want to be able to say yes, it will. because i believe that somebody like commodity makes our community a better community. ah. this than that they're all on the same just in different stages of ripeness. so this one, yes. for that one's really,

really right. and there are several that turned proposal just different variety. i was released in june. i was at work release until november 5th. during that time i worked, went to school, and now i am still on monetary community capacity. and i live with my family. i'm just trying to, ah, okay, you down. mm. 3 wills, it's all free or is not equitable. so if you have the resources to have 5 options open to you and i have the resources to have to open to me, how free am i to really choose? and as long as society davies up opportunity and resources where

a certain kind of person has 5 and another kind as to for nothing except for superficial characteristics that are outside of an individual's control. it will be society's fault that prisons are fool society. the state, the government institutions, all these words that we're, that are big and morphis that, that we're trying to trying to make in this concrete thing that has power over us is us. and we are complicit in our own captivity as long as we don't know that they are us with how was your stay about is were, why are we get about just is right. what is justice?

i'm with what come to mind when we hear the word, justice persona with moran co room with her. okay. was oh corruption co roma prison for fresh operation. oh mm hm. i don't wanna veil but you guys are being a little bit negative, right. because justice is related to all the bad the, the has,

has happened to was right. so yeah, of course we, can we go with the negative, right? because of all of these there. i mean, go room, well being in a corner, most of us have negative experiences when it comes to just do a justice system. yeah. okay. so, so let me, let me make kind of rephrase that. when i, when i think up just is, i think done this classroom by year and, and in pitch my in general with all the class is doing. if, if the, if during the church justice i be at some point in life, there was something that was missing from ourselves that were duly, that we never had. right. so by i've got a future new chair, something new, something that can empower us. i've been doing the church just me just this is the penalty or reward for one's actions. i say penalty or reward because justice can be serving

a good way or so. i just want to make sure that everything that i do understand is wrong, eventually come back on me, some shape or form. and that to me is chest is the good things that i do. we've actually come back to me in a go and, and bad things i do actually come back to me in a bad way. it's about integrity for me or so i just think that justice is always watching justice as it is in a thing dislike. you know, if you, if you break the laws of the land, you'll be locked up. that's a small part of justice. blake justice is even bigger than that. jesse's should control the things that you'd normally nobody else is watching. awesome justice has to be individualized justice has to ask, how is the community harms and how can we make it better? and what role should this individual have in making that community better? just that's a tough one. but i'm not certain knowledge. no one justices justice

. i'm not sure if i ever thought about that much just to our part in the system in the next part, how to do their part the the lawyers on both sides in the judges. but i would still feel good about the bar. i did a this is not about a prison education program and to be very clear, it is not about the department of corrections at all. they just geographically happened to be oppressed there. they could be oppressed anywhere else in the community. ah, it's a trip because we got some class issues going on. there are many of us who do not believe that people are in prison, can have the answers to our problems. ah,

we do not believe that the people sleeping under the bridge can have the answers to their reality. ah, because we have people with ph. d and master's degrees, who then have been certified to do that work. and they have been doing it over and over and over and over and over again. i'm in a, in a system where we've had a 10 year plan that is now turned into a 20 year plan and they just change a name. and it's gang, those brothers, no gang, of all of the classes that we offer to some, we can't wait just for people in prison. aaron's children have the solutions to our problems. and what we will do it 10 years. if we don't attend to this, we'll be visiting some i will put that on your babies. but it's really the truth. not think it's natural. ah,

because i got the deal. see the feel t federal detention center, the juvenile system, everybody's in the business. ah. and then wait, what the education system to fail are babies, so that they go in there. mm. that i don't, we want to blame deal, see? cuz it took a whole lot of institutions to get them there. we bailed. we failed them in spite of that they've got the flu . me them the spirit that we did not kill me . the

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