and nephews, a beer niecy and several other party workers as police raid the p t. i workers, residents, no one knows how this drama will end. at midnight m m. hon. supporters arrived at his residence from all parts of the city. some, even from others, followed chandry spoke to media to a m and was then arrested outside his home, around 6 to 615 and the judicial magistrate refused to remind him to police and ordered officers to produce him before a relevant court in islamabad. at 1st, they were only rumors of his arrest, but when peachy supporters saw a child re in police custody on tv, they rushed to summon park to protest. these p t, i supporters warned the authorities that they would not allow the government to arrest him. now hon, senior party leaders are said to have arrived here, and emer hahn is reportedly sharing a high level meeting for consultation. it is believed that they are discussing preventative police measures, a temporary government, and the next general elections. prosecutors have requested an 8 day detention for

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at times dangerous, and very important job. record a legendary to word dog. her mall charla hillock and yet still very severe, missed him. edward cheered, he remained silent for a long time and then finally stepped out at the political shatters and wrote quite a remarkable article for his last year. because we will definitely talk about that piece of because you shared a lot of interesting things. but, but 1st i would like to go back a little if i may. the last important event that we remember is when you were, it's changed. when you 1st found out the you would be exchanging it, did you believe it would actually happening? yes. and can you share what he felt that day and more 5th or do little believe i was one m m would say category him. naturally, i felt a whole range of emotions, one on him, on the one hand,

and i wanted to believe and did believe that the exchange would really happen as the scholarly. on the other hand, i had doubts until the last moment that it would take place is of the letter, and i was notified about the sward. on september, the 20th 2022. and on the 21st, i was moved around a lot. we are on the 1st shall we flew to poland and i spent year 12 to 14 hours without leaving the plane. so i realized that they were negotiating me as i was guarded by officers from the main directorate of intelligence of the ministry of defense. and the security service of ukraine is ball and they were constantly in communication with some one move. sure, thanks. i understood from their communications that the exchange wasn't done deal with with them as we learn later things, these doubts were unfounded when in the past. but the realization that the exchange

would really happen came to me when we flew from poland to ankara. is wilson. when i saw a russian jet, i knew that it was happening. and of course, he said, i am sure, really grateful to russia's leadership for this exchange. meeting, they helped me and my family. they also yeah. it was a very difficult time in my life. i thought of and in the life of my family and ways. yeah, i think it was the most difficult time in the life of myself and my family. it, by the way, i am thankful that i didn't have to go to the terrible fate. i could have gone through in ukraine. that because of the criminal cases against me. yeah. that were fabricated in 2019 to 2020. all of them. but i would have been sentenced to 15 years in prison itself, and that's what they told me. and i believe they would have done it yet with a needle, even though there were no legal grounds for the prosecution saying as well. mother

herself. i said, well, you came here after an exchange of prisoners of war. what is your statues now? what documents do you have? if i may ask, he was startled myoshi and he is mere suttles bill goes the, you know, greenlee on the theater. well, my current status is very interesting. i was a citizen of ukraine and remain so i even have a ukrainian passport, an internal one at the board. however, zalinski is determined to destroy me as an opposition politician any aka, in his uncompromising fight against me from like the 1st of yet he issued a command to continue the criminal cases, investigations, and hearings against mailing. they are continuing with. my lawyers are defending my interest in ukraine a little later. you, me a 2nd. he made the reckless and even crazy move to strip me. of my citizenship were based on the suspicion that i had russian citizenship is old for. i have never had russian citizenship. and there was no need to because i'm ukrainian politician or

if i was have been, i didn't leave, i didn't give up it with him. i continued my fight even under house arrest. i kept on fighting even after my release as a result of the exchange. your head and these 3 months of long silence. as you said at the start of the interview, the walk, a wolf, i would not call it a silence. has been a systemic effort to help not only ukrainians, but also benefit the interests of both ukrainian and russian citizens with him that under the current circumstances, more amid the hostilities and with thousands of casualties and with the destruction of infrastructure i while the war has been wage in ukraine that this war is not for ukraine, but in the interest of the west, the u. s. the u. k. and many other countries which are settling their scores with russia during estoppel. they have made ukraine of the war under lensky government, a kind of testing ground, either or a launch pad in their standoff with russia. yes, as up. and so have spent all these months putting

a team back together. a lot of people came from kia villainy is of many people who are outside ukraine of live in russia, euro the poly war, turkey, them, that they are ready to continue to fight and have their say, thank you me see above. i think that's exactly what i laid out in my article concerning the situation which is unfolded what you do. you know, what if i make the case for the voice of another you crying to be heard in russia, ukraine, and the west. and we know for sure there is another ukraine like, but it's zalinski claim to represent the united nation. but that is a myth invented out as dinner. this unity has been built on by an exotic authority represent ukraine, claiming the ukrainian people have come together and stand strong in the anti russian narrative. and rabbit was a phobia wealthy. this is not true. apart from the anti russian voice, unless there are people in ukraine who are afraid to talk about it publicly, but have never supported the nature and dynamic of the relationship between ukraine of russia that is emerged to day. these people ukrainians,

or just like me. i believe it is a direct violation of the constitution robbie. and to deprive me of my ukrainian citizenship authority. and it's not just my opinion. it is impossible to deprive a citizen of ukraine of his citizenship except in the event of a voluntary request. it contradicts not only the constitution green's but it also contradicts an international convention which forbid such an act if a person is left stateless as a result of the yeah, initially, grasso ukraine is signed up to this international convention. they. despite this at the lens, he continues his efforts to crush his political opponents through political repressions and a legal criminal prosecution is up and yet it is a goal that he has set for himself and he's pushing towards it on his graph. the same goes for everything and i've not changed my views either under house arrest in ukraine when he saw her later, or in the custody of ukraine security services, where i was the 6 months, the former will of the prison handling. so i continue to fight,

i guess for that and today i wanted the voice, the opinion of a different ukraine. yup. of an opinion which some people are silent about. others are afraid to express that i want this voice to be heard loud and clear in russia, her knee in ukraine, and in the way out there, your cousin, there are people who represent different ukraine. he will carry not the ukraine run by band, right. the other ukraine, which has nothing in common with the statements and policy of no naziism thing, pursued by the lensky to pay me unless his mom got a repair order. the asking me to what was the trust lab rally commander was he said she was sand latino. i have a buy. it is a nor will cry. you know, you are preparing to renew ukraine in your article. you've sat ukraine, the new movement to say that here you are against the country becoming a state for jet political struggle as borg o problem. you seem to get the rooms to play broad. you believe you're right. is that, that there are people who are against zalinski policy and this other ukraine must

be heard, nancy, by anything. and it can be, if it gets representation, raises its voice. nadia if those who believe in this and are ready to act in that direction, could unite their supporters and say no, we've left you crying. true, but we ukrainian w. and we want to think about the future. we're had you not the future of a new ukraine as you put in your questions or that of, of, but the future of ukrainians, human brains. yup. and live. and i propose leaving the issue of ukraine's future to one side terrain as ukraine doesn't actually exist today. his soil. yet the goal of, if there is no such state. yes, he said he's, i'm an expert in constitutional law. of the zip is an after ukraine's constitution says it's an independent sovereign social democracy with the rule of law neared noises. none of that fits without status in its current state that there is no independent, all sovereign and happiness. dollar witnesses as it fell under the total external control of the west, national,

the u. s. on the u. k. in 2014 unavailable. this is not a social stake with the rule of law. look at what's happening there is this, it wouldn't, yes that the media outlets are being banned with no regard for judicial or constitutional procedures. yeah. and then you look one of those who express different opinion or eliminated, or no, it's not a real state any. all was much, it's economy is in shambles. i think you to day with the g. d. p is down by over 30 percent. usable, to put it into perspective during the world economic crises of 2008 in 2009. it was down 14 percent and it took until 2013 to restore here as a federal student, but i sent them over and they couldn't reach those 2013 figures even in 201921 though are that'd be erroneous. my view of the economy there is nonexistent. the industrial output is down 70 percent. unemployment is at 35 percent. he says, but send them to give you the mass about 5 to 60000000 work places and said no, no agriculture, an industry or in decline. the prices are growing whatsoever,

but this all means no social programs can be implemented yet. here's an example of the monthly minimum pension payment is $57.00 that you want him to poverty threshold is $70.00. when you either have, you can imagine life with a minimal pension and poverty threshold rate seems a little so the state is nonexistent. political and that's because it's policies are based on the r naziism adopted by zalinski and his clique of october for that of as long as this is, the state ideology is not simply incorrect to talk about the states future authorities by them. it's wrong. i propose to talk about the future of ukrainians, today's the ukrainians who have stayed in the country and don't agree with the landscape policies. i think the ukrainians, who had to leave for the reasons i've mentioned earlier and live abroad now in the what it's a thumb is that will us as well as their stance of disagreement and confrontational, political issues, knees representation of

a yellow stern. this is the goal that's been set for the team. i've assembled with you. so it'll push was that this team is expanding every day of getting new supporters and those who are ready to work towards those goals. gotcha. and explain those things which are destroying the narrative of the western ideology. that order that has led to this anti russia, hysteria and barbaric ross, a phobia, or even a rhythm. the probably the ideology that has created this anti russia and ukraine with its values influence and pressure. he was that to destroy this ideology. i thought it would be me for that we need to reach the people's minds that dorian show them the truth and reality of what's happening in ukraine to day doubling him . but he has some and after that, i see those people must discuss their future levels. we need to talk about the future and demand as future e. bravo, e d i as the warfare, but this will only be possible after ukraine, stocks being militaristic. also, the country drops its neo nazi policies made that was under the current

circumstances so that no future ukraine is possible. so happened is that it is unrealistic by the way, and it will remain so the current policies maintain up, they address. so we have well green if zalinski carries on trying to organize and pick the entire west against russia, with both of the girls and using ukraine as a platform to wage war. in the interests of the west, i see these up because the war in ukraine today is not about ukraine, but it is about the interest of the west. virginia, for example, is being wage solely in the interests of the west. and i think we need to make this clear to people's up order even when we need to show them the facts to prove it another than if you knew them. of. i said that esther now crying most, do you think it's possible to change anything in ukraine? even a new leader is elected another oligarchy, or some one else. will they be able to solve the issue? it's anti russian sentiment in ukraine. was i give way with the what your question

contains 2 questions actually, to subtitles. first off, it is possible to reverse the anti russian sentiments. there are already people in ukraine who don't share them. i can't say how many of it, but i know for sure that these people exist. they are afraid to speak up or do anything except because they will be destroyed by the repressive machine. again, this lawless regime that has dismantled democracy and rule of law. and there are no courts machine, there is nothing but instructions from zalinski and his criminal in a circle. and this can be changed if we work on it and explain things to people. here is an example williams. can you let say a person left ukraine and came to russia? what do you think their views are? do they consider russia and aggressor him? of course, not. before february the 24th, about 2 and a half 1000000 ukrainians lived in russia, studying or working. this is official data. do you think they listen to zalinski? coma left russia and return to ukraine. jacob their own, she may be,

some of them did with him. but very few of the rest have stayed. and how many 1000000 arrived after february 2014. how near they were forced to leave a voicemail. but why do i have to forget about my country and put you in the land where my parents are barry to the out of the country to which i have so many ties? yes, i was born in russia and we are near crush me. ask if you would, you know, but when i was in 2nd grade, my family moved to ukraine and we have lived there ever since a federal law. it became my country if a fellow and i have done a lot for that country, a deal with when i was a government official. when i was a politician also, i don't consider myself an enemy of the ukrainian people with it. well, what if i was an enemy, they wouldn't have elected me to parliament. i was elected as an mp 4 times for that. i served 4 terms in the parliament. if so it can be done with that. but we need to break the trend that started in 2014 lassie, the ante,

russia strategy here, the escalation of the anti russian hysteria and boris ross, a phobia. and we can break this trend. yes, i'm sure. now, as for your remark about another oligarch being elected to the highest office states hold elections that and i already explained to you why there is no state in ukraine right now, or what kind of elections can we talk about? yes, he can schedule an election. but it would just mean that he would appoint himself as president and a point m p 's from his list. when people who will listen to his every word and not think about what he is saying, voting a summer. and most importantly, not think critically about his action that you wouldn't just everything is possible like the yeah, but this would not be an election ridicule. yes. unfortunately, some of our party members switch side less than yeah. and now they support zelinski our enemy, but it does not mean that we should give up. as you can see,

i haven't given up be, maybe i should just stop the story, considering my story and everything else that happened in my life. that i am not going to give out of light believe that it's possible that was not only that a deal and i think it must be done. i cut that delta's not the same. yeah, i got that on the pesa lifts that here. what about you? new movement, a you rel to paris illegal, pete. now we will discuss later on what has been the response from the western media. what a wait see crane under these circumstances. when they hear it, the no way appears than their police. this is a new socio political movement. it is a movement the nisa. demonstrate that zalinski is politely speaking wrong that he claims that he is supported by a consolidated force of ukrainian people. is that he claims that russia should be destroyed and the west should be part of this effort on board. welcome to this. i say that we don't know yet. actually, this is not the real picture that you gave may require. we must unite these people

and find out what they really think. life 40 resilience for some reason when i am sure that they will stand against the government and against zalinski. and when they left, this movement will deep bunk. the fat ukraine has been wholeheartedly backings. lensky and his criminal regime, but he would have loved that. that's the main goal today. but as for the specific actions of the social movement, which representative it will choose. that depends. i am sure, millions of people who are in russia and ukraine in europe. these are the millions who disagree with zalinski policies. we need to bring them together, that they need to be united by common ideas. you can that they need to be united by common representation. and then we can talk and argue about the future of ukrainians. and about how they can contribute today to a bright and trouble free future. as i used to say of him, i admit though,

right away. sure that, that it is an uphill battle which, which in loganville. yeah. but do you have a plan for like you, me a yes, the need i don't have a plan. but plan is that when the time comes and when i see that it's realistic to implement them, i would, i would definitely make them public out of pocket doors. what about your career? would you wear now cray, in ukraine, of course lot more or maybe not, but the young pitchers cuz i young in a smarter elizabeth look me. i'm not looking for any positions my wasn't before when i was active, politically, nor to day when i am in russia after 6 months under arrest. yes it was. i think i did on the main thing to day with several ideas. need supporters. i think leaders will come applicable. so as soon as we have supporters, they will determine the leader and your place in the official hierarchy. and i feel because the big problem in ukraine today is that there are leaders. but there are

no ideas. that is the problem. this should be addressed when we were talking about the future of ukrainians over them with the way they would the ship is for that. so what's next? what should be a position did and he is not enough. what actions need to be taken? i've given you an example. ukraine has a leader, but no idea. we have an idea. that means there will be a leader and there will be action. we must make it happen as to how we're going to do it. you will see what we will do it, or at least try. there's no doubt about that. so these nasty article is occur stacked. yes, it's a 1st step. it is a 1st step that certainly a 1st step, for some reason the western movie into that a new article as russian nuclear black meal of europe and the united states. is that accurate? so here are bows up at that the wanted to win. yes, that's what interest the west most of all, and i think it's very important that they heard it because it's my point of view also that we have to move down the path of de escalation. de escalation is possible

if everyone's interests are taken into account, including russia and all other countries, as well as their security interests. or we can continue escalating the tensions which could lead to a world war. because how else can you describe the current situation? when practically all 30 nato countries, including those who only aspire to attain as high status ascending weapons and military equipment, you shipping them to the launch pad. not that the west, the usaa and the u. k. are renting from zalinski. for some reason, this launch pad is called ukraine and it's all taking place there with a. how else can you call this? this is why i am speaking about this. because it could all end in a nuclear conflict. we cannot rule that out, is seeing as the west now serves as an obedient resource for zalinski, who mentors western politicians in his appeals instructing them on how to bring

their countries to poverty as he is. how do you cry? now? he inspires the west to wage a war against russia is that she was hurting it to destroy russia, but they must understand what this could lead to. so it wasn't just a random reference. it is my point of view, like mike and i stated it openly by the way, and that wasn't the only thing they paid attention to them. i have like a very they also noticed med read chuck talked about the other ukraine when you thought that's very important. why yes, this term can be heard in discussions about ukraine, which here is med read jargon of outsource. and they began to talk. here is the government said war almost like in your question, what they will be a government in exile with the government to next. all right, no problem. thank you. but once established, even if that happens, or has ever happened throughout history, a government in exile always stays in exile. is, has always been this way he would and that,

that's not what we need is it is we need to destroy the lent his ideology. he thinks that ukraine is monolithic, that every one supports him, supports the war, and there is no one who wants peace or a different future for ukrainians. while we believe that these people exist and their ukrainians as well. they have the right to speak their minds. they have the right to be heard when his cause a little to destination. there was one that was there before the interview. he noted interestingly that zalinski lessons to the united kingdom even more than the last. why do you think that new? yeah, we're in the future, them are analysis that the lamb certain based on the analysis of what's happening is uletha. and the analysis isn't being done now way with during war time on, but began in 2019, especially after his visit to the u. k. and everything else, the u. k is influence is greater than that of the us and the rest of the west, or is the u. k that pulls the strings in ukraine and is

a major external controller than my city. and they know whatever happens. i mean zalinski and his entourage amy, they'll be fine. no matter what happens in ukraine. they'll leave and lead a com life. that's why they so calmly let their country be torn apart and fall into further poverty. but then if they let it become an arena for a stand off between russia and the where testing him is the, i seize, i found work a quote, and what was their ply, plant, bulk i did. what that the pretty was the. yeah. they have only one plan. i thought this standoff was meant to weaken russia, whatever you get. and today we are seeing this happening really by aetna, the victory of ukraine was it. but we will know is impossible due to certain objective reasons. once i get a song that i see, but it could ignite an internal struggle, you are saying, and lithography, fuel processes that could weaken russia and it's leadership. i see you as you go go

. that's the west. same assembly, which zalinski and his team are trying to pull off here is i did ask you what, when am i to zalinski you believe kalonski will hall down to tower for la ladia could you want cuz i am restore her me as if i don't know about his fate my had, but i must say, i'd very much like to see him answer for all he's done to ukraine on its people. he's destroyed the country. he's thrown it into the fires of war. this is his fault slavery. i'd like to remind you that what many have unfortunately forgotten to day over here with her about what had happened just before february. the 24th of will m m. i gave many interviews while under house arrest him and i talked about that as well. about the need to avoid war to do everything we can to prevent it. could zalinski have done something yet? i'm positive. he could have they all a dozen and moreover, he had 2000 bully,

keep up with you. he had to follow the mince could cause i to poor. you heard merkel and alons revelations all on and even polish ankle is trying to play a lawyer on huffman galvan and natalie of point of should no one was going to by python. yes. how do you guarantee the next leader won't do the same thing. that is, can we have to eradicate the article i wrote focused heavily on causes. they account for more than half of the story. what happened after the end of the cold war, there, whiny, building something new, a new world. yes. and the evolution of those events. so we must eradicate the causes that lead to what we have to day. and this is how we can rule it out in the future. we can only do it when neo nazis no longer dominate state policies when there was no military estate. when people in ukraine, i emphasize again, we'll be able to talk about the future of ukrainians or not the future of their country. there will be a different future. that is the main area we want to focus on today was honestly,

okay, an independent ukraine. yet i did not say that. i said the future future are ukrainian, the future of ukrainians as to what country and how they will live that shall be decided by ukrainians. who represent a different ukraine today or through either spice? mr nodded, shook. thank you very much. ah, i look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order is a conflict with the 1st law of the patient. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. the point obviously is to great trust, rather than a job with artificial intelligence. real somebody

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