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to bring his are willing to sell the weapons to the any body who is willing to give them money. no, i think that the natural and to see i am more freaked and they don't allow any more . these weapon sales for the russian troops are in, in a dorm bus, but they are more than willing to sell these weapons to ices, jewelry and others who are in the team of the west. so, so we are in a very core of issues when we are talking about black market represents a new crate. that's what is all about janice, the conan and the lady, chief editor. thank you. thank you very much. and those were the hours happening. stories for more to the minute news updates had over to r t dot com. and don't forget to follow us on odyssey rumble and gab. thanks for tuning in. we'll see you back at the top of the hour. ah,
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this is which a form of a tens of thousands of years can give us important information into our climate and how it has changed over time. what a scary is our glaciers are milton, at an alarming rate. to learn more, we came here to mount elbows to speak to victor. papa. he is a great yellow just who has devoted his entire life to the topic. it is a fascinating, at times dangerous and very important job. ah ah. hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i am peter labelle, according to french president emanuel luke wrong. the continent must decide whether
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wants to be free or a vassal of china or the united states. but crown has never been known to be an original thinker. however, on this point he is obviously right. the real question is whether is europe still has the power to decide its fate at all? ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess. martin jane marquez, he is an award winning journalist and commentator. and here in moscow we have to meet re, bop it. she is a political analyst and editor. it interests me. internet media project or gentleman cross up roles and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want . and i always appreciate it or not start. i was martin in medic cash. i'm, as i said in my introduction, martineau, i'm any meld macro on this map. no, not the brightest guy. me doesn't come up with original ideas. but every once in a while he does say what every one knows is obviously to be true. okay. he kind of
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so he's like this even odd guy on even days he totes to line on odd days. tc let something out. ok, is it it's probably the only reason why follow what he has to say when he's absolutely right about this. that when i find really interesting is the very fact that he would say something like this. i mean, it's already too late, isn't it? go ahead. more on so many levels, you know, most of what's coming out and i'm a from macaroni and a few others. now is too little too late. i mean, i think is a rather fatuous ottoman isolated to, to pitch the you somewhere in the middle or at least needing require him to, you know, tire their colors to a certain mass. would it be china or whether that be the u. s. a cli, every must big china. and, but you know, micron is always out. i mean, is really, is, is, is completely isolated and within the you, i disagree with you, when you say is not very graphic. he is quite bright. i think you mean politically
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of richard. but i think i intellectually squeezed more guy and am, he's got an incredible man of restored him at the moment. i mean, france is imploding and he can really take a much more of the stretches. couple days ago, there was a 1000000 people marching am in paris at this sort of descent. i'm continues in, are they the than the arguments from the unions and paris is the view matter on as to go, you're the proper. but really, the essence of this is the, is the ukraine war and where the west has pitched. so, to me for macro on to make these are in sundry comments to the rest of the you is really interesting because it shows that we are on a point now where there was a sudden full ring of arrogance and stoic, obsessive her. oh, focus towards the end game as you like to call it, would you like to was called me up of this phrase and go i'm, i think alias begin to realize that there actually isn't and, and guide absolutely credible on. there isn't a situation where they want to win. i mean,
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his comments are really interesting because they full want something like a week after diva how starts on the liberator and upon european group in the ok. paulman said to me, pace me please look when losing and further the battle with the russians. the he, you, sanctions just aren't working and there they amount to 0 over his words. but he added to that i wrote about it in our school for c, r c. just a week ago in a russian sanctions aren't working, he added to that, that are not only are the sanctions, not, not, not working, but things ruch of the coming worse in our relations with russia. because you are conscious with the license light, like at least not to trade with russia, but in fact, on the 7 e u. member states are actually impulsive, less from russia, from the shore. the rest are include st. more electrical from it. if i say cataclysmic, error of judgement, if you're banging vishal table and you know, and, and making this battle charge towards the ukraine, that war and you think of as of in game with the europeans to win. so i think this
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is flooring. oh says some, this arrogance this mindset also he owns his own changing. yeah. oh, because reinforced to reality is forcing them to, i deem also on the same interview that i'm a grown made. he. he also said, um, i'm gonna tend to agree with barney and he's not stupid, he's politically stupid, but he's like intellectually stupid. okay. could i make that abort theme a? he also talked about, you know, what, you know, we always talk about even on this program, europe, but, you know, even he pointed out that europe is not united. he didn't used to work populace, but he was making reference to them. is that you know of this conflict in ukraine? well, for so we have like break that we had the catastrophic when merkel decision on immigration in 2015. this is one event after another, the ukraine situation because the wet west is so vested into this, obviously ridiculous gambit. is it new or even saying i'm on greater divisions.
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divisions are always there, but they're just becoming more apparent in europe itself. and he's making reference obviously, obviously to eastern error thema, well just turn gold on the use i from last week. the hands of foreign ministers, obese delaney, a large band is thorn yet require demand that for all chancellors stoltz to ship deliver no, but tanks to keep them in a could you imagine that just like 5 years ago, are you with nasa? you know, of the foreign ministers only to ania to sonya are requiring socket pro all the chances of germany. you know, i'm talking about locker on, of course. he is not very much white in russia. some people called him even compassion both full could he got, you know, will. and he kept saying, i'm going to coach and i'm calling for jim. well, at the same time, sandy and 4 weeks, a dance to do, to the crate and gov. i mean, that was very strange. what was the book and about piece while at the same time,
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by adrian, oiled with a fire in you crate. ah, but you are absolutely right. if we look at the big picture, i think the best, and that is this was provided by manuel thought a french thinker in his interview. go figure out all last week. he basically said, oh ok of france and germany appeared to be full. i mean, they didn't anticipate the russian special of the region in the ukraine. why? because they were not installed and they didn't know. ah, to what extent o the u. k. the united states and poland have armed you gray. they didn't know. and, and well, when there had been some food late, i mean, now we're finding out just clinical details. i mean the had of german 4 in services . we believe the spic date that was court. can you grade, you know what, when that attack started, but they had to sound special troops to get him out or out,
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and keep the same story with france. you know, it was completely awkward, bad people from the french embassy. it in there in here for our are now suing. you know, there, there full ma'am. s that 4 of which of them in that terrible situation. ah, so basically it ah, asked simona todd writes e key is that it is, as she says in that interview, ah, the axis in europe shift at from ferris and berlin to washington london war. so, i mean, isn't that a disaster where you rook, you know, to be ra by old sake, was this was the, ah, you know, oh, also been a hostage on east european nationalism. and who got it. what is the dog is named? what about the waste european? personally, we can be surprised, they suppose, but then they kind of go back to martin here. then we'll say, motherly here a p and leaders here. but me, i me, what do they call? okay, who do they blame? they had themselves to blame for all of this. i want to head on to that he and the same were interviewed the microphone gave, are you, he talked about
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a crisis of capitalist, which was really quite interesting coming from a banker himself. and i tend to agree with him, but when he calls it, a crisis of conscience is the conscience of demo of democracies, which i get tired of that kind of verbage. but i would throw it to both of you. no one wants to say, but it's a crisis of ideology that you know, this is an ideological paradigm in it's working less than less for the majority of people in the country in the countries. it rolls over it. that is patently obvious . and the leadership has to say, well, it's a crisis of democracy. prices of, of capitalism. reza, prices of ideology, mar. yeah. it is. i'm if you, if you look at her within the prism of, i'm not just even the state of the ears so, but actually even worse for brussel because brussels is, is a very young and experience and rather thoroughly crow church. i'm, it's very good at them. getting 28 member states together and working out so new legislation full the let's windscreen wipers. i'm but on bigger picture stuff. you
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know, big policy stuff like wars and conflicts. ah. is no very good. is the so much division, not just atlanta assist on eastern european countries on one side and franco german federalist on the other. the remote divisions of that. i think this is when we talk about crisis of ideas and she, i think it, it did. this is what macklin is really touching on inodes. but there is a lack of confidence in governance generally in western european countries, you know, and the ukraine was actually made this much worse, because people are really starting to question on what sizzled about. i mean, how do we end up winning, even if we, when it evens people assigned to say, even if sir, you push russia out of ukraine of what, what well, the spoils for us is incredible. cynical people is incredible how people in humble re london taxi drivers are realized that when energy prices go back down again, government does tend not to pass that saving back to consumers. they tend to snatch
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it yet, so there's no win win for westerners and zone. the crisis of ideology is just becoming more and more. i'm obvious. you know, it's really interesting on the dimension. good upper tanks issue it incredible that . um, the defense ministers would openly discuss this and make it public say, apply that incredible, you know, because hooted must be laughing, his head off. you know, so we've got the stage now where festival we give credibility to the ukrainians for knowing how to run the run war. ha ha, you know, try and stop laughing at that. they don't know what they're doing that. but if we're going to give some credibility, a truth to the cabal of advisors to, to choose alecky, you know, do they really know what they're talking about when they say the look, the silver put it in ukraine or tags? the learning? sure, i agree with that, i'm wondering whether they've got some do lined up with some middle eastern buyer or, or, or as arena recently. african leaders now start to point out that these,
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this equipment started to turn up in a central african republic. so is it already about tanks if it really to we can really answer my bullshit and tell her is twitching a lot when i hear the stories about thanks. but if it 8 o'clock, all tanks are fungible. yeah. but if it is about tax, you know, physical zalinski has another people to, to, to run these shirts or to operate in these tanks. but in the interesting how biden's pulled back, i'm from sending abraham tastes, which are probably the best tanks in the world. i'm to ukraine and the excuses is come up with, which is probably annoying the europeans a lot. you know that it really is. this rule really is about our winners and losers . and europe is just a loser over and over again. whatever the story in aren't, but the abrams tanks just to kind of go along with, i just sat here. i mean, i would end up in it in an, in the show room in moscow. i mean, they would, they, they would be sold, they'd be sold. okay. they have been for, i know to this all the articles, the yes it is all b s because you know that the biden is saying, oh, you know these times the quite complicated on that are the right fuel in ukraine.
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and this training involved for goodness sake, these tanks, rogan to iraq in a matter of minutes in the into the jesuit, is to watch what the, you steps, ukraine. it's p s, were being, were being lied to by the americans. again, i think micron to came could it less game just one minor point to put it here which hurts me, i think is the on the e. m leader who's prepared to stand up and ashley said is to americans the you're really tranquil, the whatever eyes you know, we are, the ones are going to pay the biggest price it. and i wish about tanks is interesting because you latest. now i think a stones who admit openly that they don't actually wants western countries or europe to actually win the war and ukraine national would have on certainly germany, this won't that. but germany wald squirt believes is a can what? when a was finally of a tricia that slowly which we were out in the year after, go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion and to really stay with our team. ah
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ah ah ah, welcome back across stock were all things considered on federal oil this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah okay, let's go back to d. m a here in moscow. the one of the things i think is interesting here, since we're talking about mac round, and we can throw in who i called. um a sergeant schultz here in,
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in there seems to be concerted effort. i've talked about this many times at the london in washington. really just want to get rid of short sale like social democrats never have, but mccarran, inn, and shelter if you would think, watch them observe them carefully. is the only 2 european leaders that are actually thinking about the day after the week after the month after the year after this conflict comes to it. you see he comes in there every all the time. because and i can, that's an implicit, if not the, the way i read an explicit admission that this is this of failed strategy the sooner we get it over the better for everyone. dina, well, i think you were right. do, benson ideology, or you know, the drawn to stamp, ah, how the french and the germans worked themselves into this mass. the keyword is, i, your would, you know, i remember you. his memoirs, andre alexandra, argon was brand new at wised, 4 and 4 to said, why is it, you know, he was asked up, why did pairs of golden gayness? and, and the arctic sound of argona was, had long been informed about, i mean,
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he quoted dropped with the one and only asia had asked, cobbled want to deal with. i mean, and, and rob of said, i mean his dead stop the conversation could and, and the alexander wagons up in his explanation role that basically brandon was a hostage. do i do all he thought that he had the good, you know, because of his obligations before that formula state ology before that the murder that we're going to need a iraqi in the same way. so in germany, a petition said, becoming hosted is i door widget, you can't imagine. i mean i read gum and press every day. if, if there is a shield, though, descent like hint of doubt, should we sand arms to your great, immediately? that person is school, which is fair stare up against france. you know, he's on the payroll of law school. how do these a, petro dollars fee, when you're or kids, you know, all of these insults and terrible statements, and the, and the, i think this is a very important,
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the feature of that. and it buried the white through a huge rush of the territory. well, in germany, thou and the frost less 6, then they mix out. they mix up what it takes, of morals, if you are a gains, said your arms to great, you are an immoral person, you know, that they, they, they make the same or they basically use the same tactics. asking the 3rd yes and in the forty's, if you are not for germany, if you're not, but he'd what you are, you are betraying yolanda agora. you're a traitor. so a basically a, you're absolutely right that these people, they understand. oh, what a mess they gated themselves people that might, charles has been reagan, his feeds, or one said content. he pretended he didn't have them there. but what about the morality to both of you about a prolonging of war that is already come to an end. i mean, in the ab destruction have been for structure, the suffering of civilians and this loss of soldiers. maybe it is unconscionable to
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continue this conflict the way they have. but this is where we are. i want to talk about at other european character here, just a brow. i'm always happy when he talks, as he give lenny to reactive blendy. this guy is going to go down in history. okay . is probably speaking more anders than any one else in such a short amount of time. martin bravo said, incredibly. he said, i want to stress this to everyone. incredibly, he said the following. the west must keep army ukraine. because moscow defeated napoleon and hitler, i mean this is why don't know what i did is t, this guy is dumped in of al. but wouldn't that be a clue? like, we got to wrap this up because history tells us, what is this guy talking about? why does he have the position that he does? it's an inner, although there's only one silver lining in this cloud, which is i can assure you of to working on brussels. we're love me is that most you senior officials and e presto taken very seriously. i mean,
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his position was never serious position. you know, this talk to you to promote a what, when the brits run, run that particular circus. see the ideology and brussels was whenever take when we caught take e foreign policy read. susie, so it's really important that we get some 3rd right politician and no one who has no real cloud neural gravitas in he fits start bill. he's a socialist from mediterranean country and especially just yada, yada, yada. no one really takes bruce seriously, but i think to go back to macro and so smitten english. think we do take back on seriously. and mack on is available to speak. you and he has respect around the world. no surprise young picks up on something else. he said just the last couple of days, he said he states it that and this feeds into this, this failed state ideology idea that you've come up with, which i agree with, which is that because we, we don't have a singular ideology with our, my jealousy that one could even re take serious in the longer term that you does not have any ideology, a tool and beyond brussels, but hit macro and said we need to reach out to the russians. we need to actually
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understand way that they think and, and actually asked them, well, what would be your to fence, a guarantees them you cried if we were ever to talk about that as amazing is an amazing mission that we've got to position where our own ideas are complete, sega, we're not winning, and we call sandy and gay around. people are just suffering either, but then almost the same day macro also makes a statement that we, what we should increase our supplies to ukraine, asked what ukraine's this is what, what the hell is going on here? it is lovely. i wasn't going to be able to really focus so much. i'm a grown illness that i think you bring up a very good one only to explain to my frustration. okay. i was very dismissive, i'm in my introduction, i, i, you kind of pushed back. i've kind of agreed with you. i mean, he's not intellectually, he is bright, politically, he is stupid. but i guess what my frustration is here, being a successor to de gaulle,
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which every french president compares himself to de gaulle. he's not a leader. see, that's my gripe is that a leader, he can say the right things, but if he don't have any power to grab at taos, the careers, muh, of that office, the opiate in that historical standing, then it really irritates me to the point of being dismissive, i think i've explained myself to your thumbs. yeah, but he but the thing is, is not a great leader, but i am. he is, the president froze is going to load least 3 is an office and he's beginning to see, but he's not going to make it is we're going to see that the e u project, which he'd like to be the crescent of in 2029 and he's the favorite in my view to become the da bressler. there won't be anything left of the e mail to verse $29.00. it will be a crackpot lunatic. you know, i'm out fear i'm overrun by 4. i repeat the european parliament and everybody at that point, we're looking to the leisure to streamline it. so in one respect to the crane war is pushing this agenda. ukraine was winning on so many levels in the week. we
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always talk on the program about ukraine war beyond the ukrainian borders. and this is another way of where russia is thinking long term and thinking, you know, the e u is definitely crumbling, as really fall into pieces. you've got people disagreeing with each other about how to move forward, mostly want to win legend because they fear of reprisals or revenge attacks from, from russia. the americans are pretty smart and realize that as a possibility, they don't want to send a tank. so the long, long ranger, but michelle's fair keeping of it, you know, let your pay, the price for all says i'm, but to macros, sees m failure and doom and despair. and this is why he's now banging the drum and talking about and the possibility of talking to russia about peace. i mean, if you look at her, you know, the sale that the ology armed and people, i mean, the actual, the 40000000 citizens that make up the you that are going to be part of this song where it with we talk about european elections next year. and a couple years time will mat runs policies, some failing and strikes,
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become even bigger. the name of a micron is now farmers gone strike and bill stock calling for him to be live. so message to kill it from an outsider, looking in, i mean, you know, dimmer, europe is not for, i mean it, it's populate. the european union's population is larger than the learned states. the g d p is larger if you look at collectively here. but he doesn't have its own google, it doesn't have its own amazon, not that i think they're great things. again, they don't have their own facebook, but it is, if i did, that's a great thing. but i need to, i mean, from an outsider, looking in it, they have everything that's necessary to be a great power. however, they've chosen not to it. it is a craven choice. and i think that the historians will be very curious how they got to where they are today. go, handyman. oh, of course, didn't slide your jap, sorry. are those are the story with mark roll at the bottom of the few why states that he made in the last weeks was a. he said that you, dan broke out, she ation after her brain sends out russia and we will capital taken 3 called
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russia security concerns. yeah. and will happen all their french brass, all the german press on least how long he knows. how can you imagine this yellow radishes, security concerns? and then they asked, why is why shall frighten you? grade wise rush about giving up will because if you are not going to bacon, took all those security, consider it, but they gave us a left, a mark, the name hang on here. what, what is frustrating for, for that? because with the, the legacy media, mainstream media, they never give context. but i think all of us were talking until we were all blue in the face that the russians gave them that opportunity. in december of 22021. we need security guarantees, we need to sit down and it's getting to a point of going beyond the, you know, know what, no, no, no point. and they didn't believe and i read it in good and that you are absolutely
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right. the about the context. i mean amal thought in his interview, she says, yeah, it depends on the lance that you're use it. if you just the point, your last, your grain in favor of 1000. thank you. one assorted was, are likely to chew. you will see russian troops will, will from east to west, but if he was zoom out that it. and if you take the time like 10 years when he has 15 years, you see lot. so soldiers weren't prone west to eat your c. nato expanding to enlighten niger michael ball and the czech republic and con, agreed to 1000, fought at age of the baltic. republics, rumania suddenly became a very war style coffee the, what's russia? so if you take the big picture, russian se auntie in there, not a start in the mass, they're responding to this. you will jewel mentor, all west and grew strong west to east. that took place in the last 10 years. so again, these people act on text and because they lack one text or the only way they can
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defend their position is though just to lash out that any kind of hold. you can't imagine what's going on in europe right now. i mean, oh, all the people walk objections to this, they immediately label. oh goodness, at best far right. yeah. you know a song while there's just because she said that she agreed with an article in deaf woke was magazine that the united states and china brought it from this she traced while europe was losing. she was lame as your school, named by thousands of people. you know, one tweet and elsewhere. and the reality is, you know, i'm just go to gov or stein doc for all my other folk was spent. isn't he basically, as grew up that the biggest, when a strong this mass there, 1st the, you asked defense patterns that also european defense companies such as b, a, b, e, g, e, in the u. k, a down arkell, meet lip. let's not forget, you know,
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the economic interest here a and leave was a for you, russia i vied, we finally got 2 boys who benefits from this catastrophe. okay. and we just did jazz all the time we have when i think my guess and medication moscow. and i think our viewers for watching us here are p c a next time. remember russell's ah ah, with ah! in 1834 france invaded algeria, and straight away the french started inhabiting it to strengthen their position. the colonists, known as p a. no ours took the best land from day one, the local population was put into an unequal position and was brutally exploited
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this gauze mass discontent. the people of algeria began their long term fight for independence. in 1954, the banner of freedom was raised by the national liberation front. a guerrilla war against the occupants broke out. the french tried to suppress to rebellion using cruel measures. full villages were wiped out acts of georgia and executions of civil people, including pregnant women, children and old people took place more than 2000000 people were put into concentration camps. however, these punitive measures didn't help the algerian patriots managed to induce france the start fees, negotiation. in 1962, evian records were signed, voting algeria on the bass towards independence. but this was achieved at a colossal price. algeria by rights is considered to be
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a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians, the french colonists are responsible for the deaths of one and a half 1000000 algerians. with need to resist is this impulse of wanting to direct the double standard form of international conduct towards south africa? stresses is independence and addresses relations with russia as a to foreign ministers. of course, for cooperation beyond western influence, also ahead in the program, findings are so be returning to the armored vehicles often sealed amongst the buildings. sky news releases footage, showing signs that ukraine places troops and combat vehicles near buildings and severely and pop.

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