tv Cross Talk RT February 3, 2023 1:30am-2:01am EST
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what they want from us actually. so it's not entirely the drummond decision, but i agree with you. it's a break with our post world war 2 position in this. and i'm definitely opposing that to as many other dram ups do. i mean, we, we want to have peace with every woman that's, that's so clear. if you, ostrom, population, 80, or 90 percent would rigidly say, no, we don't want to have any war with nobody. ok, we may want to defend 2 will writes here and there, that's what we have done. and somalia and other places in molly at least that's what we were being wrote but, but to go to ukraine and send arms into a conflict and have a conflict with the russian federation. the majority of germany was and not, well, was it a good a bell based steven? it's, it's, you know, to make it the of the point even more clear when the unification of germany was happening in the, in the soviet union under a boat of a child who gave it
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a green light, was surprised a lot of people because they were reservations in western europe, not in the east year, but there was a declaration of a united germany, the germany would be a force for peace in stability. it seems to me that they have walked away from that . okay. and then when we hear the german chancellor talk about re militarization, a lot of people in the east are wondering what did we agree to for the real unification of germany. go ahead your thoughts. unfortunately, even during these 1st years officer, the cold war during health call and mr. gasha, germany did the stabilize the east of europe. unfortunately, by recognizing the at the time legal, national, florine and croatia from yugoslavia. and i think that opened the door as box as far as for the german stance. it is coming more and more clear to everyone. everybody
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what was clear, baby to certain people that were called lunatics and that germany isn't occupied country. that basically the 4 occupations dissolves, eventually turn into dual, based on dolls. and he's there in western germany. and then what happened with the fall of the berlin wall, a whole germany was occupied by the americans. and now we see that because i just want to remind you what mention this, this name. so many times i think i should get a scholarship for this guy or something. dollars, friedman because he said repeatedly in 2014 and 15 that the americans wants what the germans don't want. they want to the, for the germans to get armed, turn their peaceful industry into military industry and go to the east and what he explicitly sat in belgrade into 1141. if i was a german, i would never want that for my country, but i'm american. and the geopolitical goals of the united states are similar to
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those of great britain in the past. it is to confront the 2 most logical allies, which is germany and russia. and then again, what happened with the, with the nor stream i, and i hear this, this really loud silence from berlin. nobody is asking about the serious investigation. while before this happened we, she, we heard both dorothy and, and, and president by himself saying that more or less they were fastening that they will destroy the north stream. now it is destroyed and nobody is talking about it anymore. yeah. yeah. now matthew, in my 1st question's around here, i talked about june and german unification. and the deal was we know this from the documents. is that okay? a united germany will be part of nature, but not a one step further to the east. but it's really quite interesting is that the german question is, is again, a confronting us because that was the 1st nato expansion was the unification of
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germany. that said the precedent to keep moving further east. go ahead. matthew. know that that's absolutely right. and that, that was, i think in many ways as the idea of the pen doors box was already brought up. certainly the path towards our own, an elite or germany, germany's sacrifice and annihilation ultimately. and i think that germany is, and many germans and many politicians, though they're not loud enough, are beginning to speak up about the fact that they recognize that they're being served as a sacrificial tools. in any ways, very similar to the type of approach that was seen taken it, leading up to world war 2. when of course, you know, looking at the be hitting he hidden history of world war 2, we find the hand of anglo and american industrialists banking behind the growth of the hitler machine. originally the design was to just go straight on, destroy russia, and have them destroy each other. but ultimately that was not what hitler did. he
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did other things instead and broke from the script. that being said, he was still being manipulated by foreign forces. it wasn't a sovereign entity and just like today it's not a sovereign entity. and it's part of a broader a program that involves the rehabilitation of nazi up nazi history, pro nazi history that tries to p, russia. the point of that point, it's very interesting to go to ralph here because you know, we have, you know, we have at least a better bach, who is the most militaristic and aggressive foreign minister since ripping trop. okay. and what had missed, who brought this up yet? because the, the, the, the supporting of the ukraine in the whole faking tank debate is that it's supporting the regime in care of that has nazi and near neo nazi, fascist, speak elements to it. this is well known, this is not a hidden history here. this is a bad look for germany. ok, considering what happened in the middle of the last century ro? yes, exactly. peter and i agree with everyone here on this. what has been said now
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germany has broken the cease fire of nines of may $945.00 because to the, to plus for tree the order was called the, the treaty of settlement for germany. it's not a peace treaty. so we are still stuck with the potsdam agreement from 1945, which is actually just a cease fire agreement. and we have never had our full server entity since that time. so what is now happening? i mean, the end of 2 plus the foreign trade from $990.00, allowing us to be unified. we promise that the united germany would only have peace come from its sauder. and it's very strict under article 5 of the nato treaty that we can only participate in military actually defend lay to a territory which ukraine certainly has not yet,
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i say yet at this stage. and also we are bound by the 2 plus for treaty under international people's law that we only use our military according to the un charter chapter 7, which did allow us to go to places where it was a un resolution. but for instance, the cause of all war, it was already not so because a war has had no un mandate, no resolution by the un security comes. so here we go, we have broken it now. a 2nd time after 1945 that we are becoming party in an armed conflict. and when people are due in my country that this is not that we are not a party to the war because we only send arms and educate soldiers. no, no, it is, and that is prohibited. i mean, what happened with this,
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with germany is being set up to go to our guest in belgrade. stephen, is that, you know, of fighting to fighting russia to the last ukrainian or they throwing in the germans now or the germans also, you know, the 2nd tier because you know, what is the downside for the united states and all of this very, very good. okay. actually, this is a conflict down the cheap when you, when you're in the, in the broad scheme of things. here is a sacrifice ukraine divide, russia and in the germans are, are, are volunteering right behind me ukrainians here. go ahead and bel, good. actually, i think that also there is a broader plan to sacrifice all natan naples, eastern members, 1st of the vault extra states. unfortunately, many people are eager to go to war with russia. their laura, i don't know, this is, this is really very my friends. i lived in poland for 10 years, i know and the mind said, but i recognize it,
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keep go that as well thing. and another thing i happy to then lena bed about was mentioned here because the greens have something about going into into, into war you know, into war adventures because it was your fish in 1999 for the green party leader at the time who was the strongest advocate of bombing of the nato, russia against serbia, montenegro, or federal republic, leave a lobby as it was called back. then i also would like to remind her to remind you that actually the recommend everybody. there is a wonderful book and a movie. it is golden german eddie. see that adopt look was back. and it is about cooper waking up in 2014 in the middle of berlin and film. some is brilliant, but what he wanted, what it's he says that he doesn't like the a of the he does like the neo nazis. he's 0 amateur is the only party that you respect are the greens i i thought that the all of the robbing you solving him. it
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was. so now when we hear of a little better saying that we are in war now that the greens are actually the greatest advocates of coal mining, they forgot about glass on all the agenda for 2 years ago. we can see why the older of the film really had this in mind. well, it, it's, it's very interesting because it's the most hypocritical party in the world, maybe right after the democratic party in the united states here. but i mean, after, after decades of anti war, i remembered in the 1980s, i mean now with their signatures bidding. okay. and, and then once i go into power, there, a whole green agenda seems to go to the wayside here. it's really quite remarkable, gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on germany state with r t the ah,
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ah. in 1884. the german empire began its colonial invasion into namibia from the very start. berlin encouraged the white colonists to settle in south west africa and take away the best land from the local drives. the germans were actively draining natural resources and using the local population as a cheap labor source. this was causing major protests and led to a rebellion. in 19 o 4, the hero and nama tribes rebelled against german colonial rule. kaiser wilhelm the 2nd was fully determined and ordered to suppress the rebellion with the utmost severity against the inhabitants of nam may be
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a germany through is 15000 well equipped army. all around the country. concentration camps were built in humane medical experiments over citizens were conducted within the period of 4 years. the germans killed up to 60000 people, among which there were 80 percent of the hero tribe, and 50 percent of the nama tribe. the events in south west africa are called the 1st genocide of the 20th century, and not without reason are compared to the holocaust just 2 decades later after the massacre in namibia hitler's assault unit put on the same brown colonial uniform which push the world into the chasm of the 2nd world war ah, in 2022. the italian government approved a package of military any to ukraine coordination. you like me to help you crated
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defend themselves and fight back about 150000000 euros. well, i make a week even i told me vaults are hearing all the same nato and the us with you and the one that people will die just for make money. the one that i have, i have been yes. wow, you must, who got soon every few gone through or not, you are complete. i mean there's water damage you thought you've called when you only jump it on to get i will put them in as well. the other more saw me my short bizarre tool or a for orfa exec leila lesson opinion polls show that over 70 percent of italians are against military support for ukraine. landed in confront with the date for that last or we flap don't a level yet. li got it more on a skid out and blissful men do not she them to talk to you about the daily dazzling
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lucille my last lot a lot you there because he has been a fool he's and we're not returning fund theda the layout. ah, welcome back to crossed up where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real lives with right, let's go back to my trail, matthew, where is the issue of sovereignty here because, you know, will lead a better boss. the 3rd time she's been mentioned in our gathering here. mean, she seems to be the perfect creature of washington. i mean, she's famously said just recently, she doesn't care what her voters think about, you know, ukraine. she's got to decide herself here. i mean, obviously the social democrats, the united states,
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been anglo powers of never like social democrats in, in germany. they don't like us polity. but emily to bear boss is the perfect trojan horse for them. ok. and remarkably, she's in the green party here. and she seems very comfortable of having sovereign choices where a country made by others, your thoughts? yes, i think the, the croatian president, need a very strong said i, i heard very announcing that we're all at ward or that germany wants to go towards russia. well, good luck on that. it didn't look good the 1st time around. i hope it works out better, but it doesn't look good. and i think that overall, what is happening, if anything, on a positive side is that the population is being pushed to the brink. right? now where we need more of an activist, poppy lation, and more of an activist participation or intervention within the business and military community of people who, who recognize that they're about to not only repeat history but now with nuclear weapons packed into the formula. so we have people like sarah wagner act,
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we've been doing some very interesting things and attracting a lot of support from both the right and the left alike. people who would normally never get together and have any common agreements on any single points but are but are in a chord that there isn't no voice. it is a vacuum of, of leadership calling for peace and she's doing it and call calling for potentially setting up a new party around this idea as well. so for the delay, good party has been the only one to speak up against this war policy. but i think that this quality of, of having a disdain for populism makes bareback really a gym, a wet dream of a gym, for technocratic managers who love to have the little detached in compassion, free puppets who are so ideologically committed to a certain world view that they can't seen, don't care about the pain that they're doing to real people. you're bringing up a really good point there. let me go to run back to ralph here. urea,
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you're in germany. you're in munich. we hear the german chancellor talking about a form of bree militarization, but his government keeps going over its own red lines, obviously in service of london in washington here. but i mean, this re militarism with young german people want to go into the a new better mark. i mean, it is that does that exist because one of the things, a speech that the champs are made recently, which got almost no coverage at all. but you know, expanding nature of the, to the life with mal dover in armenia. presumably though it would be the troops because the friends don't want to get in the military. the italians doubt the germans, delta spaniards though the portuguese dealt but maybe we can get these mild opens to do. it bores very much like ukraine is taken on the market position. as you know, we're going to die for nato. ok, i mean i, you know, i can hear the rhetoric and i see the pressure from washington. but i mean,
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are there going to be hundreds of thousands of young german men and women that want to join the military? though? definitely not. and i must say it also would be absolutely illegal to, to do so. i mean, we have article 26 of our basic law, which is the poster 945 constitution that prohibits us to, to go into any war and to, to participate. and any a war without defending own territory or nature territory. but of course, you mentioned that we have nato expand again into territories that far beyond that. and of course you would press and who would go there and actually fight fight for, for the course. but i don't see in germany any mood to go to war. i mean, does well do opinion polls always say 46 to 42 percent in favor or not in favor
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of sending some arms or helmets to your great know the tanks. it's already 48 percent, was saying no to that. so we are getting closer and closer. the probably even more people would say when the comes to fighter jets steps. the next step of escalation that probably 6070 percent will immediately say no. they would refute that. at the moment, it's not a talk with what route. i mean the tell me and my guess and my audience here, this public opinion count in germany. no, it doesn't really. and that's the problem. that's why i'm banging on it turned out to speeches that i'm giving here in germany. and i draw more and more support as, as it was just said that sarah barton connect. she's also doing that. you know, we are the new piece movement now, and we attract more and more people from the center of politics and rather not only do using fringes of the far left and, and to far right. no,
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it is coming to the normal people in the streets who say, no, we don't want to have and it works especially not with russia because i mean, people know what it would mean and we, we don't want that. and i said recently in the speech i said, trans flush all shows them in front of us and tell us about the consequences of what he's doing there. and if he's been carried again over a red tape that the mainstream media put there out for him to to say yes to fighter jets. he should explain to us that yes, this could mean also bumping of parts of germany. and that is the result that we don't want to see. yeah. how can i made the stephen? you know what we go, what all the way back to january of last year? the, do you have any idea that we'd be talking about this, you know, 1011 months later talking about, you know, a people preparing for the possibility of accomplish a, a nato, russia conflict. did that ever enter your mind 11 months ago?
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actually, it kind of did, i might have shebra ever since 2014, if not even ever since 2008 offered to doors in conflict. we've been, we've seen this poker game while the west is constantly raising the stakes while russia falling. maybe this is actually quite risky from the russian side because it was never proactive. it was actually even february 22. although this might sound crazy, was a reaction because there was a build up in the eastern ukraine. there was a gratian prime minister on the blank, which was many times that they want to share their experience. all basically, it's about spelling serbs from today's grace from from republic subscribing up. in $95.00, it was repeatedly sad and they were giving practical knowledge to ukrainians. how to do that with dom bus. and once russia, i mean russia bad at
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b r blood spaces was russia made the move into the in, in february, then all hell broke out as if this came out of nowhere. really but going back to germany, i think that now was going to washington are trying to compensate some of the foreign policy. they're trying to give germany some kind of a small reward. and this is the, the german behavior, the germ of demo frank behavior in the balkans. now, fred ross in germany came with the so called black for gospel, which basically says the serbia should recognize the legal sessional goal. so i'm at the, and, or by the way, say, you know, no, do it's closest ally at the security council, which is russia by imposing sanctions against russia. so again, germany is used as a tool not of its own foreign policy, but of american foreign policy. while it's supposed to think that it is proactive
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in the balkans, if it is not proactive in, in, in the east while it is possibly being bullied natalie by washington in london, but also by 7 war. so, and even the baltic states. so this is really a very sorry scenario in which made so let's face it landed in washington, our re occupying europe, and not only was through europe or because western europe is doing this. reluctantly, i'm talking about barrison and berlin, while eastern euros like move walkers are going into into the fire. when the new axis is washington, london, want your. it's that they get it's, it's a washington london. warsaw, kia, that's it here. matthew b, me the. i find it so disappointing, but i fully expected it is that we have these leads and this is obviously, you know, the agenda has, it doesn't have popular deep popular support. but they're,
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they're looking at big 3 defeat, they're looking at as a binary. and i want to go back to something that, that ralph was saying, but they don't want piece, see, they want a military outcome. but if you were approach it discursive, lee in a very, how did the, how can we get peace then that goes back to what the russians proposed december 2021 is saying, we need a new european security architecture. and that is, i have very bad german for bowden. go ahead, man. i absolutely. and we that, that is absolutely what is needed in a it is, in my mind, in my mind, it kindles the memory of the recall of hordes that were nic, negotiated by walter, wrapped up and how a 922 after world war 2, in response to the impossibility of paying the draconian or the be impossible oversight, debt repayments and happened how had very good relations with a network of diplomats within russia. the newly formed bolshevik russia that
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recognized, okay, we all lead industrialization. we only growth of development need when, when the language of the text is very strong, you are the american present at the time of an enemy of the league of nations with sabotaging that 1st attempt at a one world government. warren harding, who later died of oysters, also making short to, to settle bilateral treaties with russia, with russia, with germany, with austria. so you had a whole network of pro industrialist pro nationalist leaders century ago. recent resisting this idea of a great reset of world civilization around this whole, you know, london centered league of nations operation, which were, i mean, i see a lot of parallels to what's being done today. and i think that, and it told me the point that the real issue at stake right now is the fight over the multi polar system, which is coming online very quickly in germany being one of the only by or one of the most by able units in europe that has a productive middle shot and a capacity to contribute actual works of productivity construction,
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bridge building between east and west and north. how that goes back to the german question here. ralph are almost out of time, is the adage, keep the russians out. the germans down and the americans in this is that, is that the modus operandi. 20 or 15 seconds. go ahead. now i do believe that, and you saw that with the bombing of the pipeline that they can dictate to us how did one that i was into chancellor's office a week before the bombing of the pipeline said, please sign the monitoring agreement. if you don't do it, i do it, he didn't do it and then they bombed it. so someone must have run up washington and say we got a problem here and we have to get rid of that. that's the way it goes. and the, and the rest is history, but of course it's one of those things that we will never know because the people in power don't want any of us to know as all the time we have. i want to thank my guest, montreal, music and, and bell later when like our viewers for watching us here. darky. see you next time? remember possibles ah
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