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it will be, will be, ah ah, you can believe whatever you want about the wagner group, but one thing as for sure, whatever they're doing on the battlefield is clearly working and they don't seem to the going anywhere anytime soon. well, figuratively speaking, at least that's all for now. be sure to check out our
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t v dot com for all of the latest breaking news and updates. we'll see right back here at the top of the hour. ah, with ah ah. hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter labelle. according to french, president emmanuel look wrong. the candidate must decide whether wants to be free or a vassal of china or the united states. but crone has never been known to be an original
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thinker. however, on this point, he is obviously right. the real question is whether is europe still has the power to decide its fate at all? ah, to discuss these issues and more and joyce, and by my guess, martin j america. he is an award winning journalist and commentator. and here in moscow we have to meet re bobbitt. she is a political analyst editor, it interests me. internet media project or a gentleman cross up roles and effect, that means he can jump in any time he want, and i always appreciate it or not start out with martin in mary cash. i'm, as i said in my introduction, martineau i, many weld micron is not, you know, not the brightest guy. me doesn't come up with original ideas. but every once in a while he does say what every one knows is obviously to be true. ok. he counted so he's like this, even the odd guy on even day is he totes to line on odd days. tc let something out
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. okay. is it it's probably the only reason why follow what he has to say when he's absolutely right about this. that when i find really interesting is the very fact that he would say something like this, me this already too late, isn't it? go ahead. more on so many levels, you know, most of what's coming out and i'm a frond macaroni and a few others now is too little too late. i mean, i think is a rather fatuous archman. isolated to, to pitch the you somewhere i, in the middle or at least needing require him to, you know, tire their colors to a certain mass, whether it be china or whether that be the u. s. a cli, every must big china. and but, you know, microphone is on his own. i mean is really, is, is, is completely isolated and within the he, you, i disagree with you. when you say is not very graphic. he is quite bright. i think you mean politically of richard. but i think i intellectually square smart guy and am, he's got an incredible amount of restore him at the moment. i mean,
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france is imploding and he car ready take a much more of the stretches. couple days ago there was a 1000000 people marching am in paris at this sort of descent. i'm continues in, are they the than the arguments from the unions and parents is the new matter on has to go, you're the proper. but really, the essence of this is the, is the ukraine war and where the west has pitched. so, to me for macro on to make these are in sundry comments to the rest of the you is really interesting because it shows that we are on a point now where there was a sudden full ring of arrogance and stoic, obsessive her. oh, focus towards the end game as you liked to cool or would you like to was called me up of this phrase and go i'm, i think alias begin to realize that there actually isn't and, and guide absolutely credible on. there isn't a situation where they want to win. i mean, his comments are really interesting because they full want something like a week after gave
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a how starts on the liberal lead and upon european group in the ok. paulman said to him, he pays me, please look when losing and whether the battle with the russians, the he, you, sanctions just aren't working. and there they amount to 0 over his words. but he added to that, i wrote about it in our school for to our see just a week ago in a russian sanctions aren't working. he added to that. but that are not only are the sanctions not, not, not working, but things ruch of the coming worse in our relations with russia. because you are conscious with license light like at least not to trade with russia. but in fact, une 7 e u member states are actually impulsive, less from russia, from the sure the rest aren't gucci, more electrical from it. if i say cataclysmic, error of judgement, if you're banging vishal table and you know, and, and making this battle charge towards the ukraine, thou woe and you think to those of them game with the europeans to win. so i think this is flooring. oh says some, this arrogance this mindset also he longs is on
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a changing. yeah. oh, because reinforced to reality is forcing them to, i deem also on the same interview that i'm a grown made. he. he also said, um, i'm gonna tend to agree with barney and he's not stupid, he's politically stupid, but he's not intellectually stupid. okay. could i make that abort theme a? he also talked about, you know, what, you know, we, we always talk about even on this program, europe, but, you know, even he pointed out that europe is not united. he didn't used to work populace, but he was making reference to them. is that you know, of this conflict in ukraine oak for so we have like break that we had the catastrophic when merkel decided on immigration in 2015. this is one event after another, the ukraine situation, because the way the west is so vested into this, obviously ridiculous gambit. is it new or even saying i'm a greater divisions. divisions are always there, but they're just becoming more apparent in europe itself. and he's making reference
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obviously to eastern error thema, well just turn gold are among the use i from last week. the hands of foreign ministers only through any a lot. there is thorn yet require demand that for all chancellors stoltz to sheep deliver no, but tanks to keep them in a could you imagine that just like 5 years ago, are you with nasty, you know of the foreign ministers already to ania the stone you are requiring socket, pro, all the chances of germany. you know, i'm talking about laquan. of course he is not very much white, did russia. some people called him even compassion, bro. full could he got, you know, will. and he kept saying, i'm going to coach and i am calling fujen. well, at the same time, saint gen 4 weeks up, dance to do to the crating. gov. i mean that was very strange. what was the book and about piece, while at the same time, by adrian lloyd with a fire in you crate?
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ah, but you are absolutely right. if we look at the big picture, i think the best. and that is, this was provided by manuel thought a french thinker in his interview glove he got all last week. he basically said, oh ok of france and germany appeared to be full. i mean, they didn't anticipate the russian special operations in the ukraine. why? because they were not installed and they didn't know, ah, to what extent o the u. k. the united states and poland have armed you gray. they didn't know. and, and when a, when there had been some food it late and now we're finding out just clinical details. i mean, the had of german 4 in services. we believe the speed that was court. can you grade, you know what, when that attack started, but they had to sound special troops to get him out loud and keep the same story with france. you know, it was completely anchored bad. people from the french embassy it in their,
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in here for our are now hewitt, you know, their, their full lamp. s that, for, of which in them, in that terrible situation. ah, so basically it ah asked simona tod rights e key is it is as she says, that interview, ah, the ecstasy, your, of shift that for all paris and berlin to washington london war. so, i mean, isn't that a disaster for you rook, you know, to be ra by old sake, was this we the, ah, you know, also been at hostage or east european nationalism and who got it. what is government is named. what about the west european? personally, we can be surprised, they suppose, but then they kind of go back to martin here that will shame audibly hear a p and leaders here, but me, i me, what do they call? okay, who do they blame? they had themselves to blame for all of this. i want a hat on to that he and the same were interviewed the microphone gave, are you, he talked about a crisis of capitalist, which was really quite interesting coming from a banker himself. and i tend to agree with him, but when he calls it,
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a crisis of conscience is the conscience of demo of democracies, which i get tired of that kind of verbage. but i would throw it to both of you. no one wants to say, but it's a crisis of ideology that you know, this is an ideological paradigm in it's working less than less for the majority of people in the country in the countries. it rolls over it. that is patently obvious . and the leadership has to say, well, it's a crisis of democracy. prices of, of capitalism as the prices of ideology. mar, yeah, it is. i'm if you, if you look at her within the prism of, i'm not just even mistakes that the ear is so, but actually even worse for brussel because brussels is, is a very young and experience. and rather farrell projects i'm, it's very good at them getting 28 member states together and working out so new legislation full the let's windscreen wipers and the don't bigger picture stuff. you know, big policy stuff like was some conflict or is know very good is the so much
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division, not just atlanta assist on eastern european countries on one side and franco german federalist on the other. the remote divisions of that. i think this is when we talk about crisis of i didn't she, i think it, it did. this is what macklin is really touching on the notes, but there is a lack of confidence in governance generally in western european countries, you know, and the ukraine was actually made this much worse because people are really starting to question on what sizzled about. i mean, how do we end up winning, even if we, when it evens people assigned to say, even if the you push russia out of ukraine and what, what? well, the spoils for us is incredible cynical people. it's incredible how people in mumble, blunt and taxi drivers are realised that when energy prices go back down again, government does tend not to pass that saving back to consumers. they tend to snatch it, you that. so there's no win win for westerners and zone. the crisis of ideology is
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just becoming more and more. i'm obvious. you know, it's really interesting on the dementia. good up. her tanks issue it incredible that um the defense ministers would openly discussed this and make it public se up either incredible. you know? because hooted must be laughing, his head off, you know, so we've got the staves now where the civil we give credibility to the ukrainians for knowing how to run the run war. ha ha, you know, try and stop laughing at that. they don't know what they're doing that, but if we're gonna use some credibility, a truth to the cabal of advisors to, to, to the lensky. you know, do they really know what they're talking about when they say the look, the civil put it in ukraine attacks? the learning sure, i agree with that. i'm wondering whether they've got some do lined up with some middle eastern buyer or, or, or as arena recently. african leaders now start to point out that these, this equipment is tied to turn up in a central african republic. so is it already about tanks if it really to we can
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really answer my bullshit and tell her is twitching a lot. when i hear the stories about tangs, but if at 8 o'clock, small tanks are fungible yet. but if it is about tax, you know, physical zalinski has another people to, to, to run these 3rd sets or to operate in these tanks. but an interesting how biden's pulled back. i'm from sending abraham taste, which are probably the best tanks in the world. i'm to ukraine and the excuses is come up with, which is probably annoying the europeans a lot. you know that it really is. this war really is about our winners and losers . and europe is just a loser over and over again. whatever the story was me in aren't, but the abrams tanks is the kind of go along with. i just sat here. i mean, i would end up in it in an, in a show room in moscow. i mean, he would, they, they would be sold, they'd be sold, okay, there, man, for i know to list all the articles the, yet it's, it's all biased because you know that the biden is saying, oh, you know, these times the quite complicated on that are the right fuel in ukraine, and this training involved for goodness sake. these tanks rolled into a rack in
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a matter of minutes in the into the jesuit is to watch what is yet to ukraine. it's b. s were being, were being lied to by the americans. again, i think micron to team could it rescue just want mine a point, a foot here which hurts me. i think his, the on the eob leader who's prepared to stand up and actually said is to the americans, the, you're really tranquil. the will over our eyes, you know, we are, the ones are going to pay the biggest price it. an ownership of tanks is interesting because you latest. now i think a stones who admit openly that they don't actually want western countries or europe to actually win the ward ukraine national would have on certainly germany, this won't that. but germany wald squirt believes is a can what? when a was finally of a tricia that slowly which we were out in the year. i asked to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. and so real estate with our team, ah, ah, is your media a reflection of reality?
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in the world transformed what will make you feel safer? isolation or community? are you going the right way? where are you being led somewhere? right. what is true? was his faith in the world corrupted. you need to descend. ah, so join us in the depths will remain in the shallows. ah ah, welcome out across the dock where all things are considered on funeral. well, this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news.
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ah okay, let's go back to d. m a here in moscow. one of the things i think is interesting here, since we're talking about mccrendon, we can throw in who i called. um a sergeant schultz here in there seems to be concerted effort. i've talked about this many times in london in washington. really just want to get rid of shield city, a like social democrats never have, but micron and shelter if you with he watched them, observed them carefully, is the only 2 european leaders that are actually thinking about the day after the week after the month after the year after this conflict comes to it, you see he comes in there every all the time, because then i can, that's an implicit, if not the way i read an explicit admission, this is just a failed strategy. and the sooner we get it over the better for everyone. dema. well, i think you're right. do, benson ideology or in order to understand how the french and the germans,
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what themselves into this mass? the keyword is i your would, you know, i remember you, his memoirs, andre alexandra ogden was brandon of that wise foreign policy. why is it, you know, he was asked up, why did bears of gold been gayness? and, and though alexander argona was, hadn't been informed about, i mean, he quoted dropped with one another. they beta had asked, cobbled want to deal with, i mean, and, and although said, i mean he's dead, stop the conversation. and i'm doubting sound of wagons up in his explanation role that basically browser was a hostage glide. your he thought that he had the good, you know, because of his obligations before that formula psychology before that the murder that we're going to need a iraqi in the same way. so in germany, a petition said, becoming hosted is i door widget. you can't imagine, i mean, i read gum and press every day. if, if there is a shield, though,
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descent like hint of dull, should we sand arms to your great, immediately? that person is school, which unfair stare up against france, you know, is on the payroll of law school. how do these a petro dollars fee when you're or general? oh, these insult and terrible statements and the, and the i think this is a very important the feature of that. and it buried the white through accuser ashcroft, that they did well in german, yet thou and the frost less 6 then they mix. oh, they mix up what it takes of morals. if you are a gains, save your arms too. great. you are an immoral person. you know that they, they, they make the same if they basically use the same tactics, asked the 3rd yes and the forty's, if you are not for germany, if you're not, but he'd what you are, you have betrayed your love, your, your traitor. so basically you're absolutely right that these people, they on the stem. oh, what a mess they gated themselves people that might,
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charles has been reagan, his feeds, or one said content. he pretended he didn't have them there. but what about the morality to both of you about the prolonging of war that has already come to an end? i mean, in the, the ab destruction have been for structure, the suffering of civilians and this loss of soldiers. maybe it is unconscionable to continue this conflict away they have, but this is where we are. i want to talk about at other european character here just a barrel. i'm always happy when he talks, as he gives lenny to reactive blendy. this guy is going to go down in history. okay, is probably speaking more anders than any one else in such a short amount of time. martin burrell said, incredibly, he said, i want to stress this to everyone. incredibly, he said the following. the west must keep army ukraine because moscow defeated napoleon and hitler. i mean, this is why don't know what guy did is t, this guy is ducting about, but wouldn't that be a clue?
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like we've got to wrap this up because history tells us what is this guy talking about? why does he have the position that he does? it's inner look. there's only one silver lining in this cloud, which is i can assure you of to working on brussels. we're love me, is that most you senior officials and e presto taken very seriously. i mean his position was never serious position. you know this talk to you to promote a wet when the brits run run that particular circus. see the ideology in brussels was whenever take when we caught take e foreign policy read says the so it's really important that we get some 3rd re politician and no one who has no real cloud neural gravitas in he fits start bill. he's a socialist from mediterranean country and especially just yada, yada, yada. no one really takes grew seriously, but i think to go back to macro. and so smith langley, i think we do take back on seriously. and mack on is available to speak. you and he has respect around the world and i'm surprised m picks up on something else. he
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said, just in the last couple of days, he said he states it that and this feeds into this, this failed state ideology idea that you've come up with, which i agree with, which is that because we, we don't have a singular ideology with am ideal and see that one could even re take serious in the longer term that he does not have any ideology toll and beyond brussels. but it micron said we need to reach out to the russians. we need to actually understand way that they think and, and actually asked them, well, what would be your defense m guarantees in you cried if we were ever to talk about that as amazing. it's an amazing mission that we've got to position where our own ideas are complete. sega, we're not winning, and we call sydney and game for our own people are just suffering either, but then almost the same day, michael also makes a statement that we, what we should increase our supplies to ukraine as what you cray, it's less, you know what, what the hell's going on here? it is lovely. i wasn't gonna be able to really focus so much. i'm a grown illness,
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but i think you bring up a very good point. i wanted to explain to you my frustration. okay. i was very dismissive, i'm in my introduction, i, i, you kind of pushed back. i've kind of agreed with you. i mean, he's not intellectually, he is bright, politically, he is stupid, but i guess what my frustration is here. being a successor to de gaulle, which every french president compares himself to de gaulle. he's not a leader. see that mike? right. is that a leader? he can say the right things, but if he don't have any power, they grab at taos, the careers, muh, of that office, the opiate in that historical standing. then it really irritates me to the point of being dismissive, i think i've explained myself to your thumbs. yeah, but he but the thing is, is not a great leader, but i'm, he is the president froze is going to load least 3 is in office and he's beginning to see, but he's not going to make it is beginning to see that the e u. project which he'd like to be the crescent of in 2029. and he's the favorite
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in my view to become the presler. there won't be anything left of the e mail to 1st and $29.00. it will be a crackpot lunatic. you know, i'm out fear i'm over run by far. i repeatedly european parliament and everybody. at that point, we're looking to the leisure to streamline it. so in one respect to the crane war is pushing this agenda. ukraine was winning on so many levels in the week. we're always talking this program about ukraine war beyond the ukrainian borders. and this is another way of where russia is thinking long term and thinking, you know, the e u is definitely crumbling, as really fall into pieces. you've got people disagreeing with each other about how to move forward. mostly want to win, let germany because they fear of reprisals or revenge attacks from, from russia. the americans are pretty smart and realize that as a possibility they don't want to send a tank. so the long, long ranger, but michelle's fair keeping of it, you know, let your pay the price for all this. i'm but to macros, sees m failure and doom and despair. and this is why he's now banging the drum,
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i'm talking about and the possibility of talking to russia about peace. i mean, if you look at her, you know, the sale that the ology armed and people, i mean, the actual, the 40000000 citizens that make up that you, that are going to be part of this at some point when we talk about european elections next year, and a couple years time will match runs policies and failing and strikes become even bigger. the name of a micron is now farmers gone strike and bill stock calling for him to be live. so message to kill it from an outsider, looking in, i mean, in a dimmer europe is that for, i mean it's populate. the european union's population is larger than the learned states. the g d p is larger if you look at collectively here, but he doesn't have its own. google doesn't have its own amazon, not that i think they're great things. again, they don't have their own facebook, but it is. if i did, that's a great thing. but it is true, i mean from an outsider looking in it, they have everything that's necessary to be a great power our, they've chosen not to it. it is
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a craven choice. and i think that the historians will be very curious how they got to where they are today. go, handyman. oh, of course, didn't slide your jap, sorry. are those are the story with mark roll at the bottom of the few why states that he made. the last week's was a. he said that you, dan broke out, she ation after her brain stands up russia and we will capital taken, breakout, rushes, security concerns. yeah. and what happened, all their branch brass, all the german press on least, helen hymnals at how can you imagine this yellow rushes, security concerns? and then they asked, why is why shall frighten you? grade wise, rush about giving up will. because if you are not going to bacon, took all dollar security considering, but they gave us it left a mark the name hang on here. what, what is frustrating for, for that? because with the, the legacy media, mainstream media, the never give context, but i think all of us were talking until we were all blue in the face that the
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russians gave them that opportunity. in december of 2021. we need security guarantees. we need to sit down and it's getting to a point of going beyond the, you know, know what, no, no, from no point. and they didn't believe any. i read it in good and that you are absolutely right. the about the context. i mean, i'm on a thought in his interview. she says, yeah, it depends on the lance that you're use it. if you just the point, you're lansing, your grain in favor of 1000. thank you. one assorted was adequate to chew. you will see russian troops moving from east to west, but if you will, zoom out a loop. and if you take the time like 10 years, 20 as 15 years, you see lot. so soldiers weren't prone west to each, jo, c, nato expanding to united nyja. michael ball and the czech republic and con, agreed to 1000, fought at age of the baltic. republics, rumania suddenly became
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a very, it was now confir the what's russia? so if you take the big picture, russian se auntie in down lot a started the mass, they're responding to this huge woman all west and grew strong, west to east that took place in the last 10 years. so again, these people act on text and because they lack one text or the only way they can defend their position is though just to lash out that any kind of hold. you can't imagine what's going on in europe right now. i mean, oh, all the people who are objective of this, they immediately label. oh goodness, at best far right. yeah. you know a song while there's just because she said that she agreed with an arctic indifference was magazine that the united states and china brought it from this she traced while europe was losing. she was lame as your school named by thousands of
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people. you know, when tweet and elsewhere as the reality is, you know, i'm just go ga. gov or stein doc for all my other. you're focused edison. he basically it as grew up that the biggest, when a strong dismiss their 1st the, you asked defense patterns that also european defense companies such as b, a, b, e, g, e, in the u. k, a down arkell, meet lip. let's not forget, you know, the economic interest here a and leave was if i you, why should i vide, we by link that with boy who benefits from this catastrophe. ok. and we just did jazz all the time we have when i think my guess and medication mosque i, when i would think our viewers for watching us here, rp see next time remember russell's ah ah, we all came out together. we were all supposed to go home together. it
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