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in a very interesting numbers for the global markets, essentially what i think they're trying to do is to completely wipe the slate clean, right? because the minute that you stop being able to measure inflation or debts as we prefer, or government debt in line with actually economic right, it becomes impossible for us really to see how much money they're borrowing and how much debt the countries in and ask the u s controllers, the global reserve currency, which is the u. s. dollar. it's more impossible for us to add up all the dollars in the world to see if that printing any more. so really, it said it might need some massive scan that, that probably hoping is going to reduce the concern in the global market as to how many dollars they're putting in how much debts they're accumulating. day by day it's just going to put the market since of further tamra, right? because as a, as an analyst, as an investor. right now, i'm trying to look at the u. s. economy, which is basically peggy, anyone trading in us dollars around the world and figure out where, where, or if i deploy my capital the minute and i cannot see the debts on the balance sheet. not that it's only the confidence to invest money, not just in the u. s,
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but pretty much anywhere in the world. because i'm constantly going to be in fair because i cannot see actually how much debt in real terms is out there in the market. which could completely not lead tank. well, my investment, i would go as far to say that this is fraud. i would just put this into a, into a real terms example for you. so let's say you and i set up a company. now when we went to investors and raised money and we did not disclose those investors, how much money or how much debt was on our balance sheet on our books? well, if our investors found out in a report to, that's the, please you and i would go quite rightly going to present the defrauding that. however, in this case, it looks like, you know, we, we talk a lot on the prob, about the difference between the u. s. is so called rules based order in international law. it appears that the us have absolutely no respect for international law. and now even very basic tenants of draw such as fraud. so yeah, i think this is a highly illegal act on the international state. well that's all for me today. up next to the level of on for full. i'm more of a mommy wish you all a terrific. ah
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ah ah ah, ah ah ah. hello and welcome to crossed up. were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle . according to french, president emmanuel, look wrong. the continent must decide whether wants to be free or a vassal of china or the united states. but crone has never been known to be an original thinker. however, on this point,
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he is obviously right. the real question is whether is europe still has the power to decide its fate at all? ah, to discuss these issues and more on joy, and by my guess, martin j america. he is an award winning journalist and commentator. and here in moscow, we have to meet re, bop, and she is a political analyst and editor. it interests me, internet media project or a gentleman cross up roles in effect, that means he can jump in any time he want. and i always appreciate it or not start, i was martin in motor cash. i'm, as i said in my introduction, martineau, i many weld mac chrome. this map you know, that the brightest guy me doesn't come up with original ideas. but every once in a while he does say what every one knows is obviously to be true. ok. he counted so he's like this. even the odd guy on even days he totes the line on odd days, thess, he let something out. ok, is it, it's probably the only reason why follow what he has to say,
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but he's absolutely right about this. that when i find really interesting is the very fact that he would say something like this. me this already too late, isn't it? go ahead. more on so many levels, you know, most of what's coming out and i'm a frond macaroni and a few others now is too little too late. i mean, i think is a rather fatuous archman actually to, to pitch the you somewhere in the middle or, or at least needing require him to, you know, ties her, their colors to a certain mass. would it be china or whether that be the u. s. clever must have big china. um, but you know, micron is on his own. i mean really is, is, is completely isolated and within he, you, i disagree with you. when you say is not very graphic. he is quite bright. i think you mean politically of richard. but i think i intellectually quite small guy and am, he's got an incredible amount of pressure on him at the moment. i mean, france is imploding and he car ready take a much more of the stretches. couple days ago there was
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a 1000000 people marching. i'm in paris at this sort of descent. i'm continues in, are they the than the arguments from the unions and parents is the new matter on has to go your, the proper. but really, the essence of this is the, is the ukraine war and why the west has pitched itself to met for macro on to make . these are in sundry comments to the rest of the you is really interesting because it shows that we are in a point now where there was a sudden full ring of arrogance and stoic, obsessive her focus towards the end game. as you liked to cool all you like to was called me up of this phrase and go, i'm, i think alias begin to realize that there actually isn't and, and guide absolutely credible on. there isn't a situation where they him want to win. i mean, his comments are really interesting because they full what something like a week after diva house starts on the liberator and upon europe in group, in the ok. paulman said to emy, pays me piece,
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look when losing and that the battle with the russians, the he, you, sanctions just aren't working. and there they amount to 0 global his words. but he added to that, i wrote about it in an article for c, r c, just a week ago in a russian sanctions are working. he added to that, that are not only are the sanctions, not, not, not work, but things much of the coming worse in our relations with russia. because you're conscious with that license like, like at least not to trade with russia. but in fact, on the 7th, e u, member states are actually impulsive, less from russia, from the shore, the rest aren't will change more unless think it will have from it. if i say cataclysmic, error of judgement, if you're banging vishal table and you know, and, and making this battle chugs tools, the ukraine thou war. and you think that there's been game where the europeans gwin . so i think this is flooring. oh says some, this arrogance this mindset also humans is on a changing yet. oh,
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because ring forced to reality is forcing them to i deem also on the same interview that i'm a crown made. he. he also said, um, i'm gonna tend to agree with barney and he's not stupid, he's politically stupid, but he's like intellectually stupid. okay. could i make that abort team a? he also talked about, you know, what, you know, we always talk about even on this program, europe, but, you know, even he pointed out the europe is not united. he didn't used to work populace, but he was making reference to them. is that you know, of this conflict in ukraine oak for so we have like break that we had the, and catastrophic gland merkel decision on immigration in 2015. this is one event after another, the ukraine, ah, situation because the wet west is so vested into this, obviously ridiculous gambit. is it new or even saying mom, a greater divisions, divisions are always there, but they're just becoming more apparent in europe itself. and he's making reference obviously to eastern error thema, well just dirt gold are one they use,
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i. ra, squeak the hands of foreign ministers. overly through any a lot man does thorn yet require demand. that for all chancellors stoltz to sheep deliver no but dense to keep them in. could you imagine the, just like 5 years ago, are you with nasty, you know, and as the foreign ministers already through ania, estonia are requiring saw it prove the chancellor driven, you know, i'm talking about laquan. of course, he is not very much wiped in russia. some people call she him even compassion, bro. full could he got, you know, will. and he kept saying, i'm going to quote which and i'm wondering fujen. well, at the same time, sandy and 4 weeks up dance to do it, to the crate and gov, i mean, that was very strange. what was the book and about piece? well, at the same time, adrian oil with a fire in a crate. oh, but you're absolutely right. if we look at the big picture, i think the best and that is this was provided by a manuel thought,
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a french thinker in his interview glove he got all last week. he basically said, oh ok of france and germany appeared to be full. i mean, they didn't anticipate of the russian special of the region in the ukraine. why? because they were not installed and they didn't know. ah, to what extent o the u. k. though night the states and follow have armed you gray. they didn't know. and, and where a, when there had been some food of late and now we're afraid to now did just clinical details. i mean the had a german 4 in services, we believe the spic date that was court. can you grade? you know what, when that attack started, but they had to sound special troops to get him out or out and keep the same story with france. you know, it was completely concrete bad people from the french embassy it in their, in here for are now see you it, you know, there, there full lamp. s that 4 of which in them in a terrible situation. ah,
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so basically it ah, asked simona todd writes e key is it is, as she says, that interview on the axis in europe shift that for all fairies and berlin to washington london war. so, i mean, isn't that a disaster where you rook, you know, to be ra, by old sake, was this we the, ah, you know, oh, so been acc, hostage on east european nationalism. and who got it? what is government is named what it meant, the west european personally we can be surprised, they suppose, but then they can go back to martin here. that will shame utterly here a p and leaders here. but me, i me, what did they call? okay, who did they blame? they had themselves to blame for all of this. i want to head on to that here in the same interview the microphone gave, are you, he talked about a crisis of capitalist, which was really quite interesting coming from a banker himself. and i tend to agree with him, but when he calls it, a crisis of conscience is the conscience of demo of democracy,
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which i get tired of that kind of verbage. but i would throw it to both of you. no one wants to say, but it's a crisis of ideology, but you know, this is an ideological paradigm in it's working less than less for the majority of people in the country in the countries that rules over it. that says patently obvious. and leadership has to say, well, to the crisis of democracy, prices of, of capitalism as the prices of ideology. mar, yeah, it is. i'm if you, if you look at her within the prism of, i'm not just even mistakes but the ears so, but actually even worse for brussel because brussels is, is a very young and experience and rather thoroughly crow church. i'm, it's very good at them. getting 28 member states together and working out. so new legislation full the let's windscreen wipers. i'm good on bigger picture stuff. you know, bigger policy stuff like was some conflicts. i'm is no very good is the so much division, not just atlanta assist on eastern european countries,
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the one slide and franco german federalist on the other. the remote divisions of that i'll, i think this is when we talk about crisis of i didn't, she, i think it did. this is what matt colonaze really touching on the nodes. but there is a lack of confidence in governance generally in western european countries, you know, and the ukraine was actually made as much worse, because people are really stunned question on what sicily about. i mean, how do we end up winning, even if we, when it evens people assigned to say, even if the you push russia out of ukraine and what, what? well, the spoils for us is incredible. how cynical people is incredible, how people in mumble re london taxi drivers are realized that when energy prices go back down again, government tend not to pass that saving back to consumers. they tend to snatch it, you that. so there's no win win for westerners, and the crisis of ideology is just becoming more and more. i'm obvious. you know, it's really interesting on the dementia. good up. her tanks, issue in
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a incredible that. um, the defense ministers would openly discuss this and make it public, say, a father incredible. you know, because hooted must be laughing, his health, you know, so we've got the state now where festival we give credibility to the ukrainians for knowing how to run the run war. ha, you know, try and stop laughing at that. they don't know what they're doing that, but if we're going to give some credibility, a tooth to the cabal of advisors to, to choose lensky. you know, do they really know what they're talking about when they say the look, the silver bullets and ukraine attacks. the loading sure. i agree with that. i'm wondering whether they've got some do lined up with some middle eastern buyer or, or, or as arena recently. african leaders now start to point out that these, this equipment started to turn up in a central african republic sir, is it already about tanks if it really to we can really answer my boucher and terms twitching a lot. when i hear the stories about tangs, but if it is,
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it possible tanks are fungible yet, but if it is about tax, you know, physical zelinski has another people to, to, to run these 3rd sets or to operate in his tanks. but an interesting how biden's pulled back, i'm from sending abraham taste, which are probably the best tanks in the world. i'm to ukraine and the excuses in is come up with, which is probably annoying the europeans a lot. you know that it really is, this rule really is about on winners and losers. and europe is just a loser over and over again. whatever the story really aren't. but the abrams tanks just to kind of go along with, i just sat here. i mean, i would end up in an, in, in, in a show room in moscow. i mean, he would think there would be sold to that, but he sold, okay, there, mentor, i know to little articles the yes it is all be as, because you know that the biden is saying, oh, you know, these tanks are quite complicated on the, not the right, fueling a crime, and this training involved for goodness sake, these tanks, rogan to iraq in a matter of minutes in the into the jesuit, is to watch what you get to ukraine. it's b. s. were being,
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were being lied to by the americans. again, i think micron to came could it rescue him just want mine a pointer for the here, which hurts me. i think his, the, on the ian leader who's prepared to stand up and actually say this to the americans . the, you're really tranquil, the whatever eyes you know, we are, the ones are going to pay the biggest price it. an ownership of tanks is interesting because you latest. now i think a stones who admit openly that they don't actually wants western countries or europe to actually when the war and you crank national would have on certainly germany, us, won't that. but germany walks where it believes is a can what? when a was finally a patricia that slowly weekly went out in the year. i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion and to really stay with our team.
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home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah okay, let's go back to the him here in moscow. but one of the things i think is interesting here, since we're talking about mccrendon, we can throw in who i called. um a sergeant schultz here in there seems to be concerted effort. i've talked about this many times in london in washington. really, just want to get rid of shield, said l. white social democrats never have, but mccarran, inn, and shelter if you what he watch them observe them carefully. is the only 2 european leaders that are actually thinking about the day after the week after the month after the year after this conflict comes to it. you see he comes in there every all the time. because and i, and that's an implicit, if not the way i read an explicit admission that this is this a failed strategy and the sooner we get it over the better for everyone. dina. well,
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i think you were right. you, benson, i'd your, would you be, or, you know, the drawn to stand out how the french and the germans worked themselves into this mass. the keyword is, i do, or would, you know, i remember you. his memoirs, andre alexandra, argon was brand new, was advised for him for his head wiser. you know, he was asked up, why did pairs of gold been gayness? and, and the arctic sound i'm gonna was, had not been informed about, i mean, he quoted dropped with the one and only beijing at us call. but want to deal with, i mean, and, and robo said, i mean his dead stop the conversation could and, and the outing sound of wagon took in his explanation to rule that basically, bradley was a hostage to, i do old. he thought that he had the good, you know, because of his obligations before that formula psychology before that, the murder that we're going to need a iraqi in the same way. so in germany, a petition said, becoming horst, it is ideology. you can't imagine. i mean, i read gum and press every day if, if there is a,
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she'll though dissent like hint of dull, should we sant onto your brain immediately? that person is school, which unfair stare up against france, you know, is on the payroll of law school. how do these, a petrol is feel your or get you know all of these insult and terrible statements and the, and the i think this is a very important the feature of that that he tarried the white through. accuser ashcroft a territory? well, he, german, yet thou and it, frost, unless it's then they mix. oh, they mix up what it takes of morals, if you are a gains, save your arms too great. you are an moral person. you know that they, they, they make the same you, they basically use the same tactics, asked the 3rd you sent in the forty's. if you are not for germany, if you're not, but he'd what you are, you have betrayed your love a girl, you're a traitor. so basically you're absolutely right that the, these people down the step, oh, what a mess they gave themselves people that might,
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charles has been regen his feet, or one said intent. he didn't, i didn't, he didn't have them there. but what about the morality to both of you about the prolonging of war that has already come to an end? i mean, in the, the ab destruction of infrastructure, the suffering of civilians and this loss of soldiers. maybe it is unconscionable to continue this conflict away. they have, but this is where we are. i want to talk about at other european character here, just a brow. i'm always happy when he talks, as he give lenny to reactive blendy. this guy is going to go down in history. okay, is probably speaking more anders than anyone else in such a short amount of time. martin burrell said, incredibly, he said, i want to stress this to everyone. incredibly, he said the following. the west must keep army ukraine. because moscow defeated napoleon and hitler, i mean, this is why don't know what guy did is t,
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this guy is docked in of albert would not be a clue. like, we have to wrap this up because history tells us, what is this guy talking about? why does he add the position that he does? it's an inner note. there's only one silver lining in this powder, which is i can assure you of to working on brussels will of me is that most you senior officials and he presto, taken very seriously. i mean, his position was never serious position. you know this talk to you to promote air where when the brits run run that particular circus. see the ideology and brussels was whenever take when we can't take e foreign policy and seriously. so it's really important that we get some 3rd right politician and no one who has no real cloud neural gravitas in he fits stopped bill . he's a socialist for men training country and especially just yada, yada, yada. no one really takes gross seriously, but i think to go back to macro. and so smith langley, i think we do take back on seriously. and mack on is a very to pull the speaker and he has respect around the world. and i'm surprised.
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m picks up on something else. he said, just in the last couple of days, he said he states it that and this feeds into this, this failed state ideology idea that you've come up with, which i agree with, which is that because we, we don't have a single ideology with our, my jealousy that i am one could even re take serious in the longer term that he does not have any ideals your tool and beyond brussels. but hit macro on said we need to reach out to the russians. we need to actually understand way that they think and, and actually asked them, well, what would be your defense m guarantees in you cried if we were ever to talk about that as amazing as an amazing mission that we've got to position where our own ideas are complete, sega, we're not winning, and we call sandy and gay around, people are suffering either, but then almost the same day macro also makes a state that we, what we should increase our supplies to ukraine, asked what new cray? it's still what, what the hell is going on here?
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it is lovely. i wasn't going to be able to really focus so much. i'm a grown illness, but i think you bring up a very good one. i wanted to explain to my frustration. okay. i was very dismissive, i'm in my introduction, i, i, you kind of pushed back. i've kind of agreed with you. i mean, he's not intellectually, he is bright, politically, he is stupid, but i guess what my frustration is here, being a successor to de gaulle, which every french president compares himself to de gaulle. he's not a leader. see, that's my gripe. he's not a leader. he can say the right things, but if he don't have any power that grab at taos, the careers, more of that office, the opiate in air, that historical standing then it really irritates me to the point of being dismissive, i think i've explained myself your thumbs. yeah. but he, but the thing is, is not great either, but i am, he is the president for us is gonna look at least 3 is an office and he's beginning to see, but he's not gonna make it is beginning to see that the e u project,
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which he'd like to be the crescent of in 2029. and he's the favorite in my view to become the de breslin. there won't be anything left of the easement to verse $29.00 . it will be a crackpot lunatic. you know, i'm out fear i'm over run by 4. i repeat the european parliament and everybody at that point, we're looking to the leisure to streamline it. so in one respect to the frank war is pushing this agenda. ukraine was winning on so many levels in the week. we always talk on the program about ukraine war beyond the ukrainian borders. and this is another way of where russia is thinking long term and thinking, you know, the e u is definitely crumbling, as really fall into pieces. you've got people disagreeing with each other about how to move forward. mostly want to win. legend if it is a fear of reprisals, revenge attacks from, from russia, the americans are pretty smart and realize that as a possibility they don't want to send a tank. so the long, long ranger, but michelle's fair keeping of it, you know, let your pay the price for all this. i'm but to macros, sees m failure and doom and despair. and this is why he's now banging the drum and
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talking about the possibility of talking to russia about peace. i mean, if you look at her, you know, the sale that he ology and, and people, i mean, the actual, the 40000000 citizens that make of the you that are going to be part of this at some point where we talk about european elections next year. and company has time, will mattress policies, some failing and strikes, become even bigger than i'm half a micron is now farmers gone strike. and bill stock calling for him to be live, so message to kill it from an outsider, looking in, i mean, in a dimmer europe is thought for, i mean it, it populates the european union's population is larger than near lighted. states a g. d, p is larger if you look at collectively here, but he doesn't have its own google, it doesn't have its own amazon, not that i think they're great things. again, they don't have her on facebook, but it is. if i do, that's a great thing. but any through, i mean from an outsider, looking him if he, they have everything that's necessary to be a great power. however, they've chosen not to it, it is
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a craven choice. and i think that the historians will be very curious how they got to where they are today. go ahead demon. oh, of course did slide all the jap, sorry. are those are the story with mark roll at the bottom of the few why states that he made in the last weeks was a. he said that, that you, dan broke out, she ation after your brain sends out russia and we will capitol taken 3 called russia security concerns. yeah. and what happened all their french brass, all the german press unleashed halem, he immunization. how can you imagine this yellow radishes, security concerns, and then they ask, why is why shall frighten in you grade wise? rush without giving up will. because if you are not going to bacon, took out our security, consider it, but they gave us nothing. mark the name, hang on here. what, what is frustrating for, for that because it would be the legacy media, mainstream media,
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the never give context, but i think all of us were talking until we were all blue in the face that the russians gave them that opportunity in december of 2021. we need security guarantees. we need to sit down and it's getting to a point of going beyond the you know, know what? no, no, no point. and they didn't believe it. i read it in anyway and you're absolutely right about the context. i mean amal thought and his interview. she says, yeah, it depends on the lance that you're using. if you just appoint your last ukraine in february of 1000, thank you, juan assorted without acquainted too. you will see russian troops moving from east to west. but if he was so mild, and if you take the time like 10 years when he has 15, yes, you see lot so soldiers, woo, him. prone west to eat your c. nato expanding to united niger mind, go. poland to check republic and con, agreed to 1000, fought at age of the baltic. republics. romania suddenly became a very war style,
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counted the what's russia? so if you take the big picture russian, so respond d in down lot a starch in the mass. they're responding to this huge wound meant all western grew strong west to east that took place in the last 10 years. so again, these people back won't next. and because they lack want ext. uh, the only way they can defend their position is though just to lash out that any kind of old. you can't imagine what's going on in europe right now. i mean, oh, all the people who are objection to this, they needed you label. oh goodness, as best as far right? yeah. you know a song while there's just because she said that she agreed with an arctic indifference was magazine that the united states and china brought it from this she traced while europe was losing. she was lame as your school names by thousands of
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people, you know, one tweet and elsewhere. and the reality is, you know, i'm just quoted gov or stein doc for all my other, your focus magazine. he basically as grew up that the biggest, with a strong dismiss, their 1st the, you asked defense poppins. they're also european defense companies such as b, a, b, e, g in the u. k, a down arcos meet lip. let's not forget, you know, the economic interest here. a and lee was us. i, you, russia i vied, we finally got to the boys who benefits from this catastrophe. okay. and we just did jazz all the time. we have one thing, my guess in medication moscow and i think our viewers for watching us here. rp cnx time, remember russell's ah ah ah,
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with everything you need to resist is this impulse of wanting to direct a double standard form of international conduct toward us as independent as relations with russia, a corporation beyond western influence? while sending time see greater, lose your intellectual status. the choice poland is given germany in berlin waivers on a given okay. on the re export of its weapons and security.

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