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i began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement because only the guys who were in the movement could really understand what the guys who are currently getting out would feel like. life after hate is an organization that was founded by for ex skinhead, neo nazi white supremacist in the u. s. in canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out, make, keep them safe, and get that kind of support that they need from other formers in order to stay out of time commanding. this is julie.

i welcome a. well, we're pioneering this past where the 1st one is to do this with the 1st one. and quite frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent farmers at this point. even if your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us in this room has the capability to help people where we, once we're, this isn't a path that anyone should have to do a loan. and if there are people in this room who have to do it alone in the beginning, and you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else. mm. mm. hi, my name is frank marie jackson, philadelphia got in the moment at any age, 13 or 14. in the movement, i got very active, especially very violent. kidnap somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out

of the movers, oklahoma city bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman right down the street. that, that little girl or something it will always stick with me. ended up going to prison for about 4 years. and that's when i got involved the skinhead movement. there's meaning behind the color of the tattoo. like if it's a solid black, tad to a person committed a murder and got away with hulu. i did some serious things, are not thankful i get that covered up. i have to look at it. no more. went to treatment last year and when i graduate my reached out to my pastor i hadn't been involved with them doing stuff. hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with the white area and resisted skinheads and hammers and heads in san diego for 13 or 14 years. we would do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color of their skin. i have left

people laying there that i, i don't know if they lived or not. i was involved in the skin had seen from mid eighty's all the way to the, to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement. but the movement and left me. it was the birth of my, my daughter, you know, getting the little girl in the delivery room. and my son was born 15 months later, you know, they saw the magnificence and me when i couldn't see it. and they gave me that, that gift that allowed me to, we humanized i became a gang member spouts. are about 18 years and started that kind of stuff and out of prison, june home, stuff like that. after surviving a race right became pretty violent and aggressive urban started started manifesting, to say towards whites as a result of that race, right? because of my role in the riot,

i quickly grew within the game one of the highest ranking members in my state. i had even made a vow that if i was going to rob steele, pillage whatever it was going to be white, we can start to feel special and what we're going through here and in it is special . but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic place. it's the same story. it's the same feelings it's, it's the human experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly it under has a very similar approach. this inaugural gathering of the former's, i think, is incredibly important. you know, we were able to get in so far as just us as volunteers working together as a team and being able to handle the load. but that, that's not possible anymore as countries in to far crisis.

the news is that we are being ethnically. oh nature we've got to reserve ourselves. we got a right to keep this nation, the nation that are for product. envision that's what we're fighting for here. everyone together now saying before the words, i want to secure the existence of the white race and the future for white children . that's what this is all about. is about stopping white genocide sobbing, multiculturalism american white working classes, angry. they, they've been systematically ignored by those major parties for decades. now, i'm looking at these extreme, white national are slight cremmit this year, nazis, these guys were active in the stream, right?

the very, very end of a continuum because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i consider to be the mainstream. because i think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why would this group that seem so privileged? feel themselves to be such victims? these guys are furious, and in many cases they're kind of right to be furious. they've been delta bad and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of entitlement that it's founded on. so when i say that their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess something's taken from them. the the the language that they use, it's all a language of retrieving risk, storing,

reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. i think i like with with word idea that i would ever back down to such a little greek like mayor, signer that i would ever got down when the governor of the state declare a state of emergency if they thought they don't understand within my heart, they don't understand the all right, they don't understand this entire moving

oh hey randy. hey sammy, i just wanted to check in with you see how you're doing before we come over new building, newly. i got my new york stuff. so good to meet you, brother. yeah. okay, great, yeah, yeah. you're here, our brother will be there in a few minutes. sorry. it's the hardest to saying i have ever managed at the time and my young 19 years, but was to get out of this house. you know, 20 is. i'm now going to lose family members are in the room and i was when i was every friends i've just had for the last 6 years, almost all they're all want to go. or so just kind of recap and fresh out. fresh on like, i think you just like one day to the next. just some questions. thanks. but he like

he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in a to be in like almost instantaneous the same day. kind of thing, you know, he was got turned at the rally, the getting beat up, he was getting beat up through protest. the side of things people were kicking them in the house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in. the people are getting out to turn to other things, alcohol, drug, other addictions or so, you know, it's, it's, you know, this make this clean break and it's, you know, it's, there's going to be issues that a whole 180 on a lifestyle my situation when i got out, it was like, i'm alone out here like i'm completely isolated. i'm alone. and i would try to tell people what my experience was like, but no one can relate. you know,

and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now. what i'm hearing is loan uncertainty cut off. i think happy to know there are others out here to understand what it's like to be in the movement. to understand what it's like to get out of the movement. to understand what is like post change as possible. there's a way out there is life after have. oh, me. the me nice a russian state. never. i've gone in the northland scheme. again. the,

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ah, lose say like or ask you like the racial and you always have been a little racist. yeah. yeah. yeah. this kind of fell into exceptions. you know, was in your like in your family when your community is ever everywhere. so normal for you then? yeah, yeah. well, i'm way lighting way like i was afraid to be open about ever come grace one's a good person. the prism never collab prison around with you know they get this walk and already had it. i didn't, i need to know what i felt, what i believe felt right. most guys in the get out,

they don't keep with it. i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what i have to do to click back. oh, so how long over the whole course your life for you involved actively as a white supremacist? i'd want michelle, it's on my shirts all the time. we always make new ones. you know, makes it more fashionable. usually. i know if it's just one big was the only for i know i, michael, i was like i was coming so as of now to kind of what i don't i haven't had it pointed up, you know, 44 magnum, you know, long, barely, you know, it's gonna take everything in time. it kicked down and came back and clean, clean shop. how long you've been clean. now, let's see what every last couple years are for 3 years. you know, should up,

should be all day long until i was doing this on this so it's called nazi know. so a lot of change is getting thrown at your right now. you know. yeah, yeah, a lot. look, you know, not using drugs, you know, familiarities gone and the racing was all correct if you will. when you guys have been lifeline. irreplaceable. you know, you're reaching out though, man. you know, you didn't, didn't, didn't do william the person. you know, god coming to hit me and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, god you oh, no, not fair balls. yeah. when you called in today we are definitely going to be down there. got real. got real quick. i can't imagine what, what, what the future holds. she ma'am, but if it's anything like what we're seeing up the glove, you know, i wanna say your struggle keep going through, you know,

scare selma. you're joining that, that, that group of men and women men who are facing the same change that you're facing right now. i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of loss while they're in the movement are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon the identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything. when they joined up at the top. what do you think about a nation or political order that is racially, they are richard the, what do you think is real of have some coffee. let's talk. okay. the mike michael, hey,

nice to meet. you know, know what form or show us is that you can, you can think as, as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have been so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this. if you did so can have that right. so can you, if you are going to pretend that this is simply an intellectual exercise, and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reach that violence was fairly new to me. i know at the beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like water to someone of wandering the desert correlated factor and someone joining about when extremis group with child trauma abuse could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol, my case of it was abandonment,

growing up in foster care. my whole life and being physically abused as a kid by my an uncle and my cousins and stuff. and i've cited since i was a kid, you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot when i was 10. walked in on him with another woman. and then bang, that's when the, the god fell off the pedestal, we started to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of, of defiance and anger and confuse i was very confused. my dad used to be like another guy being another guy. and barbara, that's no lie. i walk in and do. no, it's not in basically knocked me out with a punch. i'm out fade the black. they form a very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good enough. they're not smart enough. they're not pretty enough. they're on level,

they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid, as a young man, as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma or abuse or child abuse, abandonment. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it was depress it. the shame was, i think, compiled with humiliation. if you couldn't put her away and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives. and until we heal that shame in reaction to in another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that that's what i did. i feel like other people think they're not right. and here's a group that comes along and says, we think you're something that we think you're better, your special it was my family. it was my identity, it became the person who i was for 8 years. i found comfort and mostly because i

was angry at myself and my parents and being a part of a hate movement, gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself, it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other . the ideology as secondary. and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just a layer on top of that here and most when i got in prison and mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from my home from

a number. you know, so always goes behind here. so i figured the best statement i could make, i can join the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again, i'm going to kill you and nothing said that message better than the brother. much easier to recruit in southern out when again, it is easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break and maybe make a difference. and then you want to do and there is perfect. i guess you see i was here on around one and then i know recovered, you know, hidden viewed all my touches. so i used to be the guy with a swastika on that one and down the street and people would pull their kids literally, i've seen people pull their kids away from and i see this so yeah,

i get that reaction to somebody's looking down and like live down there. so now, you know, keep as much as possible. thank you that out of you wanted me to be able to get some of this remote program. i wouldn't be live changing because i could never see that and he doesn't call without me talk to me 1st. when you come up from nothing, you really have gotten a little bit power and i think it's nice and you know, those good to think you're in control or something that's the whole thing about you know, power, power, power. so yeah, it's hard to leave that. it's hard to give it up and go, okay. i will say with all that, but here's the thing. i've also taken on the booze. i've had everything, all the stress, i've been through years of torture for them from say okay, that was for nothing. i'm gonna leave it alone and go over here and be a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states that i know of that can be accurately described

as white supremacist. the white supremacists is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. yeah. in terms of living in african climate, it's a lot easier way. there are different, like foods falling off, the trees. yeah. black and white, have you looked at the victim service? i've looked at a lot of victim survey. ok. you're looking at how many male on black female rates were there, and the last 10 years, i don't know, approaching them 0. okay. okay, so like there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime. and that's our fax. but you think that they're more predisposed to being criminals? yes. africans. yes. or do you think it's just just what it is? i don't blame them. you don't think you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement and justice system and,

and schooling system. and the fact that up until very recently, very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access. that way we'll have to can i, i think a lot of conservatives will sail africa will destroy by the welfare states. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. howard immigrants affecting you right now. here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more serious? no, i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right. how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say, i'm willing to say it, like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people, what i'm doing everything i can to protect my people in civilization. i went down a path and like you, i was passionate. i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to

to, to make the vision come through a reality. i think your last, like i was for 8 years, and i want to know what you down the path. i am the higher ideal of what the right white race can be, and i actually have a superhuman ideal. i'm not caught up in, you know, justice or security or comfort. so white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke they, they, they, they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's rich by it's diverse and headed to the only way it's going to, it's going to become that ways. if it comes down to a civil war, i think there will be a terrible presentation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen tomorrow, it might happen in 50 years or so on. but this thing can go on. what do you think you really going to accomplish and already accomplish so much like what identity theory and as i'm the all right and i mean not to be good to go,

but my name are now household to rooms with me. i mean what, endo, to create a more beautiful world. that's exclusive of everybody. but why people ah ah. in 1884. the german empire began its colonial invasion into nam may be from the very start. berlin encouraged the white colonists to settle in south west africa and take away the best land from the local drives. the germans were actively draining natural resources and using the local population as a cheap labor source. this was causing major protests and led to a rebellion. in 19 o 4,

the hero and nama tribes rebuild against german colonial rule. kaiser wilhelm the 2nd was fully determined and ordered to suppress the rebellion with the utmost severity against the inhabitants of nam may be a germany through is 15000 well equipped army all around the country. concentration camps were built in humane medical experiments over citizens were conducted within the period of 4 years. the germans killed up to 60000 people, among which there were 80 percent of the hero tribe, and 50 percent of the nama tribe. the events in south west africa are called the 1st genocide of the 20th century, and not without reason are compared to the holocaust just 2 decades later after the massacre in namibia hitler's assault unit put on the same brown colonial uniform which push the world into the chasm of the 2nd world war

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