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vicar alleging that word door, gar marcela hillock, and yet stover to sleep, mister may be cheered. you remained silent for a long time and then finally stepped out at the political shadows and wrote quite a remarkable article for his mischievous visit. we will definitely talk about that piece of because you shared a lot of interesting things. but, but 1st i would like to go back a little if i may. the last important event that we remember is when you were exchanged. when you 1st found out the, you would be exchange net. did you believe it would actually happening? yes, and can you share what he felt that day in mod, 5th or de la dablin uses one m m would say category him. naturally. i felt a whole range of emotions. one o him on the one hand and i wanted to believe and did believe that the exchange would really happen as the scholarly. on the other hand,

i had doubts until the last moment that it would take place is of the letter. and i was notified about the swore on september the 20th 2022. and on the 21st, i was moved around a lot here on the 1st hill we flew to poland. and i spent year 12 to 14 hours without leaving the plane. i realized that they were negotiating. yes, i was guarded by officers from the main directory of intelligence of the ministry of defense. and the security service of ukraine is ball. and they were constantly in communication with some one. what is your tax, what i understood from their communications, that the exchange wasn't a done deal with you even as we learn later things, these doubts were unfounded when a person, but the realization that the exchange would really happen when you came to me when we flew from poland to ankara. yes. well, she, when i saw a russian jet,

i knew that it was happening, e l, and of course his be somewhat, i am truly grateful to russia's leadership for this exchange. made me, they helped me and my family and them for they also. yeah. it was a very difficult time in my life. i thought of and in the life of my family in ways . yeah, i think it was the most difficult time in the life of myself and my family. he, by the way, i am thankful that i didn't have to go to the terrible fate. i could have gone through in ukraine that because of the criminal cases against me that were fabricated in 2019 to 2020 all of them. but i would have been sentenced to 15 years in prison yourself. that's what they told me. and i believe they would have done it. yeah. with a needle even though there were no legal grounds for the prosecution. yes or more they her saw us. well, you came here after an exchange of prisoners of war. what is your status now? what documents do you have?

if i may ask you startled myoshi and give me a status bill goes, then you know greenlee on the theater. well, off my current status is very interesting. i was a citizen of ukraine and remain so i even have a ukrainian passport. her, an internal one at authority. however, zalinski is determined to destroy me as an opposition politician any aka, in his uncompromising fight against me, from like that the 1st of yet he issued a command to continue the criminal cases, investigations, and hearings against mailing it. they are continuing. my lawyers are defending my interest in ukraine later in one second. he made the reckless and even crazy move to strip me of my citizenship. based on the suspicion that i had russians, citizenship, i have never had russian citizenship. and there was no need to because i'm ukrainian politician or if i was have been, i didn't leave, i didn't give up. if i them, i continued my fight even under house arrest. and will i kept on fighting,

even after my release as a result of the exchange and these 3 months of long silence. as you said at the start of the interview, the walk, a wolf, i would not call it a silence. has been a systemic effort to help not only ukrainians, but also benefit the interest of both ukrainian and russian citizens that are under the current circumstances. amid the hostilities and the thousands of casualties amid the destruction of infrastructure, i, while the war is being waged in ukraine effect, this war is not for you. great. but in the interest of the west, the u. s. the u. k. and many other countries, which are settling their scores with russia settings. so they have made ukraine of the war, unders lensky, government, a kind of testing ground either or a launch pad in their standoff with russia. yes. as up. and so have spent all these months putting a team back together. a lot of people came from kia villainy is many people who are outside ukraine, like in russia, euro, the poly war, turkey, them,

that they are ready to continue to fight and have their say, thank you. me, see what i thought. that's exactly what i laid out in my article concerning the situation which is unfolded. are you who do i make the case for the voice of another ukraine to be heard in russia? ukraine will and the west, and we know for sure. there is another you cradle like, by the wall. it's the lensky claim to represent the united nation. but that is a myth invented out as denay. this unity has been built on by an exotic authority represent ukraine, claiming the ukranian people come together and stand strong in the anti russian narrative and rabbit ross, a phobia of the world. this is not true. apart from the anti russian voice of life, there are people in ukraine who are afraid to talk about it publicly, but have never supported the nature and dynamic of the relationship between ukraine or russia as emerged today. these people ukrainian sapir just like me. i believe it is a direct violation of the constitution robbie and to deprive me of my ukrainian citizenship

. honestly, it's not just my opinion. it is impossible to deprive a citizen of ukraine of his citizenship. he except in the event of a voluntary request, it contradicts not only the constitution, greens, but it also contradicts an international convention which forbid such an act if a person is left stateless as a result of the yeah, misha grasso ukraine is signed up to this international convention they, despite this at the lens, he continues his efforts to crush his political opponents through political repressions and a legal criminal prosecution is up and yelling. it is a goal that he has set for himself and he's pushing towards it on this graph. the same goes for everything, and i've not changed my views either under house arrest in ukraine when you saw her later, or in the custody of ukraine security services, where i was the 6 months, the former will represent billing. so i continue to fight, i guess for that. and today i want to voice the opinion of a different ukraine. yup. of an opinion which some people are silent about,

others are afraid to express what that i want this voice to be heard loud and clear in russia, already knew in ukraine and in the west at the your cousin. there are people who represent different ukraine, c walkering, not the ukraine run by bounder rights of the world, the other ukraine, which has nothing in common with the statements and policy of neo naziism of a thing pushy by the lensky to pay me unless he has not got a repair. what is it asking me? what was the trust? my brother commander was eve sat ye the sandal it soon? know i have that. i it is that nor will cry. you know, you are preparing to renew ukraine in your article. you've sat ukraine, new, the new movement to say that via your against country becoming a stage for jap, political struggle as border or hooper. when you think that there was to buy prod, you believe you're right, is that there are people who are against zalinski policy and these are the pray must be heard. you see by and say you and it can be if it gets representation, raises its voice. or would you,

if those who believe in this and are ready to act in that direction, could unite their supporters and say no, we've left ukraine true, but we ukrainian w. and we want to think about the future. what could you not the future of a new ukraine as you put in your questions a little, but the future of ukrainians? human brains? yup. and live, and i propose leaving the issue of ukraine's future to one side train as ukraine doesn't actually exist to day his soil. yet the goal that there is no such state. yes, facilities. i'm an expert in constitutional law. of the zip is an after ukraine's constitution says it's an independent sovereign social democracy with the rule of law weird noises. none of that fits without status in its current state. that is no independent, all sovereign, and a pretty style of witnessing as it fell under the total external control of the west. actually, the u. s. on the u. k. in 2014 unavailable, it is not a social state with the rule of law. look at what's happening that says he wouldn't

. yes, that media outlets are being banned with no regard for judicial or constitutional procedures. yeah. can you look one of those who expressed different opinion or eliminated? thought no one is not a real state any. all was mother. it's economy is in shambles. i said here today with the g. d. p is down by over 30 percent of all to put it into perspective during the world economic crises of 20082009. it was down 14 percent and it took until 2013 to restoring as a federal illness. but i sent them over and they couldn't reach those 2013 figures even in 201921 though. but said pianist, not really the economy. there is nonexistent. the industrial output is down 70 percent. unemployment is at 35 percent. he said percent of. so give is not about 5 to 60000000 white places and certainly no or no agriculture, an industry or in decline to price is a grubbing for her. but this all means no social programs can be implemented.

here's an example. he says that the monthly minimum pension payment is $57.00. he would, in the poverty threshold is $70.00. when you either have, you can imagine life with a minimal pension and poverty threshold rate seems a little so the state is nonexistent. repeatable. and that's because its policies are based on near naziism, adopted by zalinski and his clique of october for the for as long as this is, the state ideology is not simply incorrect to talk about the states future authority. but if it's wrong, i propose to talk about the future of ukrainians as they still do ukrainians who have stayed in the country and don't agree with the landscape policies. i think the ukrainians, who had to leave for the reasons i've mentioned earlier, a live abroad now in the audience. the thumb is i will as, as political, their stance of disagreement and confrontational, political issues, knees, representation of a yellow stern. this is the gold has been set for the team. i've assembled with you . so it'll push was that this team is expanding every day of getting new supporters

and those who are ready to work towards those goals. gotcha. and explain those things which are destroying the narrative of the western ideology authority that has led to this anti russia, hysteria and barbaric ross, a phobia, or even a rhythm of harmony. the ideology that has created this anti russia and ukraine with its values influence and pressure. he was that to destroy this ideology about what he really for that we need to reach the people's minds that dorian, show them the truth and reality of what's happening in ukraine. today, doubling him, but he has some and after that here i see those people must discuss their future revolution. we need to talk about the future and demand is future in bravo. e v i less, there was still, but this will only be possible after ukraine stocks being militaristic as well after the country dropped its neo nazi policies made that was under the current circumstances so that no future ukraine is possible. so that means that it's unrealistic. but the other way and it will remain so if the current policy is

maintained up there yet, is mika well green? if zalinski carries on trying to organize and pick the entire west against russia, with both of those legos and using ukraine as a platform to wage war. in the interests of the west. i see these up because the war in ukraine today is not about ukraine. that, but it is about the interest of the west virginia for example, and he's been way to saudi in the interests of the west. and i mean, we need to make this clear to people's up either even can we need to show them the facts to prove it another than you know them. as i said, that is thorn. okay. well most do you think it's possible to change anything in ukraine? even a new leader is elected another oligarchy, or some one else will they be able to solve the issue at anti russian sentiment in ukraine? was i give over the what your question contains 2 questions, actually, 2 subtitles. first off, it is possible to reverse the anti russian sentiments. there are already people in

ukraine who don't share them. i can't say how many, but i know for sure that these people exist. they are afraid to speak up will do anything because they will be destroyed by the repressive machine. again, this lawless regime that has dismantled democracy and rule of law. and there are no course machine. there is nothing for instructions from zalinski and his criminal in a circle, and this can be changed if we work on it and explain things to people. here is an example williams calling you let say a person left ukraine and came to russia. what do you think their views are you? do they consider russia an aggressor? of course not before february the 24th, about 2 and a half 1000000 ukrainians lived in russia, studying or working. this is official data or do you think they listen to zalinski? coma left russia and returned to ukraine. catherine, she may be, some of them did with him, but very few of the rest have stayed. and how many 1000000 arrived after february

2014. how many of they were forced to leave a voiceover? why do i have to forget about my country and you forget the land where my parents are buried, we have in the country to which i have so many ties. yes, i was born in russia than we are near crush me ask if you are you not. but when i was in 2nd grade, my family moved to ukraine. and we have lived there ever since that although it became my country. if a fellow and i have done a lot for that country, a deal with when i was a government official, when i was a politician up and i don't consider myself an enemy of ukrainian people with it. well, what if i was an enemy? they wouldn't have elected me to parliament as i was elected as an mp 4 times wasn't. i served 4 terms in the parliament, so it can be done with that. but we need to break the trend that started in 2014. i think the anti rush strategy here made the escalation of the anti russian hysteria and boris ross, a phobia. and we can break this trend. yes, i'm sure. now,

as for your remark about another oligarch being elected to the highest office states, hold elections that and i already explained to you why there is no state in ukraine right now, or what kind of electrons can we talk about? yes, he can schedule an election. but it would just mean that he would appoint himself as president and a point m p 's from his list. when people who will listen to his every word and not think about what he is saying, voting for somebody. and most importantly, not think critically about his action either. wouldn't it just everything is possible like the yeah, but this would not be an election. it you? yes. unfortunately, some of our party members switch side less than yeah. and now they support zalinski our enemy, but it does not mean that we should give up. now, as you can see, i haven't given up, i may be, i should just stop thought he considering my story and everything else that

happened in my life. that i am not going to give out of my believe that it's possible that was not only that, i think it must be done. i got the double tunnel, a detainer. i got that on with a solid state here. what about a new movement? a, you rel to parity leo, pete, now we will discuss later on, what has been the response from the western media. what a wait see crane under these circumstances. when they hear it, the norway appears in their police. this is a new socio political movement. it is a movement that needs to demonstrate that zalinski is politely speaking wrong, that he claims that he is supported by a consolidated force of ukrainian people. with that he claims that russia should be destroyed and the west should be part of this effort on board. welcome to this. i say there were no. yeah that she, this is not the real picture you gave lay require you. we must unite these people and find out what they really thing. life 40 resilience for some reason when i am

sure that they will stand against the government all and against zalinski. when they read. this movement will debunk the fact that ukraine has been wholeheartedly backings, lensky, and his criminal regime. she will have long that's the main goal to day. but as for the specific actions of the social movement, which representative it will choose. that depends. i'm sure millions of people who are in russia and ukraine in europe. these are the millions who disagree with zalinski is policies. we need to bring them together. he's not they need to be united by common ideas even that they need to be united by common representation. and then we can talk and argue about the future of ukrainians with me and about how they can contribute to day to a bright and trouble free future. as i used to say of him, i admit though, the way shocked that that it is an uphill battle orgy working organization. but do you have a plan that you, me a yes, the need?

i don't have a plan. but plan is that when the time comes and when i see that it's realistic to implement them i, i will definitely make them public out of pocket doors. what about your career? would you wear an upgrade in ukraine? of course not more or maybe not, but the young pitchers cuz i union us my through elizabeth look meet. i'm not looking for any positions my wasn't before when i was active, politically, nor to day when i am in russia after 6 months under arrest. yes it was. you're right. i think ideas on the main thing to day with. that'll ideas need supporters. i think leaders will come think of what was that one. as soon as we have supporters, when they will determine the leader and you will place in the official hierarchy and i feel more because the big problem in ukraine today is that there are leaders . but there are no ideas. that is the problem. this should be addressed when we are talking about the future of ukrainians over them with the late may war. the ship is

still there. so what's next? what should be a position did and he is not enough. what actions need to be taken? i've given you an example, ukraine has a leader, but no idea. we have an idea. that means there will be a leader and there will be action. we must make it happen as to how we're going to do it. you will see, but we will do it or at least try. there's no doubt about that because there's the article as of her stat. yes, it's a 1st step. it is a 1st step. that's certainly a 1st step for some reason the west, the movie into that a new article as russian nuclear black meal of europe and the united states is that accurate study? here are doves up at that the wanted to win. yes, that's what interest the west most of all, and i think it's very important that they heard it because it's my point of view also that we have to move down the path of de escalation. de escalation is possible if everyone's interests are taken into account, including russia and all other countries,

as well as their security interests. or we can continue escalating the tensions which could lead to a world war. because how else can you describe the current situation? when practically all 30 nato countries with including those who only aspire to attain as high status ascending weapons and military equipment, the shipping them to the launch pad, not that the west, the u. s. up and the u. k. are renting from zalinski. for some reason, this launch pad is called ukraine, and it's all taking place there with a. how else can you call this? this is why i'm speaking about this. because it could all end in a nuclear conflict. we cannot rule that out, is seeing as the west now serves as an obedient resource for zelinski, who mentors western politicians in his appeals instructing them on how to bring their countries to poverty as he is. how do you cry? now? he inspires the west to wage

a war against russia. if he was urging it to destroy russia, they must understand what this could lead to. so it wasn't just a random reference. it is my point of view if i like, and i stated it openly by the more and that wasn't the only thing they paid attention to them. i have like a very they also noticed med read chuck talked about the other ukraine when he thought that's very important. why this term can be heard in discussions about ukraine, which here is med viejo in of, of source. and they began to talk here is the government said what almost like in your question, what they will be a government in exile with the government to next. all right, no problem. thank you. but once established, even if that happens, or has ever happened throughout history, a government in exile always stays in exile. is, has always been this way he would and that, that's not what we need. we need to destroy the land. his ideology. he thinks that ukraine is monolithic, that every one supports him, supports the war,

and there's no one who wants peace or a different future for ukrainians. while we believe that these people exist and their ukrainians as well. they have the right to speak their minds. they have the right to be heard when his cause a little to destiny. this could understand that was there before the interview. he noted interestingly that zalinski lessons took the united kingdom even more than the u. s. why do you think that new? yeah, we're in this, we should them are anal, is that the lamb certain, based on the analysis of what's happening is the only thing and the analysis isn't being done now way with during war time on, but began in 2019, especially after his visit to the u k and everything else, the u. k is influence is greater than that of the u. s. and the rest of the west is the u. k. that pulls the strings in ukraine and is a major external controller than you might to do. and they know whatever happens,

i mean zalinski and his entourage amy, they'll be fine, no matter what happens in ukraine. they'll leave and lead a com life. but that's why they so calmly let their country be torn apart and fall into further poverty than if they let it become an arena for a stand off between russia and the wes thing him as though i sees i flung book aqua and what was there? ply, plant again, what that a pretty of us the yeah, they have only one plan. i thought this standoff was meant to weaken russia, whatever you know, got it. and today we are seeing this happening green yet not the victory of ukraine . more of it, but we will know it's impossible due to certain objective reasons why there yet is that i see, but it could ignite an internal struggle. you are saying in literacy, fuel processes that could weaken russia and it's leadership. i see you record. oh, that's the west. same i thought possible. which zelinski and his team are trying to pull off here is i didn't ski walker. when am i to zalinski,

you believe kalonski will hall down to tower for la nike or what you want, cuz i am restore her me as if i don't know about his fate my other, but i must say, i'd very much like to see him answer for all he's done to ukraine on its people. he's destroyed the country. he's thrown it into the fires of war. this is his fault slavery. i'd like to remind you that what many have unfortunately forgotten to day, already with about what had happened just before february. the 24th of will and i am, i gave many interviews while under house arrest him. and i talked about that as well . about the need to avoid war to do everything we can to prevent it. could zalinski have done something yet? i'm positive. he could have they all a dozen, and moreover, he had 2 of them. bully, keep up with you. he had to follow the mince because i to poor, you heard merkel and alons revelations all and, and even polish ankles,

trying to play a lawyer on huffman shelton. and not way of polish. no one was going to buy python . yes. how do you guarantee the next leader won't do the same color. that is can we have to eradicate the article i wrote focused heavily on causes. they account for more than half of the story. what happened after the end of the cold war there when the building central new in the world? yes and the evolution of those events. so we must eradicate the causes that lead to what we have to day. and this is how we can rule it out in the future. we can only do it when neo nazis. i'm no longer dominate state policies when there was no military state. when people in ukraine, i emphasize again, we'll be able to talk about the future of ukrainians, so not the future of their country. there will be a different future. that is the main area we want to focus on today was honestly, okay, an independent ukraine. yet i did not say that. i said the future future are ukrainian,

the future of ukrainians as to what country and how they will live that shall be decided by ukrainians. who represent a different ukraine to day with rather spice mister neither chic. thank you very much. ah ah, at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free its people. and to defend the world from gray. with

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