and what say category am, naturally i felt a whole range of emotions, one only on the one hand. and i wanted to believe and did believe that the exchange would really happen as low as only on the other hand. i had doubts until the last moment that it would take place is of the letter. and i was notified about the sward. on september, the 20th 2022. and on the 21st, i was moved around a lot. we are on the 1st, shall we flee to poland, and i spend year 12 to 14 hours without leaving the plane. so i realized that they were negotiating me as i was guarded by officers from the main directorate of intelligence of the ministry of defense. and the security service of ukraine, and they were constantly in communication with some one. you've shocked what i understood from their communications, that the exchange wasn't a done deal with you, even as we learn later things. these doubts were unfounded when a person,

but the realization that the exchange would really happen came to me when we flew from poland to ankara. it was when i saw a rush and jet, i knew that it was happening 0 and of course is this. and what i am truly grateful to russia's leadership for this exchange made me they helped me and my family. they also yeah. it was a very difficult time in my life. i thought of and in the life of my family in ways . yeah, i think it was the most difficult time in the life of myself and my family. it by the way, i am thankful that i didn't have to go to the terrible fate. i could have gone through in ukraine that because of the criminal cases against me that were fabricated in 2019 to 2020 of them. but i would have been sentenced to 15 years in prison itself. and that's what they told me. and i believe they would have

done it yet with a video, even though there were no legal grounds for the prosecution showing as well. mother, i saw lots of, well, you came here after an exchange of prisoners of war. what is your statute now? what documents do you have? if i may ask you startled myoshi and he is near me or suttles bill goes, then you know greenlee on the theater. well, my current status is very interesting. i was a citizen of ukraine and remain so i even have a ukrainian passport, in fact, an internal one at the board. however, zalinski is determined to destroy me as an opposition politician any aka, in his uncompromising fight against me from like the 1st of yet he issued a command to continue the criminal cases, investigations, and hearings against mailing. they are continuing with. my lawyers are defending my interest in ukraine a little later. you, me a 2nd. he made the reckless and even crazy move to strip me. of my citizenship were based on the suspicion that i had russians. citizenship is old for. i have never

had russian citizenship. and there was no need to because i am ukrainian politician . i was have been, i didn't leave, i didn't give up it with him. i continued my fight even under house arrest. and will i kept on fighting, even after my lease as a result of the exchange and these 3 months of long silence. as you said at the start of the interview, the will go wolf, i would not coolly a silence has been a systemic effort to help not only ukrainians, but also benefit the interests of both ukrainian and russian citizens. him there, under the current circumstances, more amid the hostilities and the thousands of casualties and with the destruction of infrastructure i, while the war is being waged in ukraine effect, this war is not for you. great. but in the interest of the west, the u. s. the u. k. and many other countries which are settling their schools with russia, that any doctor, they have made ukraine of the war under zalinski government. a kind of testing

ground either or a launch pad in their standoff with russia. yes. as up. and so have spent all these months putting a team back together. a lot of people came from care villainy is all, many people are outside ukraine of live in russia, euro the poly war, turkey, them, that they are ready to continue to fight and have their say, they give me samples. i think that's exactly what i laid out in my article concerning the situation which is unfolded what you, what if i make the case for the voice of another you crying to be heard in russia, ukraine, and the west. and we know for sure the reason or the ukraine like, but it's a lensky claim to represent the united nation. but that is a myth invented out of thin air. this unity has been built on by an exotic authority. he represents ukraine, claiming the ukrainian people come together and stand strong in the anti russian narrative and rabbit ross, a phobia of the world. this is not true. apart from the anti russian voice of life, there are people in ukraine who are afraid to talk about it publicly, but have never supported the nature and dynamic of the relationship between ukraine

of russia that has emerged to day. these people ukrainian sapir just like me. he, i believe it is a direct violation of the constitution robbie and to deprive me of my ukrainian citizenship authority. but it's not just my opinion. it is impossible to deprive a citizen of ukraine of his citizenship except in the event of a voluntary request. it contradicts not only the constitution green's but it also contradicts an international convention which forbid such an act if a person is left stateless as a result of the yeah, initially, grasso ukraine is signed up to this international convention. they. despite this at the lens, he continues his efforts to crush his political opponents through political repressions and a legal criminal prosecution is up and yet it is a goal that he has set for himself and he's pushing towards it on his graph. the same goes for everything and i've not changed my views either under house arrest and ukraine, lethal her later,

or in the custody of ukraine security services where i was the 6 months that one there will only be 3 handling. so i continue to fight, i guess, but then, and today i want to voice the opinion of a different ukraine. yup. of an opinion which some people are silent about. others are afraid to express that i want this voice to be heard loud and clear in russia that will read me in ukraine and in the west at theos, cousin, there are people who represent different ukraine. c, walkering, not the ukraine run by bounder rights of the world, the other ukraine, which has nothing in common with the statements and policy of neo nazis, im thing placebo lensky, to pay me unless his mom got a. what is it? asking me, what was the trust lab riley commander, what if sad? she does handle it and soon know i have to buy it says that nor will cry. you know, you are preparing to renew ukraine in your article. you've sat ukraine, the new movement to say that we're, you're against the country becoming a state for jap, political struggle as borg. oprah, when you think of that,

it was to by a broad, you believe you're right. is that, that there are people who are against zalinski policy, and this are the ukraine must be heard. yes, he pay anything. and it can be, if it gets representation, raises its voice. nadia. if those who believe in this and are ready to act in that direction, could unite their supporters and say, no, we've left ukraine. true, but we ukrainian that lawyer. and we want to think about the future in would you not the future of a new ukraine as you put in your questions that have about the future of ukrainians? human brains. yup. and the, and i propose leaving the issue of ukraine's future to one side terrain as ukraine doesn't actually exist today. his soil yet look over. there is no such state. yes, facilities. i'm an expert in constitutional law of, as it is, an after ukraine's constitution says it's an independent sovereign social democracy with the rule of law neared noises. none of that fits without status in its current state that there is no independent all sovereign. and a pedestal,

a witnessing as it fell under the total external control of the west, national, the u. s. on the u. k. in 2014, unavailable, it is not a social stake with the rule of law. look at what's happening there is this it wouldn't, yes that the media outlets are being banned with no regard for judicial or constitutional procedures. yeah. and then you look on those who express different opinion or eliminated thought no one is not a real state anymore. mother. it's economy is in shambles. i think today was the g . d. p is down by over 30 percent of all to put it into perspective during the world economic crises of 20082009. it was down 14 percent and it took until 2013 to restore it as a fellow children, but i sent them over and they couldn't reach those 2013 figures even in 201921 though. but said pianist, not really the economy there is non existent, the industrial output is down 70 percent. unemployment is at 35 percent. percent

sure, give you the knots about 5 to 60000000 workplaces and 70 no, no agriculture, an industry or in decline. the price is a growing that with her, but this all means no social programs can be implemented yet. and here's an example of the monthly minimum pension payment is $57.00 that you want him to poverty threshold is $70.00. when you either have, you can imagine life with a minimal pension and poverty threshold rate seems a little so the state is non existent, repeatable. and that's because it's policies are based on the or naziism adopted by zalinski and his clique of october for the, for as long as this is the state audiology is not simply incorrect to talk about the states future authorities. but if it's wrong, i propose to talk about the future of ukrainians days of the ukrainians who have stayed in the country and don't agree with the landscape policies. i think the ukrainians, who had to leave for the reasons i've mentioned earlier, a live abroad now in the what it's a thumb is i will as, as political,

their stance of disagreement and confrontational, political issues, knees, representation of a yellow stern. this is the gold has been set for the team. i've assembled what you so which was that this team is expanding every day of getting new supporters and those who are ready to work towards those goals. gotcha. and explain those scenes which are destroying the narrative of the western ideology authority that has led to this ante, russia hysteria and barbaric ross, a phobia it'll. we're even a, with him. the probably knew about the ideology that has created this anti russia and ukraine with its values, influence and pressure. he was that to destroy this ideology, everybody really for that we need to reach the people's minds category, show them the truth and reality of what's happening in ukraine today. doubling him, but he has some and after that here i see those people must discuss their future revolution. we need to talk about the future and demand is future in bravo. e v i less, there was no,

but this will only be possible after ukraine stocks being militaristic to so after the country dropped its neo nazi policies where there was under the current circumstances so that no future ukraine is possible. so happen is that it's unrealistic, but yet the way and it will remain. so if the current policy is maintained upside also mika, well green is zalinski, carries on trying to organize and pick the entire west against russia. we put all that off the girl and using ukraine as a platform to wage war. in the interests of the west. i see these up because the war in ukraine today is not about ukraine. that but it is about the interest of the west 20th observer and he's been wage solely in the interests of the west. and i mean, we need to make this clear to people's up either even can we need to show them the facts to prove it. another than you know them. as i said there is thorn. okay, well most do you think it's possible to change anything in ukraine? even a new leader is elected another oligarchy,

or some one else. will they be able to solve the issue? it's anti russian sentiment in ukraine. was that you live with us? your question contains 2 questions. actually, 2 subtitles. first off, it is possible to reverse the anti russian sentiments. there are already people in ukraine who don't share them. i can't say how many of it, but i know for sure that these people exist. they are afraid to speak up or do anything except because they will be destroyed by the repressive machine. again, this lawless regime that has dismantled democracy and rule of law. and there are no courts machine, there is nothing but instructions from zalinski and his criminal in a circle. if this can be changed, if we work on it and explain things to people. here is an example. williams calling you let say a person left ukraine and came to russia. what do you think their views are? do they consider russia an aggressor? him, of course, not before february 24th, about 2 and a half 1000000 ukrainians lived in russia, studying or working. this is official data. do you think they listen to the lens?

his coma left russia and returned to ukraine when they get there. okay. may be some of them did with him, but very few of the rest have stayed. and how many 1000000 arrived after february 2014. how unless they were forced to leave a voiceover. why do i have to forget about my country? and he bought the land where my parents are buried the out of the country to which i have so many ties. yes, i was born in russia and then we are near crush me. ask if you would, you know, but when i was in 2nd grade, my family moved to ukraine and we have lived there ever since that, oh, it became my country if a fellow and i have done a lot for that country, a deal with when i was a government official, when i was a politician also, but i don't consider myself an enemy of ukrainian people with it. well, what if i was an enemy? they wouldn't have elected me to parliament. as i said, i was elected as an m p 4 times wasn't. i served 4 terms in the parliament. so it

can be done with that that. but if we need to break the trend that started in 2014 law, say the anti rush strategy here, the escalation of the anti russian hysteria and boris ross, a phobia. and we can break this trend. yes, i'm sure. now, as for your remark about another oligarch being elected to the highest office states hold elections that and i already explained he why there is no state in ukraine right now, or what kind of elections can we talk about? yes, he can schedule an election. but it would just mean that he would appoint himself as president and a point m p 's from his list. when people who will listen to his every word and not think about what he is saying very well. and most importantly, not think critically about his action that you wouldn't just, everything is possible, like the yeah, but this would not be an election. it you? yes, unfortunately, some of our party members switch side lebanon,

and now they support zalinski our enemy. but it does not mean that we should give up, not as you can see, i haven't given up b. maybe i should just stop 30 considering my story and everything else that happened in my life. that i am not going to give out of light. believe that it's possible that was not only that, i think it must be done. i got the about rational, a detainer. i got that on the salus 30th. what about a new movement that you wrote about illegal, pete? now we will discuss later on what has been the response from the western media, what a wait see crane under these circumstances. when they did it, the norway appeared in their police. this is a new socio political movement. it is a movement that needs to demonstrate that zalinski is politely speaking wrong, that he claims that he is supported by a consolidated force of ukrainian people with that he claims that russia should be destroy it, and the west should be part of this effort on board like to this,

i say other don't know the other she this is not the real picture you gave lay require you, we must unite these people and find out what they really think. life quality resilience for some reason when i am sure that they will stand against the government and against zalinski when they left. this movement will debunk the fact that ukraine has been wholeheartedly backings, lensky and his criminal regime. but he would have loved that's the main goal. to day, but as for the specific actions of this social movement, which represented of it will choose. that depends, i am sure, millions of people who are in russia in ukraine, in europe. these are the millions who disagree with zalinski policies. if we need to bring them together, is not they need to be united by common ideas that they need to be united by common representation. and then we can talk and argue about the future of ukrainians, and about how they can contribute to day to

a bright and trouble free future. as i used to say of him, i admit though it only shows that that it is an uphill battle orgy working organ. but do you have a plan like you, me a yes, the need. i don't have a plan. but plan yes. exactly. when the time comes, and when i see that it's realistic to implement them i, i will definitely make them public out of pocket doors. what about your career with you? where are no great in ukraine, of course lot more or maybe not mentally to young pitchers because i yes, my, through this if you look need. i'm not looking for any positions my wasn't before when i was active, politically, nor to day when i am in russia after 6 months under arrest. yes it was. i think ideas on the main thing to day with settle ideas, need supporters. i think leaders will come at both of us. so as soon as we have supporters, vailable determine the leader. and you will place in the official hierarchy.

because the big problem in ukraine today is that there are leaders, but there are no ideas. that is the problem this should be addressed when we are talking about the future of ukrainians over them was over in may. would issue is to that. so what's next? what should be positioned in and he is not enough. what action need to be taken? i've given you an example, ukraine has a leader, but no idea. we have an idea. that means there will be a leader and there will be action. we must make it happen as to how we're going to do it. you will see what we will do. it, or at least try, there's no doubt about that. so these nasty article is the 1st step. yes, it's a 1st step. it is a 1st step that certainly a 1st step for some reason the western media ted that a new article as russian nuclear black meal of europe and the united states is that accurate? so they are bows up that the ones who and yes, that's what interest the west most of all. and i think it's very important that

they heard it, because it's my point of view also, that we have to move down the path of de escalation. de escalation is possible if everyone's interests are taken into account, including russia and all other countries, as well as their security interests. or we can continue escalating the tensions which could lead to a world war. because how else can you describe the current situation? when practically all 30 nato countries, including those who only aspire to attain as high status, we are sending weapons and military equipment. you shipping them to the launch pad, not that the west, the u. s. up and the u. k. are renting from zalinski for some reason, this launch pad is called ukraine, and it's all taking place there. with that, how else can you call this? this is why i'm speaking about this. because it could all end in a nuclear conflict. we cannot rule that out. seeing as the west now serves as an

obedient resource for zalinski, who mentors western politicians in his appeals instructing them on how to bring their countries to poverty. as he has helped during ukraine. now he inspires the west to wage. a war against russia is that he was urging it to destroy russia. they must understand what this could lead to. so it wasn't just a random reference. it is my point of view, and i stated it openly by them. and that wasn't the only thing they paid attention to my application they. they also noticed med read chuck talked about the other ukraine. i thought that's very important. this term can be heard in discussions about ukraine. here is med viejo in of, of source. and they began to talk here is the government said what almost like in your question, what there will be a government in exile with the government to next. oh, no problem. and then you, but once established, even if that happens, or has ever happened throughout history,

a government in exile always stays in exile. is, has always been this way he would and that, that's not what we need. we need to destroy the lent his ideology. he thinks that ukraine is monolithic, that every one supports him, supports the war, and there's no one who wants peace or a different future for ukrainians. while we believe that these people exist and they're ukrainians as well. they have the right to speak their minds. they have the right to be heard wellness because i hadn't addressed this with amazon. that was there before the entity. he noted. interestingly that zalinski lesson to the united kingdom even more than the last. why do you think that that new? yeah, we're in the future. them are analysis of the lamb, certain based on the analysis of what's happening is the only thing and the analysis isn't being done now way with during war time on, but began in 2019, especially after his visit to the u. k. and everything else, no, no,

the way the u. k is influence is greater than that of the u. s. and the rest of the west is the u. k. that pulls the strings in ukraine and is a major external controller that my city of. and they know whatever happens, i mean zalinski and his entourage amy, they'll be fine, no matter what happens in ukraine. they'll leave and lead a com life. that's why they so commonly let their country be torn apart and fall into further poverty. whether they let it become an arena for a stand off between russia and where this thing him is the or sees i flung book aqua, and what was their ply? plant again, what that a pretty was for you. they have only one plan. i don't the stand off was meant to weaken russia, whatever target. and today we are seeing this happening very well, yet not the victory of ukraine was it, but we will know is impossible. due to certain objective reasons, once they get us to but it could ignite an internal struggle,

you are saying in literacy, fuel processes that could weaken russia and it's leadership. i see you as you go. that's the west. same, most of which zalinski and his team are trying to pull off is i zelinski walker. when am i to zalinski you believe kalonski will hall down to tower for la ladia? could you ones because i am store or missing? i don't know about his fate. my other, but i must say, i'd very much like to see him answer for all he's done to ukraine on its people. he's destroyed the country. he's thrown it into the fires of war. this is his fault, labour. i'd like to remind you that what many have unfortunately forgotten to day over here with her about what had happened just before february. the 24th of will and i am. i gave many interviews while under house arrest him. and i talked about that as well. about the need to avoid war to do everything we can to prevent it.

could zalinski have done something yelp, i'm positive. we could have they all a dozen and moreover, he had to bully, keep up with you. he had to follow the mince. go cause i to for you heard merkel and alons revelations. all and, and even polish anchor is trying to play a lawyer. helped me another way of policy. no one was going to buy python. yes. how do you guarantee the next leader won't do the same thing. that is, can we have to eradicate the article i wrote focused heavily on causes. they accounts for more than half of the story. what happened after the end of the cold war there when the building something new in the world? yes. and the evolution of those events. so we must eradicate the causes that lead to what we have to day. and this is how we can rule it out in the future. we can only do it when neo nazis. i'm no longer dominate state policies when there was no military state. when people in ukraine, i emphasize again, we'll be able to talk about the future of ukrainians. not the future of their

country. well, there will be a different future. that is the main area we want to focus on today is that is an independent ukraine. yet i did not say that i said the future future of ukrainian the future of ukrainians as to what country and how they will live that should be decided by ukrainians who represented different ukraine today with roger us. but mr . america chic. thank you very much. ah with

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a cheerios i had to put on with their mother and all your body bill. can you go out or hours? nice. oh boy. good to go on. what on this the well, she my, i knew i know i'm all, i can send more or 7 more good student i don't the year you're not at all for them out that they give us a lot with the 1st time in history, an entire countries culture has been cancelled the very modern weapon canceled culture. really desert wonderful. i was just the mileage so thought in william from here just me sitting there. i know you put glue. the phrase now particularly refers to canceling russian culture. yet know what to create the fuel. because it to william, i was hooked, sure, which will be your choice. so that go with that most of the separate yolanda

e them we what russia is created over the past 1500 years. there's no question actually condemned, reviled and rejected. just sort of like a funny at the middle of battle. there's a lot closer. i don't know any time i guess it'll show all the list. joining total condemnation, gross daily, and now enclosed does de escalate to cascade shostakovich that i need to you a quick tour left. but yes, you see that with the time will you do obama lee? you're not going to look it up with a

with it's dangerous because of course this means we're becoming a party to the war. you don't save people with tanks, they always say so many people are dying there. what do they plan to do at the tanks? process break out in the german capital, following berlin's decision to send the letter tanks to you pray with the locals, expressing fear over the countries roll in conflict with hungary accuses here the falsely recruiting ethnic hungarian, living in western ukraine to fight against russia with.